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    #4772
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,027 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    cajonlardo wrote: »
    When I provide my services I get a written agreement from my client engaging me to complete a task. This agreement is the contract and if my client fails to pay the bill is pursued by legal means. Now if I waltz up to a persons home and connect a gadget and then start billing them they would rightly tell me to get lost.

    Irish Water know this. You know this. Unless that agreement is signed there is no contract. I do believe they can legally reduce pressure. That is grand. Most of us have that part figured out.

    What contract did you sign for your current supply of water?


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    #4773
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    DamagedTrax wrote: »
    since im ex-directory i wont be paying. grand so.

    If your details are nowhere to be found publicly you may get away with it too.
    cajonlardo wrote: »
    When I provide my services I get a written agreement from my client engaging me to complete a task. This agreement is the contract and if my client fails to pay the bill is pursued by legal means. Now if I waltz up to a persons home and connect a gadget and then start billing them they would rightly tell me to get lost.

    Irish Water know this. You know this. Unless that agreement is signed there is no contract. I do believe they can legally reduce pressure. That is grand. Most of us have that part figured out.

    The legislation has replaced the requirement for a written contract. Do you sign a contract before using the M50? Do you agree a payment plan before the fire brigade come to put a fire out in your home? There are plenty of cases where a contract is not required for a debt to be incurred.
    wendell borton wrote: »
    It looks like the water charges will be a big election issue. When you see protest parties losing out to anti charges candidates, the future of labour looks bleak.

    I have to disagree. I think the government have been very cunning. They will have two budgets to win back the electorate. I expect they'll start by targeting the pensioners and public sector workers with benefits and tax cuts respectively this year. Next years budgets will likely bring increases in social welfare schemes too. The water charges will give them more money to play with. If it were simply down to budgets I think they could survive the next election.

    Unfortunately for them, their ministers have a habit of doing and saying stupid things so they probably won't get back in.


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    #4774
    cajonlardo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭cajonlardo


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    What contract did you sign for your current supply of water?
    A ballot paper in a local election

    Any chance you could address my concerns with you misrepresentations post #4758?


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    #4775
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,942 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    How should I know? Budget is in 2 daThe legislation allows for Irish Water to do it. No contracts necessary. The legislation also allows for an occupier, not a home owner, to be held responsible so anyone at the home can be billed. You can get that info in a phone book.

    So they can summons an 18 year old and clog up the courts and then he gets off because the house is not his and pleads ignorance about who actually owns it. Brilliant. :pac:


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    #4776
    DamagedTrax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    If your details are nowhere to be found publicly you may get away with it too.

    other than my PPS (which they arent getting) i havent been in the system at my current address (11 years). no bank accounts, no personal debt, no phone contracts, no gas/esb bill.

    infact thinking about it now, i havent had correspondence addressed to me that wasnt business/personal in a long long time.

    maybe i will get overlooked. i havent received any sign up pack yet and our apartment block isnt being metered.

    be interesting to see what happens.


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    #4777
    Grandpa Hassan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭Grandpa Hassan


    My name is URL wrote: »
    News of the protest is one of the top submissions on Reddit right now. Actually higher than the story about the nurse with Ebola in Texas :pac:

    http://www.reddit.com/

    I would be surprised if the international reaction isn't along the lines of "what....the Irish don't pay for water?". Much the same response as we might have toward the retirement age in France when the French electorate were up in arms about raising it, and it made international news. "What....the French retire at 62. Ridiculous"


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    #4778
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    My name is URL wrote: »
    News of the protest is one of the top submissions on Reddit right now. Actually higher than the story about the nurse with Ebola in Texas :pac:

    http://www.reddit.com/

    Not much support for the cause.
    tayto lover wrote: »
    So they can summons an 18 year old and clog up the courts and then he gets off because the house is not his and pleads ignorance about who actually owns it. Brilliant. :pac:

    He won't get off. The legislation is clear. he is an occupier and just as liable as any other person in the house.
    DamagedTrax wrote: »
    other than my PPS (which they arent getting) i havent been in the system at my current address (11 years). no bank accounts, no personal debt, no phone contracts, no gas/esb bill.

    infact thinking about it now, i havent had correspondence addressed to me that wasnt business/personal in a long long time.

    maybe i will get overlooked. i havent received any sign up pack yet and our apartment block isnt being metered.

    be interesting to see what happens.

    You could be one of those few people that have no public record. But how hard do you really think it would be to get your name?


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    #4779
    cajonlardo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭cajonlardo


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    The legislation has replaced the requirement for a written contract. Do you sign a contract before using the M50? Do you agree a payment plan before the fire brigade come to put a fire out in your home? There are plenty of cases where a contract is not required for a debt to be incurred.

    Did the road authourity connect a toll road directly to my garden and demand I pay in order to leave my property ? If they did do you honestly expect anyone to believe that would be enforceable?

    Fire Brigade charges are agreed and recorded on the call and there is ample number of times it has failed to be enforced.

    Again, you lot pulling "facts" out of thin air


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    #4780
    SMJSF
    Registered Users Posts: 600 ✭✭✭SMJSF


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1012/651801-water-charges/

    RTE - Water charges are here to stay


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    #4781
    hawkelady
    Registered Users Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    They're flags that have been used by the IRA. Any sane person should avoid them like the plague but these people are consciously choosing to identify themselves with militant republicans.

    I find it nauseating that I have to respond to you again but your comment irks me .. The Provos also use the tri-colour too .. Should we "avoid" our national flag ??


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    #4782
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Not much support for the cause.

    What.. apart from the 95% of people that upvoted the story, and the most upvoted comment in the thread that commends protesters

    Seems to be plenty of international support there.


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    #4783
    DamagedTrax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    You could be one of those few people that have no public record. But how hard do you really think it would be to get your name?

    i dunno, im not purposely off the grid so im not too concerned. its just how things worked out for me.

    but the fact i havent gotten the sign up letter yet is strange.

    i also mentioned earlier in the thread about our water set up here. the mains doesnt split until after the pump room (we dont use a gravity system). any means they have of 'trickling' the supply has to be after our pump, which makes it restricted private property, which is either A. not going to happen or B. very easily remedied.

    like i said, it'll be interesting to see how they play it.


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    #4784
    DamagedTrax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    SMJSF wrote: »
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1012/651801-water-charges/

    RTE - Water charges are here to stay

    doesnt mean much coming from a condemned party.


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    #4785
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    cajonlardo wrote: »
    Did the road authourity connect a toll road directly to my garden and demand I pay in order to leave my property ? If they did do you honestly expect anyone to believe that would be enforceable?

    Fire Brigade charges are agreed and recorded on the call and there is ample number of times it has failed to be enforced.

    Again, you lot pulling "facts" out of thin air

    You are off on an ark there. I've just shown you examples of where you can be liable to a debt without a contract and you've just thrown out some random crap to avoid it. Like I said, a signed contract isn't needed, the legislation overrules that requirement. So unless the legislation is successfully challenged in the Supreme Court then that argument is pointless.

    And where do you get the notion that the fire brigade only caome out if you agree a price? That's preposterous. Even if someone else calls them you can still be liable to the charges.


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    #4786
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    SMJSF wrote: »
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1012/651801-water-charges/

    RTE - Water charges are here to stay

    I loled.

    Labour TD says water charges here to stay
    Water charges say Labour TD's are not here to stay.


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    #4787
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    My name is URL wrote: »
    What.. apart from the 95% of people that upvoted the story, and the most upvoted comment in the thread that commends protesters

    Seems to be plenty of international support there.

    Upvoting the story does not indicate people agree with the protestors, it means they found the story interesting. It's not a "like" system. And I'm not sure what top comments you are reading but most of them show no support or condemnation. There's one or two that do but then they are countered by equally popular rebuttals.


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    #4788
    dragoneye
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭dragoneye


    Got my meter installed last Thursday the 2nd - done a reading today & the reading was 151 - this seems very low can anyone tell me if it is


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    #4789
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,942 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    He won't get off. The legislation is clear. he is an occupier and just as liable as any other person in the house.

    So they will jail a student with no income ha ha.


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    #4790
    SaveOurLyric
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭SaveOurLyric


    Given that the water charge system will be implemented as planned, the government will continue to govern as democratically elected needing to take no notice of crowd marches or rallys, are such protests and marches simply a release valve for the cranks of society ?
    Lulled into the illusion that the government might be influenced by them, and a feel-good happy-clappy group chant of a crowd of similarly minded people who are 'at least doing something', are protest marches just a modern day bread and circuses to keep the rabble happy ?


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    #4791
    donegaLroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    Bambi wrote: »
    I think they were from donegal, which would explain a lot :pac:

    Im from Donegal and I think that was a moronic thing to put on a poster.. so don't tar me with the same brush, please and thanks.


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    #4792
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    tayto lover wrote: »
    He won't get off. The legislation is clear. he is an occupier and just as liable as any other person in the house.

    So they will jail a student with no income ha ha.

    Well that rapist can't be allowed to hog that prison cell forever......... time to pop a student in and give old Rapey McRape Pants parole.


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    #4793
    Vinnie L
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭Vinnie L


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    How should I know? Budget is in 2 days.

    It's your claim, as I suspected, and like your other claims, you can't back it up either
    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    The poster asked why consultants where hired instead of idle public sector workers. My point is that different jobs require different qualifications and skills. You can't just swap people around and expect them to do a new job. The government was planning for a new national water infrastrucure. It makes sense to hire people with knowledge that would add to it.

    What knowlege and skills did they have that was not already available in the public service ?

    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Don't see that happening. There's certainly nothing to indicate it.

    You've never heard of Eircon then, or did you think people have forgotten about that fiasco ?
    So why create a company instead of a seperate department ?
    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    The money you pay goes towards repairs. The repairs reduce the leaks which, in turn, reduces the cost of pumping water to your house. Lower costs generally lead to lower prices.

    So your claiming that water prices will actually fall when we start paying for water, what are you basing this on ? Even Fiasco Phil didn't try that yarn.
    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Companies like Eircom, Bord Gais and ESB? Or do you mean the companies that run the motorways?

    Eircom is a private company and Bord Gais is on its way, with a substanital amout of it already in foreign hands. So why was that model chosen ?


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    #4794
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    tayto lover wrote: »
    He won't get off. The legislation is clear. he is an occupier and just as liable as any other person in the house.

    So they will jail a student with no income ha ha.

    Probably not. Probably just make a judgement against him and wreck his credit, assuming he is left out to dry by the others in the house. Where exactly do you see the comedy? What is it about what I've said that you think I'm misinterpreting about the law?


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    #4795
    titchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭titchy


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    Even if it was 100k then that is still only 2% of the population. Last time I checked that's a fairly tiny minority

    A lot of towns held their own protests for people who were unable to make it to Dublin...from what I've seen there was a fairly decent turnout for these splinter protests also.


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    #4796
    0byme75341jo28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭0byme75341jo28


    I really worry about the intelligence of the people who think water actually comes straight from rivers.

    I've heard people say "Sure it rains here all the time", and they weren't being sarcastic.


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    #4797
    0byme75341jo28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭0byme75341jo28


    SaveOurLyric wrote: »
    Given that the water charge system will be implemented as planned, the government will continue to govern as democratically elected needing to take no notice of crowd marches or rallys, are such protests and marches simply a release valve for the cranks of society ?
    Lulled into the illusion that the government might be influenced by them, and a feel-good happy-clappy group chant of a crowd of similarly minded people who are 'at least doing something', are protest marches just a modern day bread and circuses to keep the rabble happy ?

    What a horribly cynical way of looking at protests.


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    #4798
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,942 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Probably not. Probably just make a judgement against him and wreck his credit, assuming he is left out to dry by the others in the house. Where exactly do you see the comedy? What is it about what I've said that you think I'm misinterpreting about the law?

    It's funny because it simply won't work. They will not even go the route of taking people to court for not paying because the outcry would have serious repercussions for them.
    It's unworkable.


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    #4799
    UCDVet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    It seems to me, the protests are too late. At this point, I can't imagine Irish Water not going ahead. Protests back when people were first floating the idea might have been more effective.


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    #4800
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,942 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Macie Polite Ostrich wrote: »
    What a horribly cynical way of looking at protests.

    Shows how worried they actually are.


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    #4801
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Vinnie L wrote: »
    It's your claim, as I suspected, and like your other claims, you can't back it up either

    It's my expectation and it's backed up by as much as yours.
    Vinnie L wrote: »
    What knowlege and skills did they have that was not already available in the public service ?

    I presume it's knowledge of the systems being used in setting up the company. Things like IT systems.
    Vinnie L wrote: »
    You've never heard of Eircon then, or did you think people have forgotten about that fiasco ?
    So why create a company instead of a seperate department ?

    I think they've learned from it. There are a number of reasons for setting up a company. I'd imagine one of the main ones is to prevent the government being held liable for suits against IW.
    Vinnie L wrote: »
    So your claiming that water prices will actually fall when we start paying for water, what are you basing this on ? Even Fiasco Phil didn't try that yarn.

    I expect costs will fall and this will likely lead to a drop in prices.
    Vinnie L wrote: »
    Eircom is a private company and Bord Gais is on its way, with a substanital amout of it already in foreign hands.

    You seem to be arguing different points on privatisation.


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