***ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER CHARGE RELATED POST HERE***

Sweet Rose

Xenji wrote: »

IW have rented a room off us for 1 year, it costs 400 Euro a week for the room and in the 3 months so far they have rented it, it has been used twice, it is stuff like this that irks me more about IW and just shows where some peoples money will be going.

That could be an extra nurse or teacher or Guard's pay for a week. Farcical. If the Irish government could actually budget properly, we wouldn't have to make so many cuts.

Iwasfrozen

MichaelBaler wrote: »

I believe the government plans to privatise the water as soon as it has spent enough of our money (taxpayers) to make it a profitable business, just like they did with post & telegraph now known as /On Post & Eircom . Don't let them! If they spent the money on the existing water service instead of paying for Board Gas to set up this new water company who have been spending millions of our €s creating this fiasco. DO YOU KNOW THAT THEY ARE PAYING HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY TO GAS COMPANY EMPLOYEES. THIS IS DISTURBANCE MONEY FOR SWITCHING FROM GAS TO WATER without even moving office.

What's wrong with privatizing Irish Water? A private company will have the capital to upgrade our infrastructure.

listermint

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

What's wrong with privatizing Irish Water? A private company will have the capital to upgrade our infrastructure.

That capital will be paid for hand over hand with Your Taxes prior to sale. It wont be sold until they have a peach of a deal ready for investors.

Ridiculous stuff altogether.

dxhound2005

Sweet Rose wrote: »

That could be an extra nurse or teacher or Guard's pay for a week. Farcical. If the Irish government could actual budget properly, we wouldn't have to make so many cuts.

They have been round my way this last while, just finishing up now. No so called protestors and they were able to get the job done in peace and from what I can see very efficiently. That extra Guard wouldn't be much use if he had to be deployed for days to protect them if some of the local hoodlums came in here pretending to be on a campaign on behalf of the working class.

smash

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

What's wrong with privatizing Irish Water? A private company will have the capital to upgrade our infrastructure.

500m is more than enough capital to upgrade the infrastructure but instead of doing that, IW are getting it for free just to set up the company. Don't forget, we own the existing infrastructure, the population of Ireland already paid for it and now it's just been given to someone else so we'll have to pay again and again.

Iwasfrozen

listermint wrote: »

That capital will be paid for hand over hand with Your Taxes prior to sale. It wont be sold until they have a peach of a deal ready for investors.

Ridiculous stuff altogether.

Ireland's water infrastructure is a disgrace. A private company wouldn't get away with that and would actually have the capital needed to upgrade our infrastructure the government lacks.

BoJack Horseman

listermint wrote: »

Germany can take its share of it back. What have we received from Europe the last 6 years bar 'No' 'No'


Do you think that is correct that a country of this size has 43% of Europes debt burden despite the fact alot of the debt originated outside these borders ?

Is that correct?

No, of course it isn't right..... But it happened.

I wouldn't have allowed Ireland to get into the situation of having a €13/€14 primary deficit by pandering to every lefty whim.

Then Europe would have had no leverage over me to take on the bank debt.

People forget the quid pro quo situation that FF's union & social partner pandering got us into.

Iwasfrozen

smash wrote: »

500m is more than enough capital to upgrade the infrastructure but instead of doing that, IW are getting it for free just to set up the company. Don't forget, we own the existing infrastructure, the population of Ireland already paid for it and now it's just been given to someone else so we'll have to pay again and again.

500m is enough to upgrade our infrastructure? Do you have a source on that? I'm not doubting you it just seems very small.

IW is not a private company. If the government sells it off the private company will obviously have to pay.

cletus van damme

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

People forget the quid pro quo situation that FF's union & social partner pandering got us into.

you are right for sure but it's only one part of the problem.

But in the absence of bank debt we could have managed our state finances a hell of a lot better and probably on our own without going cap in hand to europe/trokia.
Not saying cuts or tax raises weren't necessary but we'd have a better chance without the bank debt,

The bank debt put us so far down the ****ter we were at the mercy of others .

tayto lover

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I realise that I am powerless and the money will never come back. I just take some small comfort from the fact that the freeloaders are now being stuck for a bit as well. No accountant that I know of can make the property tax disappear for the well heeled.

The protesters on Sat were made up of people just like you DX. Workers and families who are fed up of the unfairness of it all but prepared to express their anger. These protests will get bigger too.

dxhound2005

tayto lover wrote: »

The protesters on Sat were made up of people just like you DX. Workers and families who are fed up of the unfairness of it all but prepared to express their anger. These protests will get bigger too.

And the other side of the coin will still be out stopping other workers going about their jobs. Directed by groups who take every opportunity to create mayhem. I don't want anything to do with it.

Iwasfrozen

cletus van damme wrote: »

you are right for sure but it's only one part of the problem.

But in the absence of bank debt we could have managed our state finances a hell of a lot better and probably on our own without going cap in hand to europe/trokia.
Not saying no cuts or tax raises were necessary but we'd have a better chance without the bank debt,

The bank debt put is so far down the ****ter we were at the mercy of others .

The bank guarantee was a disaster. I don't think anyone would disagree with that statement but there's not really anything we can do about it now.

listermint

dxhound2005 wrote: »

And the other side of the coin will still be out stopping other workers going about their jobs. Directed by groups who take every opportunity to create mayhem. I don't want anything to do with it.

You keep rolling this line out, but those other workers you are so keen on standing firm by and letting them have peaceful installations are on Zero Hour Contracts and below Irish Wage. They are Sub Contractors of Sub Contractors. but you are happy to have Irish Water rip them off also.

Bit of an antithesis to your perceived solidarity to these 'working men' ain't it ?

smash

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

500m is enough to upgrade our infrastructure? Do you have a source on that? I'm not doubting you it just seems very small.

IW is not a private company. If the government sells it off the private company will obviously have to pay.

Well it's enough to fix the leaks which will save more water than any water charges will.

have a look here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92421185&postcount=2167

VinLieger

tayto lover wrote: »

The protesters on Sat were made up of people just like you DX. Workers and families who are fed up of the unfairness of it all but prepared to express their anger. These protests will get bigger too.

Yeah no they won't especially with the budget tomorrow and the one next year things will ease off, also more and more jobs being created every day.

BoJack Horseman

cletus van damme wrote: »

But in the absence of bank debt we could have managed our state finances a hell of a lot better and probably on our own without going cap in hand to europe/trokia.
Not saying no cuts or tax raises were necessary but we'd have a better chance without the bank debt,

The bank debt put is so far down the ****ter we were at the mercy of others .

True, but one came before the other.

Ireland faced imminent default & a severe run on the banks.

FF's vast overspend & revenue collapse necessitated the bailout.
The French, German & even US finance heads held our imminent default over us to ldverage us also taking on the unnecessary Anglo debt.

To our ruination.

Tight fisical control would have left Ireland in a position to tell the EU & Tim Geitner to get stuffed.

listermint

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The bank guarantee was a disaster. I don't think anyone would disagree with that statement but there's not really anything we can do about it now.

So what do we do, roll over and keep paying for it over and over? with no discussion or negotiation. The only reason we havent had any form or notion of a deal to date is because we are rolling over and over.

We have to do something.

mikom

VinLieger wrote: »

things will ease off, also more and more jobbridges being created every day.

Fixed your post

listermint

VinLieger wrote: »

Yeah no they won't especially with the budget tomorrow and the one next year things will ease off, also more and more jobs being created every day.

Im sure you said the same thing last week. 10,000 people sure thats nothing..... Well you were proved incorrect.


This is a movement of anger in the country. And the anger is at Labour and Fine Gael.

Whats funny is that they could have rolled these charges out no problems if they just engaged properly at the start and avoided all the same croynisitic mistakes. Non of it is rocket science. Just do the opposite of what bertie would have done. And people will get on with it.


How stupid can you be.


Joan Burton i mean talk about loading the gun to be shot with.

mickydoomsux

listermint wrote: »

You keep rolling this line out, but those other workers you are so keen on standing firm by and letting them have peaceful installations are on Zero Hour Contracts and below Irish Wage. They are Sub Contractors of Sub Contractors. but you are happy to have Irish Water rip them off also.

Bit of an antithesis to your perceived solidarity to these 'working men' ain't it ?

All that is utter bull****.

I know this because my brother in law works for them. He left another job to go work for Irish Water because it paid significantly more.

Iwasfrozen

smash wrote: »

Well it's enough to fix the leaks which will save more water than any water charges will.

have a look here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92421185&postcount=2167

Right, but you've made two claims that from what I can see that video doesn't address.

Claim 1: That 500m is enough to upgrade our entire water infrastructure.

Claim 2: That spending 500m to upgrade our infrastructure (full or partial) will save more water than metering will.

Iwasfrozen

listermint wrote: »

So what do we do, roll over and keep paying for it over and over? with no discussion or negotiation. The only reason we havent had any form or notion of a deal to date is because we are rolling over and over.

We have to do something.

The time for negotiation and discussion is gone, the guarantee was made and we are subsequently in debt.

If you have a plan to reduce our debt I'm all ears.

listermint

mickydoomsux wrote: »

All that is utter bull****.

I know this because my brother in law works for them. He left another job to go work for Irish Water because it paid significantly more.

Where does he work ? Management or on the ground installing the actual meters. What division ?

listermint

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The time for negotiation and discussion is gone, the guarantee was made and we are subsequently in debt.

If you have a plan to reduce our debt I'm all ears.

Re-negotiate the debt burden, It is not sustainable however long its put on the long finger

munchkin_utd

listermint wrote: »

Where does he work ? Management or on the ground installing the actual meters. What division ?

next you'll be asking for his pps number.......

mikom

listermint wrote: »

Where does he work ? Management or on the ground installing the actual meters. What division ?

Forum & Social media infiltration division.

Iwasfrozen

listermint wrote: »

Re-negotiate the debt burden, It is not sustainable however long its put on the long finger

To re-negotiate debt you need both sides to be willing.

You think the coalition haven't thought of that? You don't think they'd love to re-negotiate?

mickydoomsux

listermint wrote: »

Where does he work ? Management or on the ground installing the actual meters. What division ?

He's on the ground in the south of the country.

They are well paid for what they are doing (labouring basically) because the company acknowledges that they'll get hassle.

BoJack Horseman

listermint wrote: »

Re-negotiate the debt burden, It is not sustainable however long its put on the long finger

That has happened already with the Anglo debt & will happen with the IMF portion of the bail out.

As to write down?
The gov were already told 'No'..... So aside from Socialist party default nonsense, what's done is done.

Caliden

The government knows they ****ed up with the water charges and are now trying to sweeten the deal with the charge being tax deductible.

Attempting to appease the masses with what can only be likened to a bribe.