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    #482
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    geeksauce wrote: »
    Eh no if you don't pay they will disconnect/restrict your water. That is how they will get people to cough up when the bills arrive.
    Extortion:
    the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority.


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    #483
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    mad m wrote: »
    So what will happen if you don't fill out firm and return it? Or fill out form without PPS number and return it. Very confusing.

    A stranger dressed in black will come to your house 72 hours later and kill you.


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    #484
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    stevedublin wrote: »
    Extortion:
    the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority.

    I'm very comfortable with them extorting money from the freeloaders.


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    #485
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    What is very confusing?
    Its quite clear from mad m's post:
    Figuring out the consequences of not returning the form, or not including your PPS number when returning the form.


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    #486
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,554 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    stevedublin wrote: »
    Extortion:
    the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority.

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/freeloading

    free·load (frld)
    intr.v. free·load·ed, free·load·ing, free·loads Slang
    To take advantage of the charity, generosity, or hospitality of others.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freeload

    free·load verb \-ˌlōd\
    : to get or ask for things (such as food, money, or a place to live) from people without paying for them


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    #487
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    stevedublin wrote: »
    Its quite clear from mad m's post:
    Figuring out the consequences of not returning the form, or not including your PPS number when returning the form.

    Not clear at all. There is no confusion about the consequences in those circumstances. Anyone can look them up online if they don't know. Not knowing is not the same as being confused.


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    #488
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    food, money, or a place to live
    water is not one of these and cutting off supply is a breach of UN Resolution 64/292 of which Ireland is party to.


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    #489
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Not clear at all. There is no confusion about the consequences in those circumstances. Anyone can look them up online if they don't know. Not knowing is not the same as being confused.

    Thanks that clears things up.... not!


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    #490
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,554 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    stevedublin wrote: »
    water is not one of these and cutting off supply is a breach of UN Resolution 64/292 of which Ireland is party to.

    Show me where it says IW will cut off your water supply if you don't pay please. And those were EXAMPLES of freeloading, not the whole list :rolleyes:


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    #491
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Show me where it says IW will cut off your water supply if you don't pay please. And those were EXAMPLES of freeloading, not the whole list :rolleyes:

    so are you saying that if I don't pay my water bills, my water does not get cut off?


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    #492
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,554 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    stevedublin wrote: »
    so are you saying that if I don't pay my water bills, my water does not get cut off?

    Of course it doesn't get cut off, as you have rightly pointed out that would be against the law. Good luck taking a shower or a bath but you will still have water.


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    #493
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Not clear at all. There is no confusion about the consequences in those circumstances. Anyone can look them up online if they don't know. Not knowing is not the same as being confused.
    Thanks, I've looked up online for the consequences of not supplying my PPS number and found nothing.
    I know now what the consequence of not giving Irish Water my PPS number is.


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    #494
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    stevedublin wrote: »
    Thanks, I've looked up online for the consequences of not supplying my PPS number and found nothing.
    I know now what the consequence of not giving Irish Water my PPS number is.

    The most confusing thing to me is why someone asks what would happen if they did not give all the information requested on a form. If you did not give your date of birth on a passport application form it would be returned for the missing details. Some things in life are confusing but not in this case, just fill in the form in full and you won't be left wondering what will happen if you only fill in part of it.


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    #495
    VONSHIRACH
    Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭VONSHIRACH


    If people were just permitted to state on a paper or online form the number of people in a household, it would be open to abuse, with some people overstating the number of occupants to get more free allowances. At least with the PPS numbers, there is certainty.


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    #496
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    The most confusing thing to me is why someone asks what would happen if they did not give all the information requested on a form. If you did not give your date of birth on a passport application form it would be returned for the missing details. Some things in life are confusing but not in this case, just fill in the form in full and you won't be left wondering what will happen if you only fill in part of it.

    Naw, I won't be filling out the form.


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    #497
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    mad m wrote: »
    So what will happen if you don't fill out firm and return it? Or fill out form without PPS number and return it. Very confusing.

    This is what happens if you don't return the form. .


    What happens if you don’t apply?

    If you don’t contact us or we don’t receive an application online, by telephone or by post from you, your bills will based on the details we have about your household. If you have an Irish Water installed water meter, we will charge you for water services based on water meter readings. If you do not have an Irish Water installed water meter, we will charge you based on the information available to us in accordance with the approved water charges plan.

    Additionally, if you do not apply, you will not receive any water services allowances.

    Do fill in the PPS number on the form if you decide to return it. That will avoid any "confusion".


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    #498
    geeksauce
    Closed Accounts Posts: 826 ✭✭✭geeksauce


    VONSHIRACH wrote: »
    If people were just permitted to state on a paper or online form the number of people in a household, it would be open to abuse, with some people overstating the number of occupants to get more free allowances. At least with the PPS numbers, there is certainty.

    That concept is clearly lost on some here though.


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    #499
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    stevedublin wrote: »
    Naw, I won't be filling out the form.

    I'm confused.


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    #500
    mad m
    Registered Users Posts: 9,004 ✭✭✭mad m


    I suppose it's like AIB there not so long ago, sending out a letter requesting that I validate who I am, if it did not happen it may affect my account, or that was the point being put forward by the banks.

    I didn't return anything and my account still hasn't been affected.....

    Very confusing.....


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    #501
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    mad m wrote: »
    I suppose it's like AIB there not so long ago, sending out a letter requesting that I validate who I am, if it did not happen it may affect my account, or that was the point being put forward by the banks.

    I didn't return anything and my account still hasn't been affected.....

    Very confusing.....

    They said May and not Will. Clever.


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    #502
    mad m
    Registered Users Posts: 9,004 ✭✭✭mad m


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    They said May and not Will. Clever.

    Tis....fecking banks.


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    #503
    geeksauce
    Closed Accounts Posts: 826 ✭✭✭geeksauce


    mad m wrote: »
    I suppose it's like AIB there not so long ago, sending out a letter requesting that I validate who I am, if it did not happen it may affect my account, or that was the point being put forward by the banks.

    I didn't return anything and my account still hasn't been affected.....

    Very confusing.....

    Sure don't return the form if you don't want to, its not that difficult.


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    #504
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    stevedublin wrote: »
    water is not one of these and cutting off supply is a breach of UN Resolution 64/292 of which Ireland is party to.


    3% of household income is ok by them
    • Affordable. Water, and water facilities and services, must be affordable for all. The United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) suggests that water costs should not exceed 3 per cent of household income.


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    #505
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Wailin wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity, why are you pro water charges? Are you actually naive enough to think it will improve water quality? It's just another tax that the government can raise at budgets and make normal living for a high percentage of people in this country extremely unbearable. Were you pro property tax too?

    Firstly, I am not naïve. I also never mentioned improving water quality. I am old enough to remember paying by domestic rates and doing away with them was the worst mistake a government could make. I believe we need to pay for water. In also think a property tax is no bad idea either. I know you won't agree but taxes in this country have fallen too low over all for a state our size. Do you recall the taxes of the 1980s?
    As for making life unbearable for a high percentage of people. A percentage perhaps but not a high percentage. Or what do you consider high? I have no difficulty paying, from my pension, for these things and neither does anybody else I have spoken to about it. I know the mindset is lost on most younger people but many of us agree with paying our way.

    That's me done. I just wanted to express my personal view rather than debate my naivety or otherwise with you.


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    #506
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I'm confused.
    Whats confusing you now?
    Its quite simple, I won't be filling out any forms or paying any bill from Irish Water.


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    #507
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,554 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    stevedublin wrote: »
    Whats confusing you now?
    Its quite simple, I won't be filling out any forms or paying any bill from Irish Water.

    ;)


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    #508
    geeksauce
    Closed Accounts Posts: 826 ✭✭✭geeksauce


    stevedublin wrote: »
    Whats confusing you now?
    Its quite simple, I won't be filling out any forms or paying any bill from Irish Water.

    What are you going to do for water then?


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    #509
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    stevedublin wrote: »
    Whats confusing you now?
    Its quite simple, I won't be filling out any forms or paying any bill from Irish Water.


    Ahh yes, I seem to remember similar sentiments being expressed in the Household Charge thread - how'd that work out for you?:pac:

    Unfortunatley there's always been a minority who are willing to parasite off the rest of society - or at least willing to claim they will.

    But the loopholes get closed fairly quick and such individuals have always been quick to crumble.


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    #510
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    geeksauce wrote: »
    What are you going to do for water then?

    turn on the tap, Timberrr said I will still have water
    :)


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    #511
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,554 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    stevedublin wrote: »
    turn on the tap, Timberrr said I will still have water
    :)

    You will, a trickle of water. 10 minutes to fill a kettle, Forget bath/shower.


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