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    #542
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Made me honestly lol :D

    The only person lol'ing from all this is Denis O'Brien, enjoy paying your water charge, I won't be.


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    #543
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,554 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    stevedublin wrote: »
    The only person lol'ing from all this is Denis O'Brien, enjoy paying your water charge, I won't be.

    Of course you won't ....... for now ;)


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    #544
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Of course you won't ....... for now ;)

    But this potentially applies to 75% of homeowners.

    Not a great incentive for the 25% metered to give their details, not much deterrent for non metered from not paying.

    Someone, somewhere jumped the gun on the roll out of water charges. I'm 75% certain of it in fact.


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    #545
    Ogham
    Registered Users Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Ogham


    stevedublin wrote: »
    The only person lol'ing from all this is Denis O'Brien, enjoy paying your water charge, I won't be.

    What has DOB got to do with water charges. (apart from part share in a company that is installing some of the meters) I'm sure some people have somehow decided that he owns Irish Water.


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    #546
    S.O
    Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭S.O


    They want people to willingly give them their PPS numbers and yet at the same time they are being investigated for possible data breaches.


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    #547
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    S.O wrote: »
    They want people to willingly give them their PPS numbers and yet at the same time they are being investigated for possible data breaches.

    Laughable

    Excellent pr work though in fairness.


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    #548
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Banjo String wrote: »
    But this potentially applies to 75% of homeowners.

    Not a great incentive for the 25% metered to give their details, not much deterrent for non metered from not paying.

    Someone, somewhere jumped the gun on the roll out of water charges. I'm 75% certain of it in fact.

    You are forgetting the sheeple factor. The Revolutionary Socialist Communist Workers Marxist party are trying to organise private home owners into a revolt. But private property owners have an interest in seeing the capitalist system continue and in the main are a law abiding group. 80% or more pay the TV licence and nobody can cut off their TV. Unlike the TV licence the water bill will have to be paid in full including arrears at some stage.


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    #549
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    I'm easy to please. As long as Denis gives me a reacharound I'll be happy.


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    #550
    Ogham
    Registered Users Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Ogham


    Banjo String wrote: »

    There's a 75% chance he isn't metered. How will they restrict his pressure.
    .

    There is no need to have a meter before the supply can be restricted. It just needs a special flow restricting valve fitting to the supply . Yes it will require an Irish Water engineer to call out and fit it - but they will probably add the bill for that onto the debt as well as the removal of it if payment is made.

    They will bill everyone they have names and addresses for - ( which they are getting mainly from LP)
    If they have recieved no "application" form the bill will not include the free allowances. For non metered homes the occupancy will be assumed to be 2 adults - so that will be €424 without the allowance.

    They will try and contact non payers and agree payment plans etc - but after 2 failures to make plans or stick to plan - they will instigate flow reduction procedures. The proposal is - that after no reponse to minimum of 2 letters and at least 2 other methods of contact - they will restrict flow.

    It's interesting to see that flow restriction is not allowed in the UK . Only action there is court.


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    #551
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    Ogham wrote: »
    There is no need to have a meter before the supply can be restricted. It just needs a special flow restricting valve fitting to the supply . Yes it will require an Irish Water engineer to call out and fit it - but they will probably add the bill for that onto the debt as well as the removal of it if payment is made.

    They will bill everyone they have names and addresses for - ( which they are getting mainly from LP)
    If they have recieved no "application" form the bill will not include the free allowances. For non metered homes the occupancy will be assumed to be 2 adults - so that will be €424 without the allowance.

    They will try and contact non payers and agree payment plans etc - but after 2 failures to make plans or stick to plan - they will instigate flow reduction procedures. The proposal is - that after no reponse to minimum of 2 letters and at least 2 other methods of contact - they will restrict flow.

    It's interesting to see that flow restriction is not allowed in the UK . Only action there is court.

    In summary, a private company is allowed to hold law-abiding, taxpaying citizens to ransom.
    Thanks IMF and the other clowns who got us into this mess.


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    #552
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,554 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    stevedublin wrote: »
    In summary, a private company is allowed to hold law-abiding, taxpaying citizens to ransom.
    Thanks IMF and the other clowns who got us into this mess.

    How are you being held to ransom?


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    #553
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    How are you being held to ransom?

    see Ogham's post that I quoted


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    #554
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,554 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    stevedublin wrote: »
    see Ogham's post that I quoted

    I read his posf

    I'm asking you how YOU will be held to ransom?


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    #555
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I read his posf

    I'm asking you how YOU will be held to ransom?

    They will bill everyone they have names and addresses for - ( which they are getting mainly from LP)
    If they have recieved no "application" form the bill will not include the free allowances. For non metered homes the occupancy will be assumed to be 2 adults - so that will be €424 without the allowance.

    They will try and contact non payers and agree payment plans etc - but after 2 failures to make plans or stick to plan - they will instigate flow reduction procedures. The proposal is - that after no reponse to minimum of 2 letters and at least 2 other methods of contact - they will restrict flow.



    Happy now?


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    #556
    Moocifer
    Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭Moocifer


    Be very careful of giving your ppsn to Irish Water in the 2nd paragraph of their very on data protection policy they state that they may give your details to a third party outside the EU.

    I'm no expert on data protection laws but I do know that once it leaves the EU it's subject to the laws of the country it's in. No matter what Irish Water say they will have no control over it.

    I can think of a lot of countries that don't even have a human right policy let alone a data protection one so I'm not happy about this

    https://www.water.ie/data-protection-notice/


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    #557
    paddyirish23
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭paddyirish23


    I wouldn't have a problem paying for this if
    The allowances were fair. -They're not
    If we weren't already paying for this charge through general taxation.
    They scrap the usc and just take the lpt and water charges off us based on usage is only fair way I'd agree but shovelling millions into a company that was never really needed in the first place shows this Country will never learn no matter who's in government!!

    I just received my letter into the family home from irish water really don't know if I should send it back or bend over and take it seeing as everyone else seems to be doing

    Any ideas??


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    #558
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,554 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    stevedublin wrote: »
    They will bill everyone they have names and addresses for - ( which they are getting mainly from LP)
    If they have recieved no "application" form the bill will not include the free allowances. For non metered homes the occupancy will be assumed to be 2 adults - so that will be €424 without the allowance.

    They will try and contact non payers and agree payment plans etc - but after 2 failures to make plans or stick to plan - they will instigate flow reduction procedures. The proposal is - that after no reponse to minimum of 2 letters and at least 2 other methods of contact - they will restrict flow.



    Happy now?

    Yeah

    Congratulations you have yet again quoted someone else even when i have said i read that post. I'll ask again, how will they be "holding YOU to ransom"?


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    #559
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Yeah

    Congratulations you have yet again quoted someone else even when i have said i read that post. I'll ask again, how will they be "holding YOU to ransom"?

    same as they will be holding everyone else to ransom.


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    #560
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    stevedublin wrote: »
    They will bill everyone they have names and addresses for - ( which they are getting mainly from LP)
    If they have recieved no "application" form the bill will not include the free allowances. For non metered homes the occupancy will be assumed to be 2 adults - so that will be €424 without the allowance.

    They will try and contact non payers and agree payment plans etc - but after 2 failures to make plans or stick to plan - they will instigate flow reduction procedures. The proposal is - that after no reponse to minimum of 2 letters and at least 2 other methods of contact - they will restrict flow.



    Happy now?

    You mean you won't be able to parasite off the rest of us?

    Jaysus, that's a disgrace Joe.


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    #561
    S.O
    Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭S.O


    Ogham wrote: »
    There is no need to have a meter before the supply can be restricted. It just needs a special flow restricting valve fitting to the supply . Yes it will require an Irish Water engineer to call out and fit it - but they will probably add the bill for that onto the debt as well as the removal of it if payment is made.

    They will bill everyone they have names and addresses for - ( which they are getting mainly from LP)
    If they have recieved no "application" form the bill will not include the free allowances. For non metered homes the occupancy will be assumed to be 2 adults - so that will be €424 without the allowance.

    They will try and contact non payers and agree payment plans etc - but after 2 failures to make plans or stick to plan - they will instigate flow reduction procedures. The proposal is - that after no reponse to minimum of 2 letters and at least 2 other methods of contact - they will restrict flow.

    It's interesting to see that flow restriction is not allowed in the UK . Only action there is court.

    Some people seem to think that they will have an easy time restricting water supplies that residents will just sit back and do nothing , the trouble they re having now installing water meters in various estates around the country is a walk in the park compared to what they will face when they try to reduce peoples water + plus those that do try to fit any restricting device will be photographed and named and shamed on social media, during the Dublin anti water charges campaign in the mid 90s only a small per % were disconnected at the time and anyone that had their water disconnected community/campaign volunteers reconnected them.


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    #562
    Ogham
    Registered Users Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Ogham


    stevedublin wrote: »
    In summary, a private company is allowed to hold law-abiding, taxpaying citizens to ransom.
    Thanks IMF and the other clowns who got us into this mess.

    Irish Water is owned by the state - it's not a private company in the way you think it is. See http://www.moneyguideireland.com/who-owns-irish-water.html

    But - there are private companies Bord Gais Energy (owned by Centrica) and Airtricity , Energia , Flogas who can disconnect gas/electricity for non payment of bills.
    At least water can't be disconnected.


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    #563
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Ogham wrote: »
    There is no need to have a meter before the supply can be restricted. It just needs a special flow restricting valve fitting to the supply . Yes it will require an Irish Water engineer to call out and fit it


    And in the cases of stop cocks being located inside the boundaries of a private residence, or an aparrtment , it will also require permission from the homeowner.

    Many, many homes don't even have a stop cock to restrict.
    Ogham wrote: »
    but they will probably add the bill for that onto the debt as well as the removal of it if payment is made.

    Debt you say? Where did I enter any agreement's with Irish water to pay any "debt" and with out a meter sure the assessed bill has literally been pulled out of their backsides.
    Ogham wrote: »
    They will bill everyone they have names and addresses for - ( which they are getting mainly from LP)
    If they have recieved no "application" form the bill will not include the free allowances. For non metered homes the occupancy will be assumed to be 2 adults - so that will be €424 without the allowance.

    They will try and contact non payers and agree payment plans etc - but after 2 failures to make plans or stick to plan - they will instigate flow reduction procedures. The proposal is - that after no reponse to minimum of 2 letters and at least 2 other methods of contact - they will restrict flow.

    All very kind of them, they prob will meet their fair share of resistance I'd imagine.
    Remember , no method open to them of deduction from source, tax clearance certs or audit threats.

    This will be a tougher battle than the HHC I reckon.
    Ogham wrote: »
    It's interesting to see that flow restriction is not allowed in the UK . Only action there is court.
    Those crazy Brits. I hear they spend a currency over there in the UK called sterling too.?

    Mad.


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    #564
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,554 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    stevedublin wrote: »
    same as they will be holding everyone else to ransom.

    Won't be holding me to.ransom so there goes your argument straight away. So how will they be holding YOU to ransom?


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    #565
    S.O
    Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭S.O


    Barely There wrote: »
    You mean you won't be able to parasite off the rest of us?

    Jaysus, that's a disgrace Joe.

    The only real parasites are those that work for Irish water , bonuses for bosses over 100.000, free yoga classed payed for by the taxpayer, 80+ million wasted on consultants and bills for everyone else to pay for all this.


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    #566
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,554 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    S.O wrote: »
    Some people seem to think that they will have an easy time restricting water supplies that residents will just sit back and do nothing , the trouble they re having now installing water meters in various estates around the country is a walk in the park compared to what they will face when they try to reduce peoples water + plus those that do try to fit any restricting device will be photographed and named and shamed on social media, during the Dublin anti water charges campaign in the mid 90s only a small per % were disconnected at the time and anyone that had their water disconnected community/campaign volunteers reconnected them.

    Your claims get wilder by the post, what next? Pitchforks and torches at midnight?


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    #567
    S.O
    Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭S.O


    Originally Posted by Ogham View Post
    There is no need to have a meter before the supply can be restricted. It just needs a special flow restricting valve fitting to the supply . Yes it will require an Irish Water engineer to call out and fit it

    The stopcock just happens to be in on my driveway, therefore inside the boundary of my private property, which they will not allowed access onto my private property.


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    #568
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    stevedublin wrote: »
    enjoy paying your water charge, I won't be.
    stevedublin wrote: »
    In summary, a private company is allowed to hold law-abiding, taxpaying citizens to ransom.

    Does not compute


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    #569
    S.O
    Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭S.O


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Won't be holding me to.ransom so there goes your argument straight away. So how will they be holding YOU to ransom?

    One of the water meter installers in Dublin ( Brian ) cut off water on 3 old residents ( who were reconnected by community activists ( for refusing a water meter, his face has already being shown and shamed on social media, the same fate awaits other scabs who try anything similar.


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    #570
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    S.O wrote: »
    The only real parasites are those that work for Irish water , bonuses for bosses over 100.000, free yogo classed payed for by the taxpayer, 80+ million wasted on consultants and bills for everyone else to pay for all this.

    yogo?

    Sounds painful.


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    #571
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Oscar Gateaux wrote: »
    Does not compute

    Is there now a law that requires a person to enter into a contract with a private, for profit, company?

    If so, let me know of it, I see great potential for my own business. I'd love to start sending out bills randomly to folk who never requested, nor signed up for my services.....

    Let me guess.... There isn't one? #sadface


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