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dxhound2005

adrian92 wrote: »

Perhaps I am wrong - but looks like IW bought meters from two suppliers, per their site; one of whom appears to be the missile manufacturer, Diehl.

Perhaps that is ok. Just would prefer, of we did not support an arms manufacturer ( maybe my unease with this has no foundation)

Perhaps maybe you sound a little unsure of yourself. Man up.

adrian92

DX. Yes, I think you are right.

I do not even know why I felt uneasy with our Government supporting an armanents industry - just to buy their very good meters

Little CuChulainn

gladrags wrote: »

Well?

gladrags wrote: »

No excuses...what is your PPS #

What is it you "cannot understand"

Your own generalisatons?

I'm not giving you my pps in the same way I'm not giving you my name. I've asked for an example where fraud can be committed using your pps in a way it cannot be with your name and address.

Barely There

adrian92 wrote: »

Perhaps I am wrong - but looks like IW bought meters from two suppliers, per their site; one of whom appears to be the missile manufacturer, Diehl.

Perhaps that is ok. Just would prefer, of we did not support an arms manufacturer ( maybe my unease with this has no foundation)

That's two 'perhaps', a 'just would prefer', an 'appears to be' and a 'maybe'.

This must be the most caveated post on Boards in years.

dxhound2005

adrian92 wrote: »

DX. Yes, I think you are right.

I do not even know why I felt uneasy with our Government supporting an armanents industry - just to buy their very good meters

I expect you will get over it. Most likely the computer you are using is made by a company that supplies them to countries which have armies. Dump it.

adrian92

Barely - just trying to be reasonable, you know. I acknowledge it may be my hang-up. The general population may have no difficulty with with a state body supporting the arms industry. I just was wondering what others thought?

gladrags

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I'm not giving you my pps in the same way I'm not giving you my name. I've asked for an example where fraud can be committed using your pps in a way it cannot be with your name and address.

I am giving you a plain and practical example.

Your refusal to give your PPS# is clear proof.

And you know it.

I notice also how you "mince" you'r words.

dxhound2005

gladrags wrote: »

I am giving you a plain and practical example.

Your refusal to give your PPS# is clear proof.

And you know it.

I notice also how you "mince" you'r words.

Are you looking for someone to post their PPSN here in the thread? Or do you want it by PM. I have often seen where people who post their phone numbers have them removed by our friendly mods. There are self proclaimed lawbreakers on this thread. Maybe that is a good reason not to encourage them into identity theft.

Phoebas

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So now it seems IW are saying they won't use PPS numbers to chase unpaid bills:



Now maybe it's just me, but they do seem increasingly desperate to try and convince us that signing up for this nonsense is nothing to worry about.

Have em on the run I reckon :P

They NEVER said they would be using PPS numbers to chase unpaid bills.
They were always very specific about the purpose of PPSNs.

Phoebas

Phoebas wrote: »

They NEVER said they would be using PPS numbers to chase unpaid bills.
They were always very specific about the purpose of PPSNs.

Aw, don't be bursting their bubble!

Little CuChulainn

gladrags wrote: »

I am giving you a plain and practical example.

Your refusal to give your PPS# is clear proof.

And you know it.

I notice also how you "mince" you'r words.

Proof of what? That I don't want you to have my identity? Sure it is. But it's not proof that a pps is more dangerous than a name and address, which is what is being claimed.

KERSPLAT!

I think there's a difference between giving your PPS to a semi state utility company with Data protection policies in place and a randomer on the internet, surely you can see that?

gladrags

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Are you looking for someone to post their PPSN here in the thread? Or do you want it by PM. I have often seen where people who post their phone numbers have them removed by our friendly mods. There are self proclaimed lawbreakers on this thread. Maybe that is a good reason not to encourage them into identity theft.

No

The point I am making is in relation to individual's attempting to assert there opinions,by making throwaway remarks.

Then asking all and sundry,to prove them wrong.

Little CuChulainn

gladrags wrote: »

No

The point I am making is in relation to individual's attempting to assert there opinions,by making throwaway remarks.

Then asking all and sundry,to prove them wrong.

I simply asked for an example of how a ppsn can be used in a way a name and address cannot, not proof.

Smidge

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I simply asked for an example of how a ppsn can be used in a way a name and address cannot, not proof.

And I gave you an example of how people with access can abuse their ability to access your information.
But you choose to gloss over my reply.

That speaks volumes.

gladrags

Quote : Little CuChulainn

"I' m not giving you my pps in the same way I'm not giving you my name. I've asked for an example where fraud can be committed using your pps in a way it cannot be with your name and address."

If you are in possession of another individual's PPS # with fraud in mind...I will leave it up to others to discern the possible outcomes.

Banjo String

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I just don't believe that someone having your pps will leave you any more open than them having your name. If you can show me otherwise then I'm all ears.

I wonder how many 'Paddy Murphy's' we have here in Ireland?
Now let's say, Paddy Murphy, Engineer at a Dublin manufacturing plant refuses to pay Irish Water.

Be very easy to forcibly take it from 'Paddy' if they had that unique identifier.

Phoebas wrote: »

They NEVER said they would be using PPS numbers to chase unpaid bills.
They were always very specific about the purpose of PPSNs.

The Govt NEVER said they would set up Irish Water with money raised from the LPT, they were always very specific that it would be 'ring fenced' for local services.


As Irish Water is the government's own created quango. I don't trust them now either.


Pity the fools who do tbh.

Sgt Hartman

The only ones that seem to approve of these water charges are the middle classes who can afford it and the "I'm all right Jack" brigade. It's mainly struggling working class people who are opposed to it. Also I hate the way the pro water charge brigade are tarring these people with the same brush as the sponging welfare classes who haven't a notion of working or paying for anything. "Working Class" and "welfare classes" are 2 separate entities.

Little CuChulainn

Smidge wrote: »

And I gave you an example of how people with access can abuse their ability to access your information.
But you choose to gloss over my reply.

That speaks volumes.

Which example was it?

gladrags wrote: »

Quote : Little CuChulainn

"I' m not giving you my pps in the same way I'm not giving you my name. I've asked for an example where fraud can be committed using your pps in a way it cannot be with your name and address."

If you are in possession of another individual's PPS # with fraud in mind...I will leave it up to others to discern the possible outcomes.

Just one example is all I'm asking.

Banjo String wrote: »

I wonder how many 'Paddy Murphy's' we have here in Ireland?
Now let's say, Paddy Murphy, Engineer at a Dublin manufacturing plant refuses to pay Irish Water.

Be very easy to forcibly take it from 'Paddy' if they had that unique identifier.

How? It gives them access to no information on him. They can;t use the ppsn to find him. His name and address is much more revealing, especially with the introduction of post codes around the corner.

Sgt Hartman wrote: »

The only ones that seem to approve of these water charges are the middle classes who can afford it and the "I'm all right Jack" brigade.

You mean the people who are paying the income tax which funds the current system?

dxhound2005

Sgt Hartman wrote: »

The only ones that seem to approve of these water charges are the middle classes who can afford it and the "I'm all right Jack" brigade. It's mainly struggling working class people who are opposed to it. Also I hate the way the pro water charge brigade are tarring these people with the same brush as the sponging welfare classes who haven't a notion of working or paying for anything. "Working Class" and "welfare classes" are 2 separate entities.

As a working person myself, the water charge and the property tax are the least of my concerns financially. Like hundreds of thousands of other workers I have been on a pay freeze since 2008 and suffered substantial pay cuts in 2010. There is no prospect that I can see of ever getting a pay rise again.

It is better from a taxation point of view, and taking the long view, that workers like me will not be the main source of money for every service under the sun. No other sane administration puts the burden for so much on the shoulders of workers. It is crazy that a one off election buying scheme from 1977 is being touted by socialists as the proper taxation model.

I won't finish up paying less income tax but I can at least know that those who avoid other taxes won't be able to avoid property tax and water charges. And NO I won't go marching on the street at the behest of trade unions jumping up and down about a few hundred Euro. When they have stood by and let the wages of workers be decimated and are still doing nothing to repair the damage.

gladrags

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

I think there's a difference between giving your PPS to a semi state utility company with Data protection policies in place and a randomer on the internet, surely you can see that?

Your name,address and D.O.B is common knowledge,like it or not.

You'r PPS number is not.

Read the thread.

masculinist

dxhound2005 wrote: »

In the words of the poet, you took your time getting here. It must be the guts of a week since I posted what you replied to there. I'm working on the assumption that you will be back.

Well I did notice you quoted me. You may work upon the assumption that I have always reserved the right to return. I will work on the assumption that you will ignore the popular and democratic will of the people and continue to court popularity with the IMF, Eurocrats, Irish Water vested interests etc. As I said I'm out but I do check who quotes me.

dxhound2005

masculinist wrote: »

Well I did notice you quoted me. You may work upon the assumption that I have always reserved the right to return. I will work on the assumption that you will ignore the popular and democratic will of the people and continue to court popularity with the IMF, Eurocrats, Irish Water vested interests etc. As I said I'm out but I do check who quotes me.

I don't mind if you stay away. You can make up your own version of democracy wherever else you hang out.

Banjo String

IHow? It gives them access to no information on him. They can;t use the ppsn to find him. His name and address is much more revealing, especially with the introduction of post codes around the corner.

Your PPS number basically ties you to anything even remotely financial.

Bank account
Loan applications
Its one of the first things an employer will ask for, for pay roll. (so employment)
Revenue dealings
Social Services /child benefit.
Pension

Etc etc.

AFAIK, you only ever get the one, and it can't be changed.

Very much unlike a job, or address, or even a name.

masculinist

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You can make up your own version of democracy wherever else you hang out.

Why would I want to do that ? I dont want to be like you.

dxhound2005

Banjo String wrote: »

Your PPS number basically ties you to anything even remotely financial.

Bank account
Loan applications
Its one of the first things an employer will ask for, for pay roll. (so employment)
Revenue dealings
Social Services /child benefit.
Pension

Etc etc.

AFAIK, you only ever get the one, and it can't be changed.

Very much unlike a job, or address, or even a name.

So now you think a bank will look for an account holder's PPSN? Not what you said last month.

Or, long story short, you don't need a pps no in order to open a bank account. It may be handier to give one, but it's not a necessity.

Little CuChulainn

Banjo String wrote: »

Your PPS number basically ties you to anything even remotely financial.

Bank account
Loan applications
Its one of the first things an employer will ask for, for pay roll. (so employment)
Revenue dealings
Social Services /child benefit.
Pension

Etc etc.

AFAIK, you only ever get the one, and it can't be changed.

Very much unlike a job, or address, or even a name.

It's the unique identifier but it does not give the holder access to any of that information. For your loan history, they would have to get access to bank files. Same goes for the rest. The identifier can only be used with the information the holder already has. It can't access the information you posted.

KERSPLAT!

gladrags wrote: »

Your name,address and D.O.B is common knowledge,like it or not.

You'r PPS number is not.

Read the thread.

Did you quote the wrong post, your reply has nothing to do with my post.

People are asking someone here to hand over their PPS as if it is the same as handing it over to IW. It is clearly not the same, IW is a semi state utility company with data protection policies, a randomer on the internet is just that, a randomer.

Banjo String

dxhound2005 wrote: »

So now you think a bank will look for an account holder's PPSN? Not what you said last month.

Or, long story short, you don't need a pps no in order to open a bank account. It may be handier to give one, but it's not a necessity.

I can't believe this. You're actually quoting me, where I didn't say any such thing.

I never said a bank wouldn't ask for your PPS number, I pointed out where it out necessary to give one, but it would be handier to get the account open with it.

It's right there in that post you quoted tbh. (you been on the Erdingers tonight DX?)

dxhound2005

Banjo String wrote: »

I can't believe this. You're actually quoting me, where I didn't say any such thing.

I never said a bank wouldn't ask for your PPS number, I pointed out where it out necessary to give one, but it would be handier to get the account open with it.

It's right there in that post you quoted tbh. (you been on the Erdingers tonight DX?)

Strictly tap water for me. Try that less handy routine with a bank sometime and let me know how you get on.