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    #6542
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,867 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    Political suicide Enda you silly, silly man.

    Enda doesn't give a toss - he has been a TD since 1975 and the way things are going he probably won't bother to even contest GE 2016 himself.

    He'll either ride off into the sunset with multiple pensions like his predecessor - free to fulfil a retirement plan of well-paid lobbying or dinner speaking, or he'll be rewarded by our "friends" in Europe with a top job there.

    He won't be losing any sleep over what this mess (the hallmark of his government really - limping from one scandal or botch-job to another) will be doing for his re-election chances. FFS they've even made FF a viable contender again!

    He'll rightly be remembered as one of the worst "leaders" we've ever had IMO - a man who achieved nothing of note at home, was led around by the nose by his EU "betters", and who managed to be even WORSE than the 2 before him!)


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    #6543
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Reminds me of Custer's Last Stand on this thread this evening.


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    #6544
    gladrags
    Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Never said it wasn't a bad mistake. But it's one that was rectified very quickly. What data breaches would ye like examples of? Banks, Government departments, Utilities, Mobile networks, Credit Card companies, shops, online services? There all available fairly easily on google. Seemed for a while that laptops and memory keys full of customer information were going missing very regularly.

    So does this mean some,as opposed to every?


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    #6545
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    "earth shattering announcement about Irish water" to be made later.

    http://m.independent.ie/videos/irish-news/video-protesters-gathered-outside-irish-water-offices-on-talbot-street-30681983.html


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    #6546
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    gladrags wrote: »
    So does this mean some,as opposed to every?

    I would not believe that there is a company or business out there that hasn't had some sort of data breach, if not through poor technology then by loose lipped employees.


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    #6547
    Chance The Fapper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Chance The Fapper


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    I would not believe that there is a company or business out there that hasn't had some sort of data breach, if not through poor technology then by loose lipped employees.

    Get real


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    #6548
    goz83
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭goz83


    gladrags wrote: »
    So does this mean some,as opposed to every?

    Well spotted.

    The dangers of sweeping statements/exaggerstions on boards will get ya roasted!

    For the record: none of my companies have ever breached data protection. Only public bodies and banks seem to be able to get away with such breaches, unscathed.


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    #6549
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Chance The Fapper wrote: »
    Get real

    Cool. Ok.


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    #6550
    EazyD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭EazyD


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    I would not believe that there is a company or business out there that hasn't had some sort of data breach, if not through poor technology then by loose lipped employees.

    There are severe penalties in place for a reason. Funny then that IW have got that many passes in their cock-ups thus far.


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    #6551
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    goz83 wrote: »
    Well spotted.

    The dangers of sweeping statements/exaggerstions on boards will get ya roasted!

    For the record: none of my companies have ever breached data protection. Only public bodies and banks seem to be able to get away with such breaches, unscathed.

    Like Sega? 1.3 million accounts compromised. Maybe Ebay, gmail or mastercard are more your thing. Eircom, Bord Gais, Centra, Unislim, ESB, Paddy Power if you want to go Irish. The list goes on. You're a fool if you think you are 100% secure.


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    #6552
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Like Sega? 1.3 million accounts compromised. Maybe Ebay, gmail or mastercard are more your thing. Eircom, Bord Gais, Centra, Unislim, ESB, Paddy Power if you want to go Irish. The list goes on. You're a fool if you think you are 100% secure.

    And which of the above are you required by law, to trust your details with


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    #6553
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    hju6 wrote: »
    And which of the above are you required by law, to trust your details with

    Are you required by law to give it to IW? That's a new claim.


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    #6554
    Chance The Fapper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Chance The Fapper


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Are you required by law to give it to IW? That's a new claim.

    They were hacked , they didn't print, envelope and post the details out. Completely different situation


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    #6555
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Are you required by law to give it to IW? That's a new claim.

    Didn't you say on thread earlier that you hoped anyone that gave false information on their application packs would be "prosecuted"

    So while not being obliged by law to engage with them, those choosing to, we're legally compelled not to give false info.
    Spoiled? It's not a vote system. If it's not readable or incomplete they'll just throw it out. If it contains false information then they'll hopefully be following up with prosecutions.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92698988&postcount=6406


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    #6556
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Chance The Fapper wrote: »
    They were hacked , they didn't print, envelope and post the details out. Completely different situation

    Cool. Well here's some more to keep you going.

    https://www.dataprotection.ie/ViewDoc.asp?fn=%2Fdocuments%2Fcasestudies%2FCategoryCS.htm&CatID=10&m=c#Security-of-Data

    According to this article hacks comes behind negligent employees which account for over one third of breaches.


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    #6557
    Chance The Fapper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Chance The Fapper


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Cool. Well here's some more to keep you going.

    https://www.dataprotection.ie/ViewDoc.asp?fn=%2Fdocuments%2Fcasestudies%2FCategoryCS.htm&CatID=10&m=c#Security-of-Data

    According to this article hacks comes behind negligent employees which account for over one third of breaches.

    Mainly rogue ex employees, and hacking. Shouldn't you get back to work? Lots of applications to go through...


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    #6558
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Cool. Well here's some more to keep you going.

    https://www.dataprotection.ie/ViewDoc.asp?fn=%2Fdocuments%2Fcasestudies%2FCategoryCS.htm&CatID=10&m=c#Security-of-Data

    According to this article hacks comes behind negligent employees which account for over one third of breaches.

    Negligent employees on guaranteed bonuses

    It gets better, keep digging


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    #6559
    EazyD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭EazyD


    hju6 wrote: »
    Negligent employees on guaranteed bonuses

    It gets better, keep digging

    I'd dig for a bonus. Especially considering I can be an incompetent fool and still get it. Cha-Ching!


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    #6560
    keith16
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    Whatever the current line of discussion in this thread is, it should be clear to all exactly how much of a shambolic, incompetent organisation Irish Water is.

    Thread poll needs updating. It's no longer a question of being opposed to charges.

    It's a question of being opposed to a culture copy and pasted from the very worst practice's of public service in Ireland.

    Practices we were assured were a thing of the past.


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    #6561
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Chance The Fapper wrote: »
    Mainly rogue ex employees, and hacking. Shouldn't you get back to work? Lots of applications to go through...

    Pathetic attempt to end a discussion by accusing me of being a shill. If that's all you have to counter my post I suggest you go back to sleep.
    hju6 wrote: »
    Negligent employees on guaranteed bonuses

    It gets better, keep digging

    I've presented evidence that data breaches have been reported by companies both large and small, public and private, via hacking, negligence and intent in Ireland and all across the world just as I was asked to. Any time I counter a post you ignore it and try a new tactic. Have you given up on claiming people are required by law to provide details to IW in the last few posts?

    There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of IW. Let's not pretend the breach of 10 peoples information to their landlord is some major incident that should shut them down.


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    #6562
    mynameismud
    Registered Users Posts: 45 ✭mynameismud


    Satriale wrote: »
    The clock is definitely ticking for Tierney now, Enda is expressing full confidence in him.


    I hope he stays,IW will definitely fail with him in charge.


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    #6563
    Irish Aris
    Registered Users Posts: 5,069 ✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Pathetic attempt to end a discussion by accusing me of being a shill. If that's all you have to counter my post I suggest you go back to sleep.



    I've presented evidence that data breaches have been reported by companies both large and small, public and private, via hacking, negligence and intent in Ireland and all across the world just as I was asked to. Any time I counter a post you ignore it and try a new tactic. Have you given up on claiming people are required by law to provide details to IW in the last few posts?

    There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of IW. Let's not pretend the breach of 10 peoples information to their landlord is some major incident that should shut them down.

    I wouldn't talk about shutting them down, but for me it is a major incident, and I would be very reluctant to give them any such information. Difference of opinion I guess.

    Anyway, obviously your first few comments around data breaches were a generalization. There are companies that never had data breaches, because they have controls in place.


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    #6564
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Irish Aris wrote: »
    I wouldn't talk about shutting them down, but for me it is a major incident, and I would be very reluctant to give them any such information. Difference of opinion I guess.

    Anyway, obviously your first few comments around data breaches were a generalization. There are companies that never had data breaches, because they have controls in place.

    If they haven't detected any breaches then they may be lucky not to have any. But it's not down to control. Even the best controlled data is vulnerable to breaches caused by malicious action or human error.


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    #6565
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Delaying the inevitable imo.

    In fact I hope the mass demonstration and protest is delayed by a month to coincide with it.
    HOMEOWNERS are set to be granted a one month reprieve on their water bills, it was confirmed today.

    The Commission for Energy Regulation (CER) has said that the troubled quango is seeking a month extension to the deadline for registration by households.

    This will have a knock-on effect on the date set for the first bills to be sent out.

    The news means that householders look set to pay their first water charges at the end of January and not January 1, as previously planned.

    Such a move will give families a one month reprieve after the costly Christmas period.

    Commissioner Paul McGowan told the Oireachtas Environment Committtee today that Irish Water has formally sought a 30 day extension on the previously October 31 deadline for registration.

    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/homeowners-to-be-granted-one-month-reprieve-as-water-bills-delayed-30682001.html

    They're just drawing it out at this point/ awaiting further instructions from their German betters.


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    #6566
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    It will take more than a month to sort that mess out :eek:


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    #6567
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Something worth taking note of here.

    If this was an "error" by IW who were all of the pps numbers ONLY sent to lan Lords? ???
    An error would be maybe sent to someone of the same name as you etc.
    But ALL 10 went to their LL's???

    Stinks to high heaven and certainly gives credence to not having any thing to do with this pack of swindlers.


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    #6568
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Smidge wrote: »
    Something worth taking note of here.

    If this was an "error" by IW who were all of the pps numbers ONLY sent to lan Lords? ???
    An error would be maybe sent to someone of the same name as you etc.
    But ALL 10 went to their LL's???

    Stinks to high heaven and certainly gives credence to not having any thing to do with this pack of swindlers.

    Where they be addressed to the landlords by name or just by address?

    If we want to talk IW data concerns, I would be interested to know why packs are going to peoples parents addresses instead of their own home. Where are they getting this information from?


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    #6569
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Irish water clamping down on bonuses it seems.......... https://scontent-a-mad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/64730_648223571957995_7291810422989003257_n.jpg?oh=5bd2617ec25c34b55292373065328fc9&oe=54EC508D


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    #6570
    Satriale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Satriale


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Delaying the inevitable imo.

    In fact I hope the mass demonstration and protest is delayed by a month to coincide with it.



    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/homeowners-to-be-granted-one-month-reprieve-as-water-bills-delayed-30682001.html

    They're just drawing it out at this point/ awaiting further instructions from their German betters.


    Jaysus, i love it, the longer they drag it out the better. It's fierce entertainment.


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    #6571
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Satriale wrote: »
    Jaysus, i love it, the longer they drag it out the better. It's fierce entertainment.

    Giving the protester's next week something further to protest about. :D

    Not one fcuking iota.


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