***ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER CHARGE RELATED POST HERE***

SaveOurLyric

In Lonesome Dove wrote: »

My sister was telling me that a water meter can cause a fire. It could start at the meter and travel along your pipes and into your foundation. Is that true? Scary sh1t.

There have been tests done and it can happen.
Note that if it does, you are liable for the fee of €1840 for IW to come and replace it in addition to whatever other damage it may have done to your property, AND for 'any water leaking from the system between the time of the fire and a shutdown or repair of the meter by an authorised Irish Water agent'.

gladrags

Rosa Hot Lumberman wrote: »

Who comes up with this sort of nonsense?

His sister

Going Forward

gladrags wrote: »

His sister

His sister's "friend".:rolleyes:

Bongalongherb

Look..., there's no point in folk getting upset over this water-tax/charge Quango, what folks need to do is an informational non-Quango tutorial on how to sort this unfortunate situation out. And the below video maybe ? could suffice ?...

On the protests, the machine gun will be you physically. When the protester speaks, that will be your bullets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rjX7vDfYz0

Reading about the water protests, I've come to the conclusion that the only people being fooled are those who turn out to these protests. They are pawns in the Anti Austerity Alliance/Socialists game of getting into Dail Eireann. They (AAA) don't care how they do it. The protesters abuse and heckle honest decent workers, who are just doing their jobs. Then, along come the politicians for the photo oportunity and pat them on the heads and say "Thanks Lads", avoiding the more thuggish ones. These politicians know that the water charges are here to stay. Otherwise, why are they offering to restore water to those whose supply has been reduced to a trickle? That's not going to happen for years yet. The first bills haven't been sent out yet. The AAA use the larger organised protest marches to recruit to their ranks. It's a game to them to kick the sitting Government in the butt, no matter who that make up that Government.
All politicians play these games. Enda Kenny is as guilty in his disgraceful dealings with Mairie Cahill. His only interest in her is to get one over SF.

dharma200

soe everyone who is against the water charges is a 'Pawn" without a brain cell, waiting to be recruited into the cult of AAA...
get a grip.

dharma200

dharma200 wrote: »

soe everyone who is against the water charges is a 'Pawn" without a brain cell, waiting to be recruited into the cult of AAA...
get a grip.

No, just those who are allowing themselves be used.

dharma200

Deleted User wrote: »

No, just those who are allowing themselves be used.

What you are saying is those protesting against water charges are pawns for the AAA... can I ask specifically which ones? All of them? Which ones are being used, an dhow are they being used?
Are you saying people should not protest incase they are allowing themselves to be used as pawns?
If people do not protest are thy then pawns for Irish water?
It seems you are alluding to the fact that protesters are in some way not able to use their brains to protest against something without being used by AAA?
How does one allow oneself to be used by AAA?

arse..biscuits

Deleted User wrote: »

Reading about the water protests, I've come to the conclusion that the only people being fooled are those who turn out to these protests. They are pawns in the Anti Austerity Alliance/Socialists game of getting into Dail Eireann. They (AAA) don't care how they do it. The protesters abuse and heckle honest decent workers, who are just doing their jobs. Then, along come the politicians for the photo oportunity and pat them on the heads and say "Thanks Lads", avoiding the more thuggish ones. These politicians know that the water charges are here to stay. Otherwise, why are they offering to restore water to those whose supply has been reduced to a trickle? That's not going to happen for years yet. The first bills haven't been sent out yet. The AAA use the larger organised protest marches to recruit to their ranks. It's a game to them to kick the sitting Government in the butt, no matter who that make up that Government.
All politicians play these games. Enda Kenny is as guilty in his disgraceful dealings with Mairie Cahill. His only interest in her is to get one over SF.

Clap clap clap

Banjo String

First they were dole scrounging thugs.
Then they were freemen.
Then they were dissident republicans.
Now they are pawns being used by the AAA.

 The protesters abuse and heckle honest decent workers, who are just doing their jobs.

I didn't see any meter installation teams at any of the protest marches (perhaps they were there, protesting?)

Quite a lazy generalisation above.

The truth is, the protester's are honest, hard working people, many who have no political allegiance whatsoever.

Thousands upon thousands on the streets all over the country yesterday, not so much as a word out of place.

The Govt are worried, the people have risen.

Banjo String

Banjo String wrote: »

First they were dole scrounging thugs.
Then they were freemen.
Then they were dissident republicans.
Now they are pawns being used by the AAA.
I didn't see any meter installation teams at any of the protest marches (perhaps they were there, protesting?)

Quite a lazy generalisation above.

Thousands upon thousands on the streets all over the country yesterday, not so much as a word out of place.

The Govt are worried, the people have risen.

Why would they be worried? 750,000 households have registered their details!

dharma200

Deleted User wrote: »

If tenants refuse to pay, they'll be at the loss of their deposit and find themselves homeless.

Just wondering again do you have a source for this swell.. you seem to know an awful lot about the ins and outs, a lot more than us mere pawns

Banjo String

Deleted User wrote: »

Why would they be worried? 750,000 households have registered their details!

Sure they have.

You keep telling your self that one Maryanne.

The deadline for registration has been pushed back TWICE.

John Tierney publishes figures claiming 747k have 'returned their forms' lol.........

John Tierneys like John Denver tbh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV3E5e7fZ6M

dharma200

dharma200 wrote: »

Just wondering again do you have a source for this swell.. you seem to know an awful lot about the ins and outs, a lot more than us mere pawns

What swell?
I was lead astray on that piece of info, I'm afraid. Won't let it happen again.

Larbre34

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why would they be worried? 750,000 households have registered their details!

they absolutely have not. That number is the number of responses, and includes people with iindependent wells and septic tanks who are telling Irish water that they have no need to hear from then again. It also includes the number of 'return to senders' and go **** yourself responses. They wont be in any hurry to tell you how many completed forms and household PPS numbers they received, because its going so badly.

Larbre34

Larbre34 wrote: »

they absolutely have not. That number is the number of responses, and includes people with iindependent wells and septic tanks who are telling Irish water that they have no need to hear from then again. It also includes the number of 'return to senders' and go **** yourself responses. They wont be in any hurry to tell you how many completed forms and household PPS numbers they received, because its going so badly.

750,000 have REGISTERED their DETAILS with Irish Water. Not returned letters without details, REGISTERED, mostly online. This figure is on par with Household Charge at the same stage, which also got an extension for registering.

Banjo String

Deleted User wrote: »

750,000 have REGISTERED their DETAILS with Irish Water. Not returned letters without details, REGISTERED, mostly online. This figure is on par with Household Charge at the same stage, which also got an extension for registering.

Irish Water Managing Director John Tierney said 747,000 householders had so far responded to the campaign.  

Very, very carefully worded John.

http://m.rte.ie/news/2014/1024/654562-water-charges/

shinzon

Makes me laugh because you know what will happen to all the self righteous people who are so desperate to pay the water charges if IW and the charges go away nothing the silence will be deafening

cant see them out protesting for the immediate reinstatement of everything water charge related.

So lets just get real about the whole thing here, pro water people are happy to bitch and moan and besmirch all the protestors but would be just as happy if they won and IW was no more

Shin

Banjo String

Banjo String wrote: »

Very, very carefully worded John.

http://m.rte.ie/news/2014/1024/654562-water-charges/

Irish Water said that “over 747,000 householders have responded” to the registration campaign.
Asked if this meant that 747,000 people had signed up for the charges, an Irish Water spokeswoman said the majority of that number had “validated” their accounts.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/irish-water-sign-up-period-extended-for-a-month-1.1975786

Banjo String

Deleted User wrote: »

Irish Water said that “over 747,000 householders have responded” to the registration campaign.
Asked if this meant that 747,000 people had signed up for the charges, an Irish Water spokeswoman said the majority of that number had “validated” their accounts.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/irish-water-sign-up-period-extended-for-a-month-1.1975786

Majority of 747,000..... 373,501.......

Tierney would obviously have no reason on this godly earth to lie......

ROCKMAN

Deleted User wrote: »

750,000 have REGISTERED their DETAILS with Irish Water. Not returned letters without details, REGISTERED, mostly online. This figure is on par with Household Charge at the same stage, which also got an extension for registering.

Whats that ? something like 50% of households ..its all about the play on words and which side you're on ..

Anti-Water can use the same figures to get their message across..

A MASSIVE 50% SAY NO....750,000 HOUSEHOLDS HAVE NOT REGISTERED...

Personally I think 50% non- payment is a total disaster for Enda and Irish Water..but then again I could be just a AAA pawn

DrumSteve

Deleted User wrote: »

Irish Water said that “over 747,000 householders have responded” to the registration campaign.
Asked if this meant that 747,000 people had signed up for the charges, an Irish Water spokeswoman said the majority of that number had “validated” their accounts.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/irish-water-sign-up-period-extended-for-a-month-1.1975786

So, not 747k then.

Going Forward

Deleted User wrote: »

Why would they be worried? 750,000 households have registered their details!

Untrue.

This figure relates to responses and queries received, as in:

"By the end of the week, it is expected that 750,000 responses under the registration process will have been received by Irish Water and the vast majority of these will be registering customers."

The figure comprises phone, post, email and social media queries made to Irish Water, and not registrations

http://www.merrionstreet.ie/index.php/2014/10/minister-kelly-pmb-speech/

https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2014-10-14a.833

It's all consistent with the "lack of information" and the criticism that the government has attributed to Irish Water of in terms of their "communication issues". But they employ the very same ambiguity themselves.
Double standards is nothing new here.

The expectation is that these responses will convert to registrations, but best to wait till that's happened rather than claim it's already happened.

It's becoming clear that each time IW and the government claim something that it has to be double checked before the truth actually emerges.

Cantona's Collars

ROCKMAN wrote: »

Whats that ? something like 50% of households ..its all about the play on words and which side you're on ..

Anti-Water can use the same figures to get their message across..

A MASSIVE 50% SAY NO....750,000 HOUSEHOLDS HAVE NOT REGISTERED...

Personally I think 50% non- payment is a total disaster for Enda and Irish Water..but then again I could be just a AAA pawn

The Director of Consumer Affairs said that going on the very limited & vague info given by IW "Only about 30% of people signed up".

I read one statement from a woman who said she returned her form & left it blank with "No Contract" written on the envelope got a confirmation letter thanking her for becoming a customer of Irish Water........If this craic is going on,how could it be legal.I did some work for one of the big Telco's & if we did something like that.we'd be sacked.

zerks

zerks wrote: »

The Director of Consumer Affairs said that going on the very limited & vague info given by IW "Only about 30% of people signed up".

I read one statement from a woman who said she returned her form & left it blank with "No Contract" written on the envelope got a confirmation letter thanking her for becoming a customer of Irish Water........If this craic is going on,how could it be legal.I did some work for one of the big Telco's & if we did something like that.we'd be sacked.

Well, Darnation! I applied online and didn't get a letter thanking me! Must get on to them.

papu

zerks wrote: »

The Director of Consumer Affairs said that going on the very limited & vague info given by IW "Only about 30% of people signed up".

I read one statement from a woman who said she returned her form & left it blank with "No Contract" written on the envelope got a confirmation letter thanking her for becoming a customer of Irish Water........If this craic is going on,how could it be legal.I did some work for one of the big Telco's & if we did something like that.we'd be sacked.

The pack was to Apply for the water allowances , spoiling the pack , not putting a pps number on it ,and returning it just means your bill will be higher next year.

Banjo String

papu wrote: »

The pack was to Apply for the water allowances , spoiling the pack , not putting a pps number on it ,and returning it just means your bill will be higher next year.

They're going to be capped until 2016 apparently.

Which most people will ignore anyway, and without revenues being generated, a private company should fall.

ROCKMAN

papu wrote: »

The pack was to Apply for the water allowances , spoiling the pack , not putting a pps number on it ,and returning it just means your bill will be higher next year.

But what does the amount on the bill have to do with it if you have decided NOT TO PAY....

Cantona's Collars

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, Darnation! I applied online and didn't get a letter thanking me! Must get on to them.

You should apply another 1 million times to make up for all those that didn't.

Sooner or later I can see it being taken from the wages of people refusing to pay.