***ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER CHARGE RELATED POST HERE***

Guy:Incognito

Banjo String wrote: »

It is still operating as a for profit company is it not?

No Revenue stream will mean it will fail.

How? The people that own all the shares (the government) can subsidise it, like with irish rail

How come irish rail hasn't folded despite not making any profits?

Banjo String

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How? The people that own all the shares (the government) can subsidise it, like with irish rail

How come irish rail hasn't folded despite not making any profits?

Kinda pointless creating it if that's the eventual outcome.

Guy:Incognito

Banjo String wrote: »

Kinda pointless creating it if that's the eventual outcome.

Or people could pay for the water they use............


Such a crazy thought.


Incidentally, on the "but we already pay for water " line used in response to all the other countries with water charges, did they all go from no water straight to pipes being run to their houses and being charged for it or did they move from it being paid for by taxes to charges, just like us?

FREETV

MadYaker wrote: »

Do you actually read anything posted on boards.ie or do you just post these ill informed rants? It's been pointed out 20 times that we aren't paying twice.

Then again I guess there isn't much point trying to have a reasoned debate with somebody who genuinely believes our government are Nazis hahaha.
Indeed they are! :pac::pac::pac:


Edit: I love that Ac/DC tune.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mc7dnjm86g

Irish Steve

zerks wrote: »

My logic means why set up IW at all? Surely the LPT would more than cover the cost of upgrading & maintaining the water network in this country along with roads,parks etc.
Instead,the government pushed ahead with setting up a bloated,overstaffed quango who are giving the work of repairing & maintaining the water network to said Councils.

An organisation similar to IW is essential to get Water out of the influence and control of politicians, as we've seen what happens when they can control it, pet vote winning visible schemes end up being approved before essential infrastructure projects that are invisible and underground, as those long term invisible projects can't easily be used to bribewin voters at the next election.

In my view, the only reason that the day to day work on water and waste water hasn't been moved out of the local authorities is because the Unions would never stand for such a drastic change, and they'd be very afraid of the structure of a new organisation, and the potential massive number of job losses that a close examination of the real structure and numbers involved would entail. The management structure of 26 local authorities, and the other councils would be way over the size needed for the country if it was all merged into one operation, and the creation of the HSE showed us just how badly that sort of fundamental change was previously managed, and remember, unlike the private sector, state jobs are for life, there's no mechanism for moving people out if they are either not performing, or are no longer needed.

Sorting water will take a lot longer than the term of a government, or local authority, so water schemes don't figure in political thinking, anything further out than the next election is irrelevant to our political classes and their leaders

IW however is completely wrong, for all the reasons outlined already, the people are wrong, the structure is wrong, the bonus and perks culture is wrong, the "entitled" culture is wrong, and the track record of many of the people in the local authorities is less than stellar.

The charging for water needs to be more related to consumption by all users, and it doesn't necessarily bear any relation to the size of the property, there are examples locally of relatively small houses that are being occupied by way above "normal" numbers of people, so having a meter based charging system does at least mean that the charge made reflects the usage, which is the fairest way to generate the revenue needed.

If water charges were so wrong, they would not be used in just about every country in Europe and the rest of the developed world. I don't see huge numbers of people protesting about water charges in the EU, with the right safeguards in place to protect the consumer, an independent water system is the best way to resolve the mess that's been getting worse since FF bribed the electorate in 1977 when the old system of household charges was done away with.

Banjo String

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Or people could pay for the water they use............


Such a crazy thought.

But we already do.

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Incidentally, on the "but we already pay for water " line used in response to all the other countries with water charges, did they all go from no water straight to pipes being run to their houses and being charged for it or did they move from it being paid for by taxes to charges, just like us?

Should we start driving on the right?
Reintroduce capital punishment?
Abolish income tax or vat?

This is Ireland. I don't care what they do in other countries. If/when I decide to live in one, I'll care then.

Guy:Incognito

Banjo String wrote: »

But we already do. .

No, some of your tax used to go to pay for the shifty water system we have. You don't pay for your actual usage, which you should.



Would sticking 700 quid extra on everyones income tax bill be a fair system instead?


Sure the more that's paid for by income tax the better, then when another 400,000 lose their jobs and stop paying in and need money out instead we can maximise the bang of the next crash.....

FREETV

These water charges will cause another crash or downturn in the economy after 2016 if they are allowed by the public.
It will have an effect on both shops on the high street and online.
More people will then lose their jobs unless they are working for scam quangos.
Services will be also effected such as TV, Broadband, supermarkets etc.

Idiots in Dail Eireann!

Maybe that is their agenda.
Is that your agenda Enda?

Irish Steve

Banjo String wrote: »

Should we start driving on the right?

If you look at most of our motorways, we already do

Reintroduce capital punishment?

That's not going to solve any of the problems we're talking about in this thread

Abolish income tax or vat?

This is Ireland. I don't care what they do in other countries. If/when I decide to live in one, I'll care then.

Nice theory, but in practice, state services have to be paid for. We might not be getting good value for money from some of those services, and changing that situation is not going to be easy, or quick, at least people are starting to talk about it now, rather than just hoping that things might change.

Back to talking about IW, as that's the real issue right now. 2 of the 3 major parties accept the principle of charging for water, and it's been signed off by the IMF/Troika, so getting out of that decision at this stage is not going to be easy.

IW is completely the wrong structure to bring it in. We need a more suitable and accountable organisation, preferably with no semi state "managers" at the top, who will put the needed structure in place, and make the massive changes that are needed to secure the future of the water network.

Whatever it ends up being called, IW is a poisoned chalice for the foreseeable future, and the longer the Government tries to pretend that there's no problems, the worse the issue will become.

Cuttlefish

Thousands marched yesterday, from all walks of life, opposing Irish Water and the taxing of water


Next Sat @ 2pm is a national day of demonstration so if you oppose this tax/ levy/ charge/ bank bailout --- GET OUT AND MARCH!

Guy:Incognito

Cuttlefish wrote: »

Thousands marched yesterday, from all walks of life, opposing Irish Water and the taxing of water


Next Sat @ 2pm is a national day of demonstration so if you oppose this tax/ levy/ charge/ bank bailout --- GET OUT AND MARCH!

Don't forget to bump the numbers by bringing the kids :-)

For added effect, get them looking sad holding a sign.

coolemon

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Don't forget to bump the numbers by bringing the kids :-)

For added effect, get them looking sad holding a sign.

Nah leave that to the pro-life nuts.

FREETV

Don't forget your Guy Fawkes V for Vendetta Masks and Halloween Masks and Halloween Costumes too.

Give the Coalition a fright when they watch you on RTE! :pac::pac::pac::pac:

Cantona's Collars

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Don't forget to bump the numbers by bringing the kids :-)

For added effect, get them looking sad holding a sign.

What we do now will affect them.IW only want their PPS numbers for 'something,something,nothing dodgy'

Valetta

Cuttlefish wrote: »

Thousands marched yesterday, from all walks of life, opposing Irish Water and the taxing of water


Next Sat @ 2pm is a national day of demonstration so if you oppose this tax/ levy/ charge/ bank bailout --- GET OUT AND MARCH!

Millions didn't march.

coolemon

Valetta wrote: »

Millions didn't march.

No but tens of thousands did nationally.

papu

coolemon wrote: »

No but tens of thousands did nationally.

But millions didn't nationally.

FREETV

Valetta wrote: »

Millions didn't march.

Just look at all the resistance on the Facebook protest pages, there is nothing that the Government can do to stop the revolution.
Nobody wants water charges or Irish Water.
Oh, nor do they want Enda, Joan, Noonan, Howlin etc in power anymore!

coolemon

papu wrote: »

But millions didn't nationally.

Did anyone claim otherwise?

It is a national demonstration, and tens of thousands are expected.

Valetta

FREETV wrote: »

Just look at all the resistance on the Facebook protest pages, there is nothing that the Government can do to stop the revolution.
Nobody wants water charges or Irish Water.
Oh, nor do they want Enda, Joan, Noonan etc in power anymore!

Nobody? Really?

FREETV

Valetta wrote: »

Nobody? Really?

Yes, nobody with half a brain!

Valetta

FREETV wrote: »

Yes, nobody with half a brain!

Rather insulting to probably the majority of people in the country.

coolemon

Valetta wrote: »

Rather insulting to probably the majority of people in the country.

Probably.

Listen to the worm of doubt, for it speaks the truth.

Cantona's Collars

papu wrote: »

But millions didn't nationally.

They didn't sign up with IW either;)

FREETV

Valetta wrote: »

Rather insulting to probably the majority of people in the country.

Not really, the vast majority of people have woken up and will take no more sh*t from Enda and Co.
We don't seem to be the Island of Sheeple that we used to be and we will no longer give in to threats, bullyboy tactics and enforced debt enslavement anymore from the Government we all pay salaries for.

Guy:Incognito

FREETV wrote: »

Just look at all the resistance on the Facebook protest pages, there is nothing that the Government can do to stop the revolution.
Nobody wants water charges or Irish Water.
Oh, nor do they want Enda, Joan, Noonan, Howlin etc in power anymore!

Getting people to say they don't want to be charged for something is hardly a huge victory. The majority of the general public will just see water charges = bad and will never look beyond "I will have to pay for this" as a reason for or against anything. Getting them to realise why it's needed is a much much bigger task and an uphill struggle from the outset. Most don't care about the big picture.

Valetta

FREETV wrote: »

Not really, the vast majority of people have woken up and will take no more sh*t from Enda and Co.
We don't seem to be the Island of Sheeple that we used to be and will not give in to threats, bullyboy tactics and debt enslavement anymore from the Government we all pay salaries for.

So you've gone from "nobody wants it" to "the vast majority" don't want it.

No credibility in your posts .

FREETV

Valetta wrote: »

So you've gone from "nobody wants it" to "the vast majority" don't want it.

No credibility in your posts .

I said that the vast majority have woken up and nobody protesting and complaining on Facebook wants Enda or Irish Water, the water charges.
The rest are still baaahh, sheeple and only have half a brain between them. :pac::pac::pac::pac:

losthorizon

tayto lover wrote: »

Will be giving nothing voluntarily.

You told us you liked Taytos. I personally dont want to know that.

DrumSteve

FREETV wrote: »

I said that the vast majority have woken up and nobody on Facebook wants Enda or Irish Water or the charges while the rest are still baaahh, sheeple and only have half a brain. :pac::pac::pac::pac:

I hate when people use the word sheeple.

I dont agree with IW btw but if you Vote out this lot, the rest of them (FF/SF) are even worse.