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    #7592
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    awec wrote: »
    "Ordinary working man and woman".

    People keep throwing that phrase about, can anyone explain what it even means?
    They're the backbone of the country, who keep the whole show on the road but inexplicably shouldn't have to pay for it.
    sin_city wrote: »
    This is perhaps the issue that got them to realize that the politicians work for us not the other way around
    ^^ ... but apparently (up to now) they were a bit thick or didn't ever attend a civics lesson in school.


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    #7593
    Daith
    Registered Users Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭Daith


    Phoebas wrote: »
    didn't ever attend a civics lesson in school.

    There's no civics lesson when you go to the school of hard knocks mate!


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    #7594
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    The organised removal of meters seems to be underway:

    https://www.facebook.com/mullingarmeterfairies

    Dear Irish Water.

    Someone has removed my meter.
    This is mental.

    Yours sincerely,


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    #7595
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 18,024 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Phoebas wrote: »
    They're the backbone of the country, who keep the whole show on the road but inexplicably shouldn't have to pay for it.

    And according to Noonan's statistic's they actually don't even pay for that much anyway since 70% of the country, ie the ordinary working man and woman, are paying 21% of income tax


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    #7596
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 18,024 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Going Forward wrote: »
    The organised removal of meters seems to be underway:

    https://www.facebook.com/mullingarmeterfairies

    Dear Irish Water.

    Someone has removed my meter.
    This is mental.

    Yours sincerely,

    Irresponsible fvckwits bringing about the quicker degradation of our water infrastructure but of course in 5 years when half the country is on boil water notices it will be the politicians who get blamed


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    #7597
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Even the dep is nervous of giving pps to IW

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/water/department-staff-fear-giving-pps-numbers-to-irish-water-30701370.html


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    #7598
    sin_city
    Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭sin_city


    Phoebas wrote: »
    They're the backbone of the country, who keep the whole show on the road but inexplicably shouldn't have to pay for it.


    ^^ ... but apparently (up to now) they were a bit thick or didn't ever attend a civics lesson in school.


    No, as I said people with families just get on with it...work sleep and so on...No time for actually seeing what is going on....Here the country seems to be galvanized.

    If anyone is a bit thick, maybe its you.....When you are busy working, the last thing you want to do when you go home is find out when the protest is on so you can lose whatever little free time you have in an attempt to change something the politicians are hell bent on putting through to pay banker debts.

    Does that explain it? Come on...another snide remark...go on....ya know ya want to.


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    #7599
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Irresponsible fvckwits bringing about the quicker degradation of our water infrastructure but of course in 5 years when half the country is on boil water notices it will be the politicians who get blamed

    The incompetent politicians have degraded the water infrastructure for years,


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    #7600
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Even the dep is nervous of giving pps to IW

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/water/department-staff-fear-giving-pps-numbers-to-irish-water-30701370.html

    Their fears or concerns are unfounded.
    However, the Irish Independent has learned that officials in the government department responsible for issuing PPS numbers are doubtful about the legal basis of Irish Water checking numbers and are uneasy over the conflict with their own duty to protect members of the public.

    It's an individual's own choice to give out their PPS number, nothing to do with the issuer's duty to protect anything.
    and they are also annoyed at the tight deadline for people to make such a decision.

    It has been known for months that IW would be looking for PPS numbers. Where's the "tight deadline"?
    They also express concerns about the prospect of Irish Water being privatised in the future

    Don't know where they get the idea that IW will be privatised, unless they know something the rest of us don't.
    and query what right a private company would have to be in possession of people's PPS numbers.

    This doesn't make any sense. A private company has every "right" to have your PPS number, once you give it willingly.

    Numerous private companies have my PPS number, as I would suspect they have of most people.

    Banks, building societies, employers, accountants, financial advisors, etc.


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    #7601
    Daith
    Registered Users Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭Daith


    Valetta wrote: »
    It's an individual's own choice to give out their PPS number, nothing to do with the issuer's duty to protect anything.

    What? They absolutely have a duty to protect data. They've already had one breach of data protection already also.


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    #7602
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Daith wrote: »
    What? They absolutely have a duty to protect data? They've already had one breach of data protection already also.

    But they're not giving out any data? :confused:


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    #7603
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 18,024 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    hju6 wrote: »
    The incompetent politicians have degraded the water infrastructure for years,

    Yeah and who voted the incompetent politicians in? Incompetent voters are the problem here who always want better things but aren't willing to actually pay for them and will vote for whichever politician promises them the most without actually thinking of the realistic consequences of those promises and how they most likely cannot possible be followed through

    Our political system is broken and it's not the politicians fault it's the voters who sell their votes to the highest bidder


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    #7604
    Daith
    Registered Users Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭Daith


    Valetta wrote: »
    But they're not giving out any data? :confused:

    They already gave out bank details to the wrong people. They also use a number of 3rd party companies (most specifically their outsourced call center).

    What's confusing about people wanting to know who IW can give their PPS numbers to?


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    #7605
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    sin_city wrote: »
    If anyone is a bit thick, maybe its you.....
    [...]
    Come on...another snide remark...go on....ya know ya want to.
    Hypocritical post tbh.


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    #7606
    gladrags
    Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    Valetta wrote: »
    But they're not giving out any data? :confused:

    How do you know?


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    #7607
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Daith wrote: »
    They already gave out bank details to the wrong people. They also use a number of 3rd party companies (most specifically their outsourced call center).

    What's confusing about people wanting to know who IW can give their PPS numbers to?

    Read the article qouted in my original post.

    It's the Dept. of Social Protection claiming they are worried about themselves being in breach of data protection. It makes no sense whatsoever.

    Quote:
    However, the Irish Independent has learned that officials in the government department responsible for issuing PPS numbers are doubtful about the legal basis of Irish Water checking numbers and are uneasy over the conflict with their own duty to protect members of the public.


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    #7608
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    gladrags wrote: »
    How do you know?

    Why would the Dept. of Social Protection give out anyone's PPS number?


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    #7609
    Daith
    Registered Users Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭Daith


    Valetta wrote: »
    Read the article qouted in my original post.

    It's the Dept. of Social Protection claiming they are worried about themselves being in breach of data protection. It makes no sense whatsoever.

    Perhaps you should explain our data protection laws to the Dept then? If they don't know well....


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    #7610
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Daith wrote: »
    Perhaps you should explain our data protection laws to the Dept then?

    Why would I do that?

    I just pointed out how nonsensical the article was.


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    #7611
    gladrags
    Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    Daith wrote: »
    They already gave out bank details to the wrong people. They also use a number of 3rd party companies (most specifically their outsourced call center).

    What's confusing about people wanting to know who IW can give their PPS numbers to?

    IW also supply personal information to third parties.

    Who in turn I suppose can supply the information to god knows who.

    What a farce.


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    #7612
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Even the dep is nervous of giving pps to IW

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/water/department-staff-fear-giving-pps-numbers-to-irish-water-30701370.html

    This is such a bogus story - it's about some civil servants in the DSP posting some stuff up on an internal notice board. It's not about officials expressing concerns in their official capacity.

    Willie O'Dea is just playing games here. Next up we're sure to have a worker in the IW call centre refusing to register and Willie will spin it as 'Irish Water officials against Irish Water'.


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    #7613
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 18,024 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Phoebas wrote: »
    This is such a bogus story - it's about some civil servants in the DSP posting some stuff up on an internal notice board. It's not about officials expressing concerns in their official capacity.

    Willie O'Dea is just playing games here. Next up we're sure to have a worker in the IW call centre refusing to register and Willie will spin it as 'Irish Water officials against Irish Water'.

    Exactly he was on Pat Kenny yesterday and was just waffling, when asked what could actually be done with someone's PPS number he couldn't answer the question


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    #7614
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Exactly he was on Pat Kenny yesterday and was just waffling, when asked what could actually be done with someone's PPS number he couldn't answer the question

    Why is there a PPS number Fraud department then PPS number fraud is a very serious issue....


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    #7615
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 18,024 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Why is there a PPS number Fraud department then PPS number fraud is a very serious issue....

    Yeah for cases of defrauding social welfare etc.
    Hypothetical tomorrow you got my PPS number what can you do with it?


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    #7616
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Yeah for cases of defrauding social welfare etc.
    Hypothetical tomorrow you got my PPS number what can you do with it?

    Post it up here sure if you have no issues with it being in the public domain.


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    #7617
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Why is there a PPS number Fraud department then PPS number fraud is a very serious issue....

    For people who register for a pps with false details or multiple identities.


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    #7618
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,327 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    papu wrote: »
    You've obviously never been to the continent where the pubs and clubs won't even give you tap water and charge you for bottled water.....
    20c a pint is cheap.

    You see, this is how rip off Ireland exists.

    It's 20c this week.

    In a few months it'll be a euro...some time after that a euro fifty...until one day people are on Boards wondering why a pint of tap water cost them 3 euro.


    :rolleyes:


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    #7619
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Yeah and who voted the incompetent politicians in? Incompetent voters are the problem here who always want better things but aren't willing to actually pay for them and will vote for whichever politician promises them the most without actually thinking of the realistic consequences of those promises and how they most likely cannot possible be followed through

    Our political system is broken and it's not the politicians fault it's the voters who sell their votes to the highest bidder

    So according to you, it's the people's fault for voting in the incompetant politicians, and then when the people stand up and protest against the incompetant politicians it's the people's fault.

    So basically, according to you, everything is the people's fault .:eek:


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    #7620
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,327 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    awec wrote: »
    "Ordinary working man and woman".

    People keep throwing that phrase about, can anyone explain what it even means?

    People, other than the John Tierney's, Denis O'Brien's and Buckley Bros. of this world, I would presume.


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    #7621
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 18,024 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Post it up here sure if you have no issues with it being in the public domain.

    I like my anonymity thank's but as far as I know there is actually nothing of consequence that it can be used for beyond getting your name, if you know otherwise prove me wrong


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