***ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER CHARGE RELATED POST HERE***

GiftofGab

Ok so I registered for the water tax online.

But I only completed section A and B.

It didn’t give me the chance to complete the further sections. So I didn’t give my PPS numbers or anything.

Does anybody else have this problem?

Caliden

gandalf wrote: »

With the right political will they would be. The problem is that the current crowd in power and the ones waiting in the wings for power don't have the testicular fortitude to take them on.

There's that and the fact that they would be taking money off themselves. A very difficult task.

gladrags

From the Independent site.

I have checked other sources to confirm Hogans remarks.

Here is the guy who set up the quango and walked away with a golden handshake from Kenny.

His comments are beyond belief,and reflect what FG really think about the taxpayers.

"Asked about Saturday’s massive countrywide demonstrations against water charges Mr Hogan said no-one will able to get rid of the new charge.

“People are entitled to protest, they are entitled to make their voice known,” he added.

He said the Government was forced to introduce water charges because the country was “broke” and dependent on funding from the Troika.

Speaking to Newstalk, Mr Hogan said the Troika are “paying for the people who are marching tomorrow if they are public servants or on welfare or if they are getting any particular service”.

“This is where we have been getting our money for the last number of years because we were broke and unfortunately that has a huge impact on people’s personal disposable income but also their lifestyle,” he added.

“We have to reform how we do business in this country or we will not learn from the past.”

He said the introduction of water charges in Ireland was “predicated by the unsavoury situation of the Troika” which forced the new tax on the county.

He said the Troika was still looking over the shoulder of the Government despite exiting the bailout programme. Mr Hogan said he would like to have had more time to introduce water charges over a longer time frame but he was under pressure from the Troika to implement the measure."

papu

gladrags wrote: »

Snip

What's the need for the double spacing? It makes your posts very difficult to read.

yipeeeee

gladrags wrote: »

From the Independent site.

I have checked other sources to confirm Hogans remarks.

Here is the guy who set up the quango and walked away with a golden handshake from Kenny.

His comments are beyond belief,and reflect what FG really think about the taxpayers.

"Asked about Saturday’s massive countrywide demonstrations against water charges Mr Hogan said no-one will able to get rid of the new charge.

“People are entitled to protest, they are entitled to make their voice known,” he added.

He said the Government was forced to introduce water charges because the country was “broke” and dependent on funding from the Troika.

Speaking to Newstalk, Mr Hogan said the Troika are “paying for the people who are marching tomorrow if they are public servants or on welfare or if they are getting any particular service”.

“This is where we have been getting our money for the last number of years because we were broke and unfortunately that has a huge impact on people’s personal disposable income but also their lifestyle,” he added.

“We have to reform how we do business in this country or we will not learn from the past.”

He said the introduction of water charges in Ireland was “predicated by the unsavoury situation of the Troika” which forced the new tax on the county.

He said the Troika was still looking over the shoulder of the Government despite exiting the bailout programme. Mr Hogan said he would like to have had more time to introduce water charges over a longer time frame but he was under pressure from the Troika to implement the measure."

Exactly, do people rally think the government want to introduce this knowing its the end of them in power come next election.

They have no choice that's the harsh reality.

cajonlardo

gladrags wrote: »

“We have to reform how we do business in this country or we will not learn from the past.” "

So the first thing they did was another deal with their good buddy. Things are changing alright.

shinzon

Phil Hogan mandates that the charge is here to stay, but with a million people still not after registering whats going to happen, are Fine Gael and the troika really going to try and prosecute and jail that many people.

I don't think so

Shin

sonofenoch

Noonan comparing water to electricity.....'sure be jaysus what if electricity was free, sure they'd be leaving the lights on all night in the middle of summer'

not sure how that translates in German..

Creative Juices

Is there a website showing where and when the protests will be on?

Also will the bearded ones be making union speeches at these protests?

hju6

Creative Juices wrote: »

Is there a website showing where and when the protests will be on?

Also will the bearded ones be making union speeches at these protests?

list here

http://right2water.ie/events

Creative Juices

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

The Fountain, Eyre Sq @2pm.

Are you spreading false information?

It's 1pm @ Spanish Arch for Galway

Galwayguy35

Creative Juices wrote: »

Is there a website showing where and when the protests will be on?

Also will the bearded ones be making union speeches at these protests?

Jack O Connor is against the protests.

cajonlardo

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Jack O Connor is against the protests.

People should consider a different union so

ROCKMAN

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Jack O Connor is against the protests.

in all fairness Jack O Connor been against the protests only helps .....

Irish Steve

Just been looking at the right2water site, and I now find I have a major problem in supporting tomorrow's planned marches and protests.

I want to give the Government a VERY CLEAR AND LOUD message that says

IRISH WATER AS PRESENTLY STRUCTURED AND PLANNED IS UNACCEPTABLE TO ME, AND MUST BE CHANGED.

My problem is that I do NOT want to be associated with the NO PAYMENT plan that right2water are putting forward, I don't have an issue with water being a paid for resource that's paid for on the basis of consumption. That now puts me into a bind, in that the protest marches are all going to be promoted as being "No water charge", and I am not saying No water charge, I'm saying NO IRISH WATER as presently structured

The issue for me is that just about everything related to the operational structure, management structure, management style, operational culture and future direction of IW is wrong, and has to be undone, or changed, to make IW fit for purpose.

It looks like I won't be able to go to any of the 90 plus planned marches or demonstrations without my presence being used to give support to a message that I don't fully support.

Looks like I shall have to start writing specific letters to selected TD's and Ministers in order to make the point that I suspect is more in keeping with many people's real views on the subject of water and charges.

I suspect I'm not alone in this feeling, but it's frustrating and annoying me that the opportunity to give the Government a clear message is not as clear as I wanted it to be.

shinzon

the right2water campaign has always been about no Irish Water and water charges full stop, no one is forcing you to march against your beliefs

Shin

Creative Juices

Creative Juices wrote: »

Are you spreading false information?

It's 1pm @ Spanish Arch for Galway

Jeez, calm down. I thought I was doing you a favour googling water protest/Galway. It led me to a fb page and they were the details listed.

Look yourself next time.

Irish Steve

Irish Steve wrote: »

Just been looking at the right2water site, and I now find I have a major problem in supporting tomorrow's planned marches and protests.

I want to give the Government a VERY CLEAR AND LOUD message that says

IRISH WATER AS PRESENTLY STRUCTURED AND PLANNED IS UNACCEPTABLE TO ME, AND MUST BE CHANGED.

My problem is that I do NOT want to be associated with the NO PAYMENT plan that right2water are putting forward, I don't have an issue with water being a paid for resource that's paid for on the basis of consumption. That now puts me into a bind, in that the protest marches are all going to be promoted as being "No water charge", and I am not saying No water charge, I'm saying NO IRISH WATER as presently structured

The issue for me is that just about everything related to the operational structure, management structure, management style, operational culture and future direction of IW is wrong, and has to be undone, or changed, to make IW fit for purpose.

It looks like I won't be able to go to any of the 90 plus planned marches or demonstrations without my presence being used to give support to a message that I don't fully support.

Looks like I shall have to start writing specific letters to selected TD's and Ministers in order to make the point that I suspect is more in keeping with many people's real views on the subject of water and charges.

I suspect I'm not alone in this feeling, but it's frustrating and annoying me that the opportunity to give the Government a clear message is not as clear as I wanted it to be.

I am in the same boat, as are quite a lot of people, I would imagine. It seems like the gov are purely trying to buy off the 'won't pay no matter what' protesters with those of us who are aghast at the monstrosity that is IW being left out in the cold.

At this point I can't see any admin changes coming, all that will happen is that the middle class will once again be carrying pretty much the entire burden of this fat, incompetent setup. To be so fat and incompetent a year into its life is very worrying, I'm already hearing a ton of IW ads on the radio, I'm sure they're on TV too - I can't wait to be paying handsomely for a monster marketing budget from the only bloody water company in the state, that everyone has no choice but to use!

A sick joke.

gladrags

Irish Steve wrote: »

Just been looking at the right2water site, and I now find I have a major problem in supporting tomorrow's planned marches and protests.

I want to give the Government a VERY CLEAR AND LOUD message that says

IRISH WATER AS PRESENTLY STRUCTURED AND PLANNED IS UNACCEPTABLE TO ME, AND MUST BE CHANGED.

My problem is that I do NOT want to be associated with the NO PAYMENT plan that right2water are putting forward, I don't have an issue with water being a paid for resource that's paid for on the basis of consumption. That now puts me into a bind, in that the protest marches are all going to be promoted as being "No water charge", and I am not saying No water charge, I'm saying NO IRISH WATER as presently structured

The issue for me is that just about everything related to the operational structure, management structure, management style, operational culture and future direction of IW is wrong, and has to be undone, or changed, to make IW fit for purpose.

It looks like I won't be able to go to any of the 90 plus planned marches or demonstrations without my presence being used to give support to a message that I don't fully support.

Looks like I shall have to start writing specific letters to selected TD's and Ministers in order to make the point that I suspect is more in keeping with many people's real views on the subject of water and charges.

I suspect I'm not alone in this feeling, but it's frustrating and annoying me that the opportunity to give the Government a clear message is not as clear as I wanted it to be.

People are attending for many different reasons,associated or not associated to Irish water.

Grandpa Hassan

gladrags wrote: »

People are attending for many different reasons,associated or not associated to Irish water.

Therein lies the problem. I don't see that there is a coherent message with respect to what the protests are trying to achieve, or a definitive, actionable message to the government.

renegademaster

3 of the protestors arrested in Cork yesterday are on the late late tonight!!

renegademaster

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

Therein lies the problem. I don't see that there is a coherent message with respect to what the protests are trying to achieve, or a definitive, actionable message to the government.

the message is quite simple and doesn't need to be complicated like you're suggesting, the message is people have had enough!

cajonlardo

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

At this point I can't see any admin changes coming, all that will happen is that the middle class will once again be carrying pretty much the entire burden

Getting sick to the back teeth of this suffering "middleclass" bit.
My bill is the same as yours and the same as a millionaires or anyone else.

While the people on this island squabble for their selfish interests "middleclass" v self employed or welfare we will all lose out.

Phoebas

renegademaster wrote: »

3 of the protestors arrested in Cork yesterday are on the late late tonight!!

That couldn't possibly backfire.

fxotoole

renegademaster wrote: »

the message is quite simple and doesn't need to be complicated like you're suggesting, the message is people have had enough!

That's not a decisive, definite, actionable message though. It's just a vague whingy moan about people not liking Irish Water for any of a multitude of reasons.

Like the poster you quoted commented, what exactly are these protests meant to achieve? Ask 10 different people at the protests, and you'll 10 different answers.

cajonlardo

fxotoole wrote: »

That's not a decisive, definite, actionable message though. It's just a vague whingy moan about people not liking Irish Water for any of a multitude of reasons.

Like the poster you quoted commented, what exactly are these protests meant to achieve? Ask 10 different people at the protests, and you'll 10 different answers.

If someone can't be bothered reading what the protests expect to achieve on the website, then its hardly likely that they are seriously interested. Whingy moan is right.

The simple and clear message being sent out is that I.W is NOT acceptable and will not be tolerated. And all the mickey fits by F.G and their online supporters is not going to dilute that message.

Phoebas

cajonlardo wrote: »

If someone can't be bothered reading what the protests expect to achieve on the website, then its hardly likely that they are seriously interested. Whingy moan is right.

The simple and clear message being sent out is that I.W is NOT acceptable and will not be tolerated. And all the mickey fits by F.G and their online supporters is not going to dilute that message.

I don't normally get to tune in to Joe Duffy, but I caught a bit of it today. There were a good few people saying they were going on the protest tomorrow, but for many disparate reasons.
Many weren't against water charges in principle but were unhappy about various aspects of how IW was operating including possible privatisation and the PPSN issue.

The fact is that there isn't really a single simple and clear message.

gladrags

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

Therein lies the problem. I don't see that there is a coherent message with respect to what the protests are trying to achieve, or a definitive, actionable message to the government.

Not sure there can be an overall single factor.

Austerity,cronyism,and mistrust come to mind,throw in fear and the fact that people are p*ssed off,paying one tax after another.The bank bail out,homelessness.

There are many factors that have accumulated.

Curly Judge

cajonlardo wrote: »

If someone can't be bothered reading what the protests expect to achieve on the website, then its hardly likely that they are seriously interested. Whingy moan is right.

The simple and clear message being sent out is that I.W is NOT acceptable and will not be tolerated. And all the mickey fits by F.G and their online supporters is not going to dilute that message.

But it is acceptable!
Even on this Shinner laden site you have failed to get the majority vote.
You have lost the run of yourselves if you think having 100 thousand on the street is the same as winning a general elections.

Bongalongherb

I was just watching the RTE 6:01 news there, and Michael Noonan says that 'water is a scarce resource'. This man is on another planet.