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gladrags

Curly Judge wrote: »

But it is acceptable!
Even on this Shinner laden site you have failed to get the majority vote.
You have lost the run of yourselves if you think having 100 thousand on the street is the same as winning a general elections.

The protests are not organised by SF.

Because only 100,000 or so march does not mean that they DO NOT have the support,of the vast majority.

Can you prove otherwise?

gandalf

sonofenoch wrote: »

Noonan comparing water to electricity.....'sure be jaysus what if electricity was free, sure they'd be leaving the lights on all night in the middle of summer'

not sure how that translates in German..

FFS there we go again. WATER IS NOT FREE MICHAEL unless you are a long term unemployed pedestrian who rents your home you already pay for it!!!!!!!

Bongalongherb

Bongalongherb wrote: »

I was just watching the RTE 6:01 news there, and Michael Noonan says that 'water is a scarce resource'. This man is on another planet.

Potable water IS a scarce resource.

hju6

Deleted User wrote: »

Potable water IS a scarce resource.

Anything to back that up with, with reference to Ireland?

Curly Judge

gladrags wrote: »

The protests are not organised by SF.

Because only 100,000 or so march does not mean that they DO NOT have the support,of the vast majority.

Can you prove otherwise?

The only proof I need in a democracy is the results of the last general elections.
When your lot win an overall majority at the ballot box you can then give us all the benefit of your wonderful managment.
By the way, can you prove that, even now, you control a majority?
You can't even win the poll conducted on this site.

gladrags

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Potable water IS a scarce resource.

For some,but not fot Baldy Noonan.

He won't have to piiss into his kettle,to make a cup of tea.

Bongalongherb

It just goes to show you how many people that don't look up and feel/see/notice the rain these days. Maybe Ireland's climate with it's rain all the time cannot be recognised by some folk. Hello... it's a raining again, all the time all year-round, and it's supposed to be scarce ?. The mind boggles.

The treatment of water has being going on, and on, and on for decades with no problems, except for the leaky pipes they won't fix.

gladrags

Curly Judge wrote: »

The only proof I need in a democracy is the results of the last general elections.
When your lot win an overall majority at the ballot box you can then give us all the benefit of your wonderful managment.
By the way, can you prove that, even now, you control a majority?
You can't even win the poll conducted on this site.

More throwaway rhetoric.

Lets keep the thread all things water,
instead of another us v them scenario.

Creative Juices

Bongalongherb wrote: »

It just goes to show you how many people that don't look up and feel/see/notice the rain these days. Maybe Ireland's climate with it's rain all the time cannot be recognised by some folk. Hello... it's a raining again, all the time all year-round, and it's supposed to be scarce ?. The mind boggles.

To be fair we had an exceptionally dry summer. I have never seen Lough Corrib so low. And reservoirs have been known to run dangerously low which is why Dublin Corporation want to pipe water from the Shannon.

Bongalongherb

Creative Juices wrote: »

To be fair we had an exceptionally dry summer. I have never seen Lough Corrib so low. And reservoirs have been known to run dangerously low which is why Dublin Corporation want to pipe water from the Shannon.

Yes, I understand that in some counties it was a dry one just passed, but in all fairness, the stuff just dries up for a while and then, the heavens open non-stop for months. It's not dry all year-round at all, but it is Not by any measurement of the imagination 'scarce'.

What the heck was Noonan thinking when he said that.

Going Forward

Deleted User wrote: »

Potable water IS a scarce resource.

There's no scarcity of potable water in Ireland nor in most of the EU.

The overall abstraction and consumption of water resources is currently sustainable in the long-term.

http://www.eea.europa.eu/themes/water/water-resources

Ireland, due to a combination of factors including location and climate is particularly well resourced

http://www.earthzine.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Figure-21.jpg

Curly Judge

gladrags wrote: »

More throwaway rhetoric.

Lets keep the thread all things water,
instead of another us v them scenario.

Well... you did ask?

yipeeeee

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Yes, I understand that in some counties it was a dry one just passed, but in all fairness, the stuff just dries up for a while and then, the heavens open non-stop for months. It's not dry all year-round at all, but it is Not by any measurement of the imagination 'scarce'.

What the heck was Noonan thinking jwhen he said that.

The heavens open non stop for months????

This is Ireland not Vietnam.

Curly Judge

Going Forward wrote: »

There's no scarcity of potable water in Ireland nor in most of the EU.

The overall abstraction and consumption of water resources is currently sustainable in the long-term.

http://www.eea.europa.eu/themes/water/water-resources

Ireland, due to a combination of factors including location and climate is particularly well resources:

http://www.earthzine.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Figure-21.jpg

You people do know the difference between water and potable water?

Fred Swanson

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Irish Steve

gladrags wrote: »

For some,but not fot Baldy Noonan.

He won't have to piiss into his kettle,to make a cup of tea.

Don't piss too hard in your kettle, otherwise it'll cost you more in electricity (or gas) to boil it than using fresh water would have done, the proposed cost of water is (at present) less than half a cent per litre, which is somewhere between 3 and 4 cups of tea. If Joan Burton is to be believed, that price could be coming down more in the next few weeks, as a desperate coalition does anything it can to get IW accepted by an electorate that is not happy with the way their representatives are responding to them.

twowheelsgood

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Yes, I understand that in some counties it was a dry one just passed, but in all fairness, the stuff just dries up for a while and then, the heavens open non-stop for months. It's not dry all year-round at all, but it is Not by any measurement of the imagination 'scarce'.

What the heck was Noonan thinking when he said that.

Couldn't you say the same all that energy in the wind and the sun. More than enough of the free stuff to keep us in clover.

The tricky bit of course is to get it from its raw, natural state to a from where we can utilize it - a bit like water!

Bongalongherb

yipeeeee wrote: »

The heavens open non stop for months????

This is Ireland not Vietnam.

Well, you should live in Ireland for a year or two and then you will see. Just because we had one dry spell in a few counties for part of one year, it sure as hell comes down a lot here in Ireland.

Maybe specsavers would be a good place to start.

Going Forward

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Yes, I understand that in some counties it was a dry one just passed, but in all fairness, the stuff just dries up for a while and then, the heavens open non-stop for months. It's not dry all year-round at all, but it is Not by any measurement of the imagination 'scarce'.

What the heck was Noonan thinking when he said that.

He has to chance it, lots of people fall for that kind of thing.

dxhound2005

Deleted User wrote: »

Potable water IS a scarce resource.

hju6 wrote: »

Anything to back that up with, with reference to Ireland?[/QUOTE

It's not like electricity. There is no national grid for water. Each town and city relies on it's own discrete local water infrastructure. The 100 year old reservoir in Dundalk ran out of capicity in the 1970's and water now comes from a lake in Co Monaghan 20 miles away. It was a very scarce resource in the summer every year when there was none in the taps overnight. Not every town or city could find a similar solution. Dublin may have to go to the Shannon for extra supplies.

There are one million extra people in the country compared to 20 years ago. There could be another million extra by 2050. Potable water could run out in particular towns or cities if the local reservoirs are insufficient to service their increased populations during prolonged dry spells. Predicted to be one of the effects here of global warming.

yipeeeee

I'm actually of the mindset that the majority of protestors believe the water falls straight from the sky into their house all ready to drink with no cost or process.

yipeeeee

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Well, you should live in Ireland for a year or two and then you will see. Just because we had one dry spell in a few counties for part of one year, it sure as hell comes down a lot here in Ireland.

Maybe specsavers would be a good place to start.

It doesn't rain non stop for a week in Ireland let alone a month.

Bongalongherb

Going Forward wrote: »

He has to chance it, lots of people fall for that kind of thing.

How any person could fall for a complete and utter lie is hard to understand.

Going Forward

Curly Judge wrote: »

You people do know the difference between water and potable water?

Is there something in my post you'd like to dispute?

gladrags

dxhound2005 wrote: »

hju6 wrote: »

Anything to back that up with, with reference to Ireland?[/QUOTE

It's not like electricity. There is no national grid for water. Each town and city relies on it's own discrete local water infrastructure. The 100 year old reservoir in Dundalk ran out of capicity in the 1970's and water now comes from a lake in Co Monaghan 20 miles away. It was a very scarce resource in the summer every year when there was none in the taps overnight. Not every town or city could find a similar solution. Dublin may have to go to the Shannon for extra supplies.

There are one million extra people in the country compared to 20 years ago. There could be another million extra by 2050. Potable water could run out in particular towns or cities if the local reservoirs are insufficient to service their increased populations during prolonged dry spells. Predicted to be one of the effects here of global warming.

For once I agree with you.

cajonlardo

cajonlardo wrote: »

Getting sick to the back teeth of this suffering "middleclass" bit.
My bill is the same as yours and the same as a millionaires or anyone else.

While the people on this island squabble for their selfish interests "middleclass" v self employed or welfare we will all lose out.

I retract the words 'middle class', the 'working poor' is more appropriate.

Cantona's Collars

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92840987&postcount=4125

Lol.

Irish Steve

Going Forward wrote: »

There's no scarcity of potable water in Ireland nor in most of the EU.

The overall abstraction and consumption of water resources is currently sustainable in the long-term.

http://www.eea.europa.eu/themes/water/water-resources

Ireland, due to a combination of factors including location and climate is particularly well resourced

http://www.earthzine.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Figure-21.jpg

It would help if you quoted current information, that first site is pre 2010. Having said that, it was interesting to see that the EU was expecting member states to use price as an incentive to "encourage" thrift in water usage BEFORE 2010, so the fact that we're only just getting into charging in 2015 means that yet again, our politicians pulled yet another stroke by getting away with it for this long.

Ireland has plenty of water, that's not the problem, what's become unsustainable is the level of loss from the network after treatment, which is causing increasing problems as they are getting worse. It's also horribly expensive, if we were using the lost water, we'd not need to be extracting, or treating, anything like the levels we are. Even if the leaks were fixed, it won't be long before water from the Shannon will be needed on the East coast to ensure long term continuity of supply for both domestic and industrial users.

Long term, architects need to be designing houses that don't use potable water for every service, it's not needed for a large number of things.

Bongalongherb

yipeeeee wrote: »

It doesn't rain non stop for a week in Ireland let alone a month.

It's just a saying... Hey tony, it rains non-stop in your country. Meaning of the Irish saying, that it rains a lot. Don't be soo politically correct please. Thank you.

hju6

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Originally Posted by Maryanne84 View Post
Potable water IS a scarce resource.

hju6 wrote: »

Anything to back that up with, with reference to Ireland?[/QUOTE

Quote dxhound2005
"It's not like electricity. There is no national grid for water. Each town and city relies on it's own discrete local water infrastructure. The 100 year old reservoir in Dundalk ran out of capicity in the 1970's and water now comes from a lake in Co Monaghan 20 miles away. It was a very scarce resource in the summer every year when there was none in the taps overnight. Not every town or city could find a similar solution. Dublin may have to go to the Shannon for extra supplies."

There are one million extra people in the country compared to 20 years ago. There could be another million extra by 2050. Potable water could run out in particular towns or cities if the local reservoirs are insufficient to service their increased populations during prolonged dry spells. Predicted to be one of the effects here of global warming."

So how IS potable water scarce then, without the could, may, was, and condescending reference to electricity claptrap