***ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER CHARGE RELATED POST HERE***

twowheelsgood

twinytwo wrote: »

we already pay for water though... would you pay for spuds 2/3 times? i dont think so

We are paying for water in a particular way (from general taxation). When pay by usage gets going we will no longer pay for it from general taxation.

hju6

VinLieger wrote: »

Correction we paid taxes some of which used to go to pay for water, it doesn't anymore.

Also what about public transport? Our taxes already go towards funding it yet we still have to pay every time we use it why aren't we complaining we pay for that twice as well?

so what paid for the setting up of Irish Water ?

Fred Swanson

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Kermit.de.frog

Two pictures that show the problem with EVERY Irish protest about everything and why the majority want nothing to do with them

http://img.rasset.ie/0009b449-642.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1WvGBLCcAAr3eG.jpg

I'm all for people protesting within reason but I won't be standing behind a Sinn Fein, or socialist party or Eirigi banner. The usual suspects that hijack every protest.

Fred Swanson

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tayto lover

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Two pictures that show the problem with EVERY Irish protest about everything and why the majority want nothing to do with them

http://img.rasset.ie/0009b449-642.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1WvGBLCcAAr3eG.jpg

I'm all for people protesting within reason but I won't be standing behind a Sinn Fein, or socialist party or Eirigi banner. The usual suspects that hijack every protest.

Me neither.
I will be protesting with people who are fed up of being scammed and scapegoated to pay for the lifestyle of the rich and also of the idle.
I have missed 2 days from work in 40 years.

tigger123

Fred Swanson wrote: »

There will be a flat fee for the first 9 months.

Some places cannot be metered and will have to charged on flat rate.

I'm in an apartment so won't be metered.

Why the flat fee for 9 months though? Is it a sweetner?

ROCKMAN

tigger123 wrote: »

Can anyone explain the talk around a flat fee instead of a metered charge? Joan Bruton mentioned something about it in an IT article I read earlier.

My understanding and I'm open to correction... Is the flat rate would not be seen as fair and would not encourage environmental use.

Fred Swanson

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hju6

tayto lover wrote: »

Me neither.
I will be protesting with people who are fed up of being scammed and scapegoated to pay for the lifestyle of the rich and also of the idle.
I have missed 2 days from work in 40 years.

+1000 on that, its great that the hard working tax payer who has had enough gets out and protests,

it really upsets the government lads on here, who are down to childish name calling at this stage

VinLieger

tayto lover wrote: »

Me neither.
I will be protesting with people who are fed up of being scammed and scapegoated to pay for the lifestyle of the rich and also of the idle.
I have missed 2 days from work in 40 years.

Lol you are paying for the lifestyle of the rich? really? You do understand the top 1% pay 20% of income tax?

Beaner1

hju6 wrote: »

+1000 on that, its great that the hard working tax payer who has had enough gets out and protests,

it really upsets the government lads on here, who are down to childish name calling at this stage

You all want it loaded on the handful of paye workers then?

LionelNashe

LionelNashe wrote: »

I want free potatoes. They're natural. They grow in the ground. Food is a basic human right. Why should I have to pay for potatoes? I'm refusing to pay for potatoes. The government should deliver potatoes to everyone's kitchens, instead of the way it has been privatised for the benefit of farmers and shopkeepers. What do I pay my taxes for?

hju6 wrote: »

You pay your taxes to have services such as water etc

Haven't they been using road tax to pay for the water since 1996? That's fine by me, because I don't drive. Others have been paying for my water. However I don't like the potholes the size of saucepans that I have to avoid when I'm cycling through Dublin north city centre.

But back to my main point; I have two 3rd level students in the house. No way should I have to pay money to buy potatoes for them. The government should be paying for all our potatoes from the taxes that we're already paying, instead of bailing bankers out of a financial mess that I didn't cause.

Little CuChulainn

hju6 wrote: »

+1000 on that, its great that the hard working tax payer who has had enough gets out and protests,

it really upsets the government lads on here, who are down to childish name calling at this stage

You're not the first anti meter person to claim to speak for 1000 people

dxhound2005

hju6 wrote: »

+1000 on that, its great that the hard working tax payer who has had enough gets out and protests,

it really upsets the government lads on here, who are down to childish name calling at this stage

What's your objection to non workers contributing as well. Lots of them are better off than some workers. The only thing which can't be easily avoided is the property tax and utility bills. It is only restoring the tax base back to what it was.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XlptOyY57E

tayto lover

dxhound2005 wrote: »

What's your objection to non workers contributing as well. Lots of them are better off than some workers. The only thing which can't be easily avoided is the property tax and utility bills. It is only restoring the tax base back to what it was.

It's the taxpayer who is being screwed for everything in this country. That's what he means and he's right.

VinLieger

tayto lover wrote: »

It's the taxpayer who is being screwed for everything in this country. That's what he means and he's right.

Yeah and this way everyone will pay for water and how much they use not just the tax payer paying for everything, how is that not fair?

hju6

dxhound2005 wrote: »

What's your objection to non workers contributing as well. Lots of them are better off than some workers. The only thing which can't be easily avoided is the property tax and utility bills. It is only restoring the tax base back to what it was.

its always down to workers v non workers with you lot

raise corporation tax by 1%, or bring in a transaction charge, or actually collect the full amount of corporation tax,

Little CuChulainn

hju6 wrote: »

its always down to workers v non workers with you lot

raise corporation tax by 1%, or bring in a transaction charge, or actually collect the full amount of corporation tax,

And it's all short sighted simplistic economics with you with no concept of cause and effect.

tayto lover

VinLieger wrote: »

Yeah and this way everyone will pay for water and how much they use not just the tax payer paying for everything, how is that not fair?

Because the taxpayer is already overburdened.
They should have left it with the councils and put a nominal charge on it instead of setting up another overpaid quango of the elite. AND we all know it will be privatized in a few years too.
We have had enough.

twowheelsgood

hju6 wrote: »

raise corporation tax by 1%

Why do you suppose our "friends" in Europe agree with you on this and use every lever they can to try and get us to raise our corporation tax rates?

yipeeeee

LionelNashe wrote: »

Haven't they been using road tax to pay for the water since 1996? That's fine by me, because I don't drive. Others have been paying for my water. However I don't like the potholes the size of saucepans that I have to avoid when I'm cycling through Dublin north city centre.

But back to my main point; I have two 3rd olevel students in the house. No way should I have to pay money to buy potatoes for them. The government should be paying for all our potatoes from the taxes that we're already paying, instead of bailing bankers out of a financial mess that I didn't cause.

Wasn't just the bankers let's be honest.

Thousands of people wrecklessly borrowed for houses and now can't pay them back.

They expect the tax payer to pay for it buy writing off their mortgage.

More entitlement bolox that this country is rotten to the core with.

mfceiling

yipeeeee wrote: »

Wasn't just the bankers let's be honest.

Thousands of people wrecklessly borrowed for houses and now can't pay them back.

They expect the tax payer to pay for it buy writing off their mortgage.

More entitlement bolox that this country is rotten to the core with.

And thousands of people didn't recklessly borrow...

Why are todays marches were on at different times? Is it so that people can attend more than one. Therefore the figures will not be accurate.

yipeeeee

mfceiling wrote: »

And thousands of people didn't recklessly borrow...

And?

Maybe we should march against the ones who did.

twinytwo

tigger123 wrote: »

Not buying it. RTE criticizes the Government and State bodies and agencies all the time. And besides, like I said before, it will be covered by independent media.

yes because RTE are really going to bite the hand that feeds them.

gladrags

hju6 wrote: »

+1000 on that, its great that the hard working tax payer who has had enough gets out and protests,

it really upsets the government lads on here, who are down to childish name calling at this stage

In city centre at the moment, heading to a protest.

I like yourself and the vast majority of citizens in this country,have paid taxes through the nose.

As did our predecessors.

Only to see it all laid to waste by crooks, and self serving profiteers.While the whingers on here try to sully the intentions of decent people,with smear tactics.

If these individuals are so concerned,why don't they deal with the fundamental issues,that have corrupted this country?

The water charge is an important part of a bigger picture,and the financial consequences for a lot of people are relative.

I am constantly puzzled by the dogged intensity of these individuals.Who will defend the charge by any other means.

They constantly fail to come up with solutions,and negatise other opinions with tireless nonsense,as they stalk in the background

Falsely labelling citizens opinions,similar to what you expect to hear in Kildare St.

twinytwo

twowheelsgood wrote: »

We are paying for water in a particular way (from general taxation). When pay by usage gets going we will no longer pay for it from general taxation.

But they want us to pay, large amounts of water for what is a ****e service... much like rte.

The muck that they classify as water that gets pumped through the public system is some of the most revolting stuff iv ever tasted, and lets not even get started on the whole flouride thing.

When for example was the last time a resevoir was built in say dublin or cork?

As we know services wont be improved, so essentially we pay to provide another gravy train for the government.

It has little to do with being for or against water conservation, which for the record i do consider important, but this is the very last thing on the mind of irish water and the rest of the suits.... its simply all about the €€€€€€ and thats the bottom line

twowheelsgood

gladrags wrote: »

If these individuals are so concerned,why don't they deal with the fundamental issues,that have corrupted this country?

One of the reasons we found ourselves in the almighty mess we have done in recent years is because we had a tax system that was fatally dependent on property related taxes. A pay by water usage model is , in the opinions of some of us, as step in the right direction to a more sensible way.

So by sitting home and staying dry, we are doing our patriotic duty! :pac: