***ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER CHARGE RELATED POST HERE***

hju6

VinLieger wrote: »

Hardly a smear against the people there, I was simply saying from what I have heard SF and other socialists have placed banners at the forefront of several protests in a cheap attempt to make themselves look like they are at the head of the protests.

Also unless you can prove no SF or socialists were involved it's not a lie either, calm down a bit yeah?

Where's your proof ? We were actually at the protests

Phoebas

donvito99 wrote: »

Doing other protesters a level of disservice.

Garda showing great restraint there - fair play.

Fred Swanson

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VinLieger

VinLieger wrote: »

Which then get's completely hijacked by the socialist's and SF by all accounts

Weren't the protests organised by the socialists under their AAA banner?

I attended the protest in Ballyshannon. A great turnout and not a political party banner to be seen. The speakers were not affiliated to any party, only one that I know of who ran as an independent in the last local election (he wasn't elected).

Everyday people from all walks of life and I'm glad I attended.

cajonlardo

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Seriously hope you aren't in the Legal business if you think that link proves anything other than S.F were present at marches

I've said it before. If S.F had the numbers at these marches they could walk into Govt buildings in the morning.

gladrags

Fred Swanson wrote: »

So you are denying that SF were not part of the protests?

Read the thread.

Little CuChulainn

I think having multiple protests is going to make the movement look weaker. 100,000 people in Dublin would look impressive but the protests just look small in comparison to local populations as they are.

Fred Swanson

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donvito99

cajonlardo wrote: »

I've said it before. If S.F had the numbers at these marches they could walk into Govt buildings in the morning.

That's nonsense.

SF could walk into Gov buildings with a load of Armalites if they wanted to, but won't by the consent of a majority of the people.

BoJack Horseman

Pretty good turnout here in Wicklow Town.
I would say upwards of 1,000 attending.

Organisers say 2,500 but it certainly isn't that high (that would be over 1/4 the population).

Having said that , more than I would have expected.

The only political banner I noticed as I passed was a SF one, which is confusing considering their privatisation stance.

VinLieger

cajonlardo wrote: »

Seriously hope you aren't in the Legal business if you think that link proves anything other than S.F were present at marches

I've said it before. If S.F had the numbers at these marches they could walk into Govt buildings in the morning.

According to the Journal's Liveblog Mary Lou was at the one in Cabra

The_Valeyard

Was at the GPO.

MC was terrible.
Lost all interest once the fluoride girl spoke. Seperate issue.


Fair play to everyone turning out though.

20Cent

Following protesrs on twitter seems to be a protest in every town in the country big numbers. Haven't seen anything like this before. Big changes in irish water coming soon.

cajonlardo

donvito99 wrote: »

That's nonsense.

SF could walk into Gov buildings with a load of Armalites if they wanted to, but won't by the consent of a majority of the people.

You deliberately ignored my point or you did not read it properly.

EDIT. apologies, if I didn't make myself clear. I was saying that S.F prescence is not as big a factor as some would like the remainder of us to believe. The majority of the people protesting were not there in a political stance, other than to protest about water charges and Irish Water. I would estimate S.F prescence as no mor eor no less than in everyday life. They certainly do not OWN these protests. My point about S.F numbers was that IF they had the kind of support being suggested by some then they "would walk into Govt Buildings"

VinLieger

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Was at the GPO.

MC was terrible.
Lost all interest once the fluoride girl spoke. Seperate issue.


Fair play to everyone turning out though.

Surely that has to be the biggest issue shown today they are getting hijacked by other special interests, fair play to everyone who turned out even if I don't agree with what the majority are protesting against which is simply not wanting to pay for water but I really hate to see any issue getting hijacked by self serving politician's or people trying to use this display for their own selfish purposes

gladrags

VinLieger wrote: »

Surely that has to be the biggest issue shown today they are getting hijacked by other special interests, fair play to everyone who turned out even if I don't agree with what the majority are protesting against which is simply not wanting to pay for water but I really hate to see any issue getting hijacked by self serving politician's or people trying to use this display for their own selfish purposes

That's exactly what you are doing,or trying to do.

Hijack this thread and lie,for self serving and irrelevant interests.

BoJack Horseman

gladrags wrote: »

Hijack this thread and lie,for self serving and irrelevant interests.

What lie?

donvito99

gladrags wrote: »

That's exactly what you are doing,or trying to do.

Hijack this thread and lie,for self serving and irrelevant interests.

He's expressing his honest opinion about protests being used as a means to further political careers. Because someone has a different view as you does not mean the thread's hijacked.

hju6

donvito99 wrote: »

He's expressing his honest opinion about protests being used as a means to further political careers. Because someone has a different view as you does not mean the thread's hijacked.

No he is deflecting

BoJack Horseman

hju6 wrote: »

No he is deflecting

Deflecting what exactly?

kefir32

I attended Galway protest. While I agree with water charges in principle I absolutely detest the monster of a quango this Irish water is/will become!!!!! I'm sick of this entitlement culture that wouldn't be out of place in 1980s Wall Street. I will pay for water but has to be commensurate reduction in usc and total abolition of Irish waster/water.

Highflyer13

What is the next step now? Will there be more organized protests? They should have another big one in Dublin and bus in people from all over the country. Id say it would be bigger than the Oct 11th march,

cajonlardo

VinLieger wrote: »

According to the Journal's Liveblog Mary Lou was at the one in Cabra

Not sure why you ae directing that at me?

She is anti water charge. There was an organised peaceful and lawful protest.
in a democratic country. I am baffled as to where the problem is?

Tell you what.
Why don't all you lot go ahead and organise a Pro Water Charge March. When you get tens of thousands marching we might take notice of something you say.

Highflyer13

Highflyer13 wrote: »

What is the next step now? Will there be more organized protests? They should have another big one in Dublin and bus in people from all over the country. Id say it would be bigger than the Oct 11th march,

Dublin traders would love that! They're already losing out from people avoiding the area due to planned protests. However, I agree that one big meeting would be more effective than having a lot of small ones.

tayto lover

At the protest in Dundalk a speaker told all the political parties inc Sinn Fein that the people would not tolerate any party who would vote for water charges. Sinn Fein not in charge today at all. Loads of working people there and certainly not run by SF.

BoJack Horseman

kefir32 wrote: »

I will pay for water but has to be commensurate reduction in usc and total abolition of Irish waster/water.

You are in luck Kefir.

For a worker on the average Ind wage, the USC for 2015 will be €174 less.

The cost of IW for an adult in 2015: €178.
(With an additional €100 tax credit).

Looks like you got your wish & you didn't even know it!

gladrags

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Deflecting what exactly?

A lie

cajonlardo

How are traders losing money?
tens of thousands don't go into the city with lunch boxes and fizzy drinks. No way people come from around the country and don't buy a few bits.

BoJack Horseman

gladrags wrote: »

A lie

Which was?

( like drawing blood from a turnip this)