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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭Augmerson


    Satriale wrote: »
    I went to Limerick yesterday, great atmosphere despite the rain lashing down.
    FG, when you see people going out in weather like that, you are in big fcukin trouble.

    Everybody seemed to be respectable, well mannered /dressed. Nobody drinking flagons of cider/ abusing the Gardai.
    I asked a few people to come two did (both working) two didnt (both on the dole, "Waste of time" and "Er, no thanks")


    My only issue was a couple of Fwords that slipped out in the speeches, there were kids present, but i dont think they did any permanent damage! :)

    FWIW, I measured the area in Bedford Row on Bing and worked out that there were between 3000-3500 people in the crowd.

    Cant wait for the next one!!

    I was in Portlaoise. It was just ordinary people, the kind you meet on the street or in the shops, of all ages, all walks of life. Been trying to guesstimate the crowd, maybe 4,000 or more. There was a speech towards the end and they said another march would take place on December 6th. I could see a lot of people mentally chalk that date down.

    There was a certain element of restoring some dignity yesterday, after years of being seen to meekly accepting the bull****. You could see it for some people, and even with the rain it didn't hold them back.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    pc7 wrote: »
    If the quangos and waste were addressed along with the above we wouldn't need to pay more.

    Really? Let's have a look and see if you are right. (Answer is self explanatory)List of Quangos:

    In 2012, there are 732 Quangos
    Irish Quangos
    Advisory Board for Irish Aid

    Advisory Committee for Human Medicine
    Advisory Council for English Language Schools
    Advisory Committee for Medical Devices
    Advisory Council to the Commission for Taxi Regulation
    Advisory Science Council
    Aer Lingus
    An Bord Bia
    An Bord Pleanála
    An Bord Uchtala
    An Chomhairle um Oideachas Gaeltachta & Gaelscolaíochta
    An Coimisiun Logainmneacha
    An Daingean Education Support Centre
    Animal Remedies Consultative Committee
    An Post
    An Post National Lottery Company
    Aquacultural Licensing Appeals Board
    Arbour Hill Prison Visiting Committee
    Ardee Town Council
    Arklow Town Council
    Arklow Harbour Commissioners
    Army Pensions Board
    Arts Council, The
    Athlone Town Council
    Athy Town Council
    Athlone Education Support Centre
    Athlone Institute of Technology
    Attorney General, Office of the
    Balbriggan Town Council
    Ballina Town Council
    Ballinasloe Town Council
    Baltimore and Skibbereen Harbour Commissioners
    Ballybay Town Council
    Ballyshannon Town Council
    Bandon Town Council
    Bantry Bay Harbour Commissioners
    Bantry Town Council
    Beaumont Hospital Board
    Belturbet Town Council
    Birr Town Council
    Blanchardstown IT
    Blackrock Education Support Centre
    Board of the Adelaide and Meath Hospital
    Board of the Commissioners for Charitable Donations


    Board of Trinity College
    Board for the Employment of the Blind


    Bookmakers appeals committee
    Boyle Town Council
    Bray Town Council
    Buncrana Town Council
    Bundoran Town Council
    Bord Altranais
    Bord Gais
    Bord Iascaigh Mhara
    Bord na gCon
    Bord na Leabhar Gaeilge
    Bord na Mona
    Bord o Ulster-Scotch
    Bord Scannan na hEireann (check for duplication)
    BreastCheck The National Cancer Screening Service
    Broadcasting Authority of Ireland
    Broadcasting Commission of Ireland
    Broadcasting Complaints Commission
    Building Regulations Advisory Board
    Carlow County Enterprise Board
    Carlow Education Support Centre
    Carlow County Council
    Carlow Town Council
    Carrickmacross Town Council
    Carrick-on-Shannon Education Support Centre
    Carrick-on-Suir Town Council
    Cashel Town Council
    Castlebar Town Council
    Castleblayney Town Council
    Castlerea Prison Visiting Committee
    Cavan County Council
    Cavan Town Council
    Cavan County Enterprise Board
    Cavan Education Support Centre
    Carlow IT
    Censorship of Publications Board
    Censorship of Publications Appeal Board
    Central Bank and Financial Services Authority of Ireland
    Censorship of Films Appeal Board
    Central Fisheries Board
    Central Statistics Office
    Chester Beatty Library
    Chief Medical Officer of the Civil Service
    Chief State Solicitor, Office of the
    Children Acts Advisory Board
    Circuit Court Rules Committee
    Citizens Information Board


    An Chomhairle Leabharlanna

    Citizens Information Board
    Civil Defence Board
    Civil Service Arbitration Board
    Civil Service Disciplinary Code Appeal Board
    Clare County Council
    Clare County Enterprise Board
    Clare Education Support Centre
    Classification of Films Appeal Board
    Clonakilty Town Council
    Clones Town Council
    Clonmel Borough Council[/COLOR]

    Cobh Town Council
    Cootehill Town Council
    Cloverhill Prison Visiting Committee
    COFORD
    Coillte
    Consumer Liaison Panel
    Coimisiún Logainmneacha, An
    Coiste an Asgard
    Combat Poverty Agency
    Comhairle na Nimheanna
    Comhar Sustainable Development Council
    Comhairle na Tuaithe
    Commission for Aviation Regulation
    Commission for Communications Regulation
    Committee on Court Practice and Procedure
    Commission for Energy Regulation
    Committee for Performance Awards
    Commission for Public Service Appointments, Office of the
    Commission for Taxi Regulation
    Commission for the Support of Victims of Crime
    Commissioner of Valuation and Boundary Survey of Ireland, Office of
    the Commissioners of Charitable Donations and Bequests
    Companies Registration Office
    Company Law Review Group
    Competition Authority
    Competition Law Review Group
    Comptroller and Auditor General, Office of
    Connemara & Árann Education Support Centre
    Consultative Council on Hepatitis C
    Córas Iompair Eireann
    Cork Airport Authority
    Cork City Council
    Cork County Council
    Cork City Enterprise Board
    Cork Education Support Centre
    Cork IT
    Cork North Enterprise Board
    Cork Port Authority
    Cork Prison Visiting Committee
    Cork University Dental School and Hospital
    Council of National Cultural Institutions
    Courts Service
    Crafts Council of Ireland
    Crawford Gallery Cork
    Credit Union Advisory Committee
    Criminal Injuries Compensation Tribunal
    Crisis Pregnancy Agency
    Culture Ireland
    Decentralisation Implementation Group
    Dental Council
    Dental Health Foundation
    Designated Areas Appeals Advisory Board(
    Development Education Advisory Committee
    Digital Hub Development Agency
    Dion Advisory Committee (WTF?)
    Disabled Drivers Medical Board Appeal
    District Court Rules Committee
    Donegal County Enterprise Board
    Donegal County Council
    Donegal Education Centre
    Dormant Accounts Board
    Drogheda Ports Authority
    Drogheda Borough Council
    Droichead Nua Town Council
    Drug Treatment Centre Board
    Drumcondra Education Centre
    Dublin Airport Authority
    Dublin City Council
    Dublin City University
    Dublin City Enterprise Board
    Dublin Dental Hospital Board
    Dublin Docklands Development Authority (ho ho ho)
    Dublin Docklands Development Council (ho ho ho)
    Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies
    Dublin IT
    Dublin Port Authority
    Dublin Transport Office
    Dublin West Education Support Centre
    Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council
    Dundalk Town Council
    Dungarvan Town Council
    Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Enterprise Board
    Dun Laoghaire Port Authority
    Dundalk IT
    Dundalk Education Support Centre[/B]

    Eastern Regional Fisheries Board
    Economic and Social Research Institute
    Economic and Social Research Institute Committee on Top-Level
    Appointments in the Civil Commission on Public Service Appointments
    Edenderry Town Council
    Education Finance Board
    Ennis Town Council
    Enniscorthy Town Council
    Eirgrid
    Employment Appeals Authority
    Employment Appeals Tribunal Engineering and Technology
    Enterprise Ireland
    Environmental Information Service
    Environmental Protection Agency
    Equality Authority
    ESB
    Equality Tribunal
    European Regional Development Fund
    European Social Fund Financial Control Unit
    Expert Group on Future Skills Needs
    Fáilte Ireland
    Family Support Agency
    Farm Animal Welfare Advisory Council
    FÁS
    FÁS International Consulting Limited (ho ho ho)
    Fermoy Town Council
    Financial Regulator
    Financial Services Ombudsman’s Bureau
    Financial Services Authority of Ireland
    Financial Services Consultative Consumer Panel
    Financial Services Consultative Industry Panel
    Financial Services Ombudsman Council
    Fingal County Council
    Fingal County Enterprise Board
    Fire Services Council
    Fisheries Co-Op Societies x 8 (To check and split)
    Food Safety Authority of Ireland
    Food Safety Consultative Council
    Food Safety Consultative Council
    Food Safety Promotion Board
    Foram na Gaeilge
    Foras na Gaeilge
    Forces Canteen Board
    Forensic Science Laboratory
    Forfás
    Further Education & Training Awards Council
    Foyle, Carlingford and Irish Lights Commission
    Fulbright Commission
    Further Education and Training Awards Commission
    Galway County Council
    Galway City Council
    Galway Ports Authority
    Galway-Mayo IT
    Gaisce Gradam an Uachtarain
    Galway City and County Enterprise Board
    Galway Education Centre
    Garda Siochana Complaints Board
    Garda Siochana Complaints Appeal Board
    Gorey Town Council
    Gort a Choirce Education Support Centre
    Government Emigrant Services Advisory Committee


    Grangegorman Development Agency
    Granard Town Council
    Greystones Town Council
    Health and Safety Authority of Ireland
    Health & Social Care Professionals Council
    Health Information and Quality Authority
    Health Insurance Authority
    Health Repayment Scheme Appeals Office
    Health Research Board
    Health Service Executive
    Heritage Council, The
    Higher Education Authority
    Higher Education and Training Awards Council
    High Level Group on Business Regulation (ho ho ho)
    Hepatitis C and HIV Compensation Tribunal:
    Hospital Trust Board
    Horse Racing Ireland
    Houses of the Oireachtas Commission
    Housing Finance Agency
    Hunger Task Force
    Independent Commission for the Location of Victim’s Remains
    Independent Commission on Decomissioning
    Independent Monitoring Commission
    Independent Monitoring Committee for Refugee Legal Services
    Industrial Development Authority
    Information Commissioner, Office of the
    Injuries Board
    Inland Fisheries Board
    Institute of Art Design and Technology, Dun Laoghaire
    Institute of Public Administration
    Institute of Public Administration
    Institute of Public Health
    Central Bank of Ireland
    Integrate Ireland Language and Training Awards
    Integrated Ticketing Project Board
    International Education Board of Ireland
    Internet Advisory Board
    Intertrade Ireland
    Investor Compensation Company (WTF?)
    Ireland Newfoundland Partnership Board
    Irish-American Economics Advisory Board
    Irish Auditing & Accountancy Supervisory Authority
    Irish Aviation Authority
    Irish Blood Transfusion Services Board, The
    Irish Council for Bioethics
    Irish Dental Health Authority
    Irish Expert Body on Fluorides and Health
    Irish Film Board
    Irish Film Classification Office
    Irish Financial Services Appeals Tribunal (check for dupe)
    Irish Financial Services Regulatory Body (check for dupe)
    Irish Human Rights Commission
    Irish Legal Terms Advisory Committee
    Irish Manuscripts Commission
    Irish Medicines Board
    Irish Museum of Modern Art
    Irish National Stud
    Irish National Opera
    Irish National Petroleum Ltd
    Irish Prison Service
    Irish Research Council for the Humanities
    Irish Research Council for Science, Engineering and Technology
    Irish Sports Council
    Irish Water Safety Association
    Judicial Appointments Advisory Board
    Kells Town Council
    Kerry County Council
    Kerry County Enterprise Board
    Kildare County Council
    Kilkee Town Council
    Kilkenny Borough Council
    Kilkenny County Council
    Killarney Town Council
    Kilrush Town Council
    Kinsale Town Council
    Kildare County Enterprise Board
    Kildare Education centre
    Kilkenny County Enterprise Board
    Kilkenny Education Support Centre
    Kilrush Urban District Council
    Kinsale Harbour Commissioners
    Labour Court: (€164,464 per annum for three years) Enterprise
    Minister Batt O’Keeffe reappointed Kevin Duffy as Chairman in November
    2010).
    Labour Relations Commission
    Land Registry
    Laois County Council
    Laois County Enterprise Board
    Laois Education Centre
    Law Reform Commission
    Leargas The Exchange Bureau
    Legal Aid Board
    Leitrim County Council
    Leitrim Enterprise Board
    Leixlip Town Council
    Leopardstown Park Hospital Board
    Letterkenny IT
    Letterkenny Town Council
    Limerick City Council
    Limerick County Council
    Limerick City Enterprise Board
    Limerick County Enterprise Board
    Limerick Education Centre
    Limerick IT
    Limerick Northside Regeneration Agency
    Limerick Prison Visiting Committee
    Limerick Southside Regeneration Agency
    Lismore Town Council
    Listowel Town Council
    Local Drugs Taskforces
    Local Government Computer Services Board
    Local Government Management Services Board (No fees payable to
    Members)
    Local Registration of Deeds and Title Rules Committee
    Longford County Council
    Longford Town Council
    Longford Enterprise Board
    Loughan Prison Visiting Committee
    Loughrea Town Council
    Louth County Council
    Louth County Enterprise BoardMacroom Town Council
    Mallow Town Council
    Marine Institute
    Mayo County Council
    Mayo Education Centre
    Mayo Enterprise Board
    Meath County Council
    Meath Enterprise Board
    Medical Bureau of Road Safety
    Medical Council
    Mental Health Commission
    Mental Health Criminal Law Review Board
    Met Eireann
    Midlands Prison Visiting Committee
    Midleton Town Council
    Mining Board
    Monaghan County Council
    Monaghan Town Council
    Monaghan Education Centre
    Monaghan Enterprise Board
    Mountjoy Prison Visiting Committee
    Mountmellick Town Council
    Mullingar Town Council
    Muinebheag Town Council
    Naas Town Council
    National Adult Learning Council
    National Advisory Committee on Drugs
    National Archives
    National Authority for Occupational Safety & Health
    National Building Agency
    National Cancer Registry, Ireland
    National Cancer Screening Services Board
    National Centre for Guidance in Education
    National Centre for Partnership and Performance
    National Centre for Technology in Education
    National Childcare Coordinating Committee
    National Children’s Advisory Council
    National College of Art and Design
    National College of Ireland
    National Competitiveness Council
    National Concert Hall
    National Consultative Committee on Racism and Interculturalism
    National Consumer Agency
    National Council for Curriculum and Assessment
    National Council for Special Education
    National Council for the Professional Development of Nursing and Midwifery
    National Council on Ageing and Older People
    National Crime Council
    National Development Agency
    National Development Plan Community Support Framework Evaluation Unit
    National Development Plan Community Support Framework Information Office
    National Development Plan Community Support Framework Information Technology Unit
    National Disability Authority
    National Drugs Strategy Team
    National Economic and Social Council
    National Economic and Social Development Office
    National Economic and Social Forum
    National Education Welfare Board
    National Employment Rights Authority
    National Framework Committee for Work/Life Balance
    National Forum on Europe
    National Gallery of Ireland
    National Haemophilia Council
    National Library of Ireland
    National Maternity Hospital
    National Milk Agency
    National Monitoring Committee Overseeing the Operation of the Rapid
    Programme
    National Museum of Ireland
    National Oil Reserves Agency (aka Shell Ireland?)
    National Paediatric Hospital Development Board
    National Pensions Reserve Commission (bye bye lads)
    National Property Services Regulatory Authority
    National Qualifications Authority of Ireland
    National Rehabilitation Authority
    National Road Safety Authority (check for dupes above/below)
    National Treatment Purchase Fund
    National Roads Authority
    National Safety Council
    National Salmon Commission
    National Social Work Qualifications Board
    National Standards Authority Ireland
    National Treasury Management Agency
    National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission
    National Development Finance Agency
    National Social Work Qualifications Board
    National Sports Campus Development Authority
    National Standards Authority of Ireland
    National Statistics Board
    National Tourism Development Agency
    National Traveller Accomodation Committee
    National Treatment Purchase Fund
    National Treasury Management Agency Advisory (check for dupes)
    Navan Education Centre
    National University of Ireland
    National Youth Work Advisory Council
    Navan Town Council
    Nenagh Town Council
    New Ross Town Council
    New Ross Port Authority
    Nitrogin Eireann Teoranta
    North Tipperary County Council
    North Western Regional Fisheries Board
    Northern Regional Fisheries Board
    NUI Galway
    NUI Maynooth
    Offaly County Council
    Offaly County Enterprise Board
    Office for Tobacco Control
    Office of the Data Protection Commissioner
    Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement
    Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
    Office of the Film Censor (Since merged and renamed-check)
    Office of the Refugee Applications Commissioner
    Office of the Revenue Commissioners
    Office of the Ombudsman
    Office of the Information Commissioner
    Office of the Inspector of Prisons
    Office of the Chief Medical Officer for the Civil Service
    Office of the Appeal Commissioners
    Office of Public Works
    Office of the Appeal Commissioners for the purposes of the Tax Acts
    Oifig Choimisineir na d’Teangacha Ofigiula
    Ombudsman for Children, Office of the
    Ombudsman, Office of the
    Ombudsman for the Defence Forces
    Opticians Board
    Ordinance Survey Ireland
    Outside Appointments Board
    Parole Board
    Passage West Town Council
    Patents Agents Board (check for dupe below)
    Patents Office
    Pensions Board
    Pensions Ombudsman
    Performance Verification Group: Civil Service
    Performance Verification Group: Education Sector
    Performance Verification Group: Health Service
    Performance Verification Group: Justice and Equality Sector
    Performance Verification Group: Local Government
    Personal Injuries Assessment Board
    Pharmaceutical Society of Ireland
    Pobal
    Poisons Council
    Portlaoise Prison Visiting Committee
    Portlaoise Town Council
    Port of Cork (Authority?)
    Port of Waterford Company
    Postgraduate Medical and Dental Board
    Pre-Hospital Emergency Care Council
    Press Council of Ireland
    Prisons Authority Interim Board
    Private Residential Tenancies Board
    Private Security Appeals Board
    Private Security Authority
    Probation Service
    Property Registration Authority
    Public Appointments Service
    Public Services Benchmarking Body
    Public Transport Partnership Forum
    Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland
    Radio Telefis Eireann
    Railway Procurement Agency
    Railway Safety Advisory Council
    Railway Safety Commission
    Registrar of Friendly Societies, Office of the
    Registration of Titles Rules Committee
    Registry of Deeds
    RELAY
    Remembrance Commission
    Rent Tribunal
    Revenue Body on Higher Remuneration in the Public Service (bye bye
    lads)
    River Moy Commissioners
    Revenue Commissioners, Office of the

    Roscommon County Council
    Roscommon County Enterprise Board
    Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland
    Royal Irish Academy
    Royal Irish Academy of Music
    Royal Victoria Eye and Ear Hospital (Board?)
    Safefood
    Scientific Committee of the Food Safety Authority
    Science Foundation Ireland
    Sea-Fisheries Protection Authority
    Sealuchais Arachais Teoranta
    Shannon Airport Authority
    Shannon Development
    Shannon Foynes Port
    Shannon Regional Fisheries Board
    Shannon Town Council
    Shelton Abbey Place of Detention Visiting Committee
    Skibbereen Town Council
    Skillnets.Ltd
    Sligo Borough Council
    Sligo County Council
    Sligo County Enterprise Board
    Sligo Education Support Centre
    Sligo IT
    Small Business Forum – Implementation Group
    Social Welfare Appeals Office
    Social Welfare Tribunal Board (check name and possible dupe above)
    South Western Regional Fisheries Board
    Special EU Programmes Body
    State Claims Agency
    State Claims Agency Policy Committee
    State Examinations Committee
    State Pathologist’s Office
    South Cork Enterprise Board
    South Dublin Enterprise Board
    South Dublin County Council
    South Tipperary County Council
    Superior Court Rules Committee
    St James’ Hospital Board
    St Luke’s Hospital Board (Hmm)
    St Patrick’s Institution Visiting Committee
    Standards in Public Office Commission
    State Laboratory
    Sustainable Energy Ireland
    Tallaght IT
    Tarbert Education Support Centre
    Taskforce on Special Aid for the Elderly
    Teacher’s Arbitration Board
    Teaching Council, The
    Teagasc
    Templemore Town Council
    TG4
    The Abbey Theatre
    The Arts Council
    The Building Regulations Advisory Body
    The Competition Authority (check for dupe)
    The Heritage Council (check to see whether this is yet another Anglo
    heritage tea party)
    The Marine Casualty Investigation Board
    The President’s Award – Gaisce (check for dupe)
    The Teaching Council
    Thurles Education Support Centre
    Thurles Town Council
    Tipperary North County Enterprise Board
    Tipperary South County Enterprise Board
    Tipperary Institute (of Technology
    Top Levels Appointment Committee (check for dupe with PS body)
    Tourism College Killybegs
    Tourism Ireland (North/South Body)
    Trade Mark Agents Board
    Training Unit Place of Detention Visiting Committee
    Tralee and Fenit Harbour Commissioners
    Tralee Education Support Centre
    Tralee Institute of Technology
    Trinity College Dublin (check for dupe with ‘Board of’)
    Tipperary Town Council
    Tralee Town Council
    Tramore Town Council
    Trim Town Council
    Tuam Education Support Centre
    Tuam Town Council
    Tullamore Town Council
    Údarás na Gaeltachta
    University College Cork
    University College Dublin
    University of Limerick
    Valuation Office Ireland
    Valuation Tribunal
    Veterinary Council of Ireland
    Voluntary Health Insurance Board
    Waterford City Council
    Waterford County Council
    Waterford Institute of Technology
    Waterford Port Authority
    Waterways Ireland
    Westmeath County Council
    Westport Town Council
    Wexford Borough Council
    Wexford County Council
    Wexford Harbour Commissioners
    Western Development Commission
    Western Regional Fisheries Board
    Westport Harbour Commissioners
    Wheatfield Prison Visiting Committee
    Wicklow County Council
    Wicklow Town Council
    Wicklow Port Authority
    Women’s Health Council
    Youghal Town Council
    Youghal Urban District Council[/B]


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 479 ✭✭In Lonesome Dove


    What I reckon could happen, with the latest polls showing only 2 out of five (40%) intending to pay any water charges.

    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/water/nations-reaction/open-revolt-shock-poll-reveals-coalition-in-meltdown-30710576.html
    There isn't a snowballs chance in hell that Irish Water can continue in its current form, without revenues coming in, it will have to fall.

    If that happens, and with all the cash wasted on its creation, expect a serious backlash from within FG and Labour.

    Enda revealed yesterday what we all knew.


    Irish Water was never about improving water quality, infrastructure, or conserving water.

    With his "raise income tax by 4%" threat, he showed his true colours. The Govt want another Revenue stream. Pure and simple.

    This is it. I saw these water charges for day one for what it was - a money raising exercise to bridge the deficit. The country has a deficit as in there's not enough money between income and expenditure. In the not so recent past we saw cutbacks like for example in the HSE to which theatres closed as a result, for one example. Yet, the government were able to find millions of euro to set up this IW company. At a time when we saw social welfare dropped for youngsters. Working schemes set up for the unemployed with nany people doing a full working week for their 100, 140, 188 euro dole, topped up by 50. We saw that the government were able to find 100s of thousands to pay out in the form of pay packs and bonuses.

    I would have been able for a flat fee from the council rather than seeing the IW company which is a smack in the face for so many people taking us all for mugs and making an absolute mockery out from us.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 479 ✭✭In Lonesome Dove


    Satriale wrote: »
    I went to Limerick yesterday, great atmosphere despite the rain lashing down.
    FG, when you see people going out in weather like that, you are in big fcukin trouble.

    Everybody seemed to be respectable, well mannered /dressed. Nobody drinking flagons of cider/ abusing the Gardai.
    I asked a few people to come two did (both working) two didnt (both on the dole, "Waste of time" and "Er, no thanks")


    My only issue was a couple of Fwords that slipped out in the speeches, there were kids present, but i dont think they did any permanent damage! :)

    FWIW, I measured the area in Bedford Row on Bing and worked out that there were between 3000-3500 people in the crowd.

    Cant wait for the next one!!

    I woke up yesterday morning and it was wet, cold and windy. I almost didn't go into my local protest. I attended some protests down through the years, the last before this water protest being about the Anglo tapes and I'd turn up to a protest with no more than a few hundred. It was great to see thousands out yesterday in spite of the cold rain and wind.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,907 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    I'm for water charges - and I think most reasonable people understand that this major serious project is needed.

    But - the more this has gone on , the more you actually feel , you know what, the government deserve this mess.

    It has just been handled wrong.

    But project is needed - conservation is needed.

    A nominal fee should have been the introductory fee - get people responsible for water. Increase water charge for irresponsible water use. The remainder of the project should have been considered a long term project, with cost spread into future - too fast, too ambitious , also not reasonable to expect 1.6 million households to pay for a 100 year problem - in such a short time .

    The single controlling body was needed - but this should have been set up , with good work practices and not linked to the work practices to an existing state body.

    But - the job needs to be done. The water system and in particular sewerage system, with raw sewage going into rivers etc. Is a national embarrassment.

    We need to take control of what the Victorians basically built for us.

    But the government has been over ambitious , and an ill timed over aggressive approach to this.

    They absolutely could have brought the population with them on this - it is a great infrastructural project and we haven't done anything like it in 80 years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Some of the groups on that list above seem to be just makey-up.It's as if somebody in power decided to set up a board/group to give jobs to the boys.
    They really do look after their own & we get the joy of paying for it all.:mad:


  • Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭Lucy and Harry


    Augmerson wrote: »
    They'll have to hire a third party to turn your water down. Apparently the councils won't do it.
    Can they turn mine down without effecting neighbours though,is it possible.If they turn it down then they cant ask for cash then??I do not trust this company with my familys pps numbers they could send them onto other people or may not be secure in keeping my personal data on file.

    conservation is needed.
    Indeed it is but this sham has nothing to do with conserving water.If we use less water you would think we would get charged less and conserve water but no they will charge you higher as they need profits for their company.It is about making profit from a national resource for a foreign company and paying back the banking loans and doing what the IMF says we need to do.
    it is a great infrastructural project and we haven't done anything like it in 80 years.
    No pipes have been fixed it is not about infrastructure the cash made is going on bonus for the top dogs and also cash will be going to pay back the IMF who own us still.No cash is going on some great infrastructure project that will solve leaking pipes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,907 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Pat Rabbite on Radio now - the government still not getting it.

    Pat - very able person , but the last thing they needed to send out on this.

    Also Labour - need to get with the people on this.
    "Yes we are doing it - but in a softer better way "


  • Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭Lucy and Harry


    Irish Water is facing fresh controversy this morning after it was revealed how much it plans to charge households to fix a leak.
    It comes as several senior members of Government are said to be hoping to change the company's CEO and board in an effort to defuse the growing public opposition to the charges.
    Householders with a suspected water leak are reported to be facing a minimum call-out charge of €188 from Irish Water.
    The Sunday Times reports that this fee covers any problem detected after the first fix, which will be free.
    The company has also sought permission to charge a minimum call-out fee for working out of office hours of €282 for the first hour and €141 for any additional hour.
    It is also believed to be seeking approval from the Commission for Energy Regulation to introduce a range of other charges - including a €220 fee to test water pressure, and a €17 fee for a special meter reading.


    Good luck paying these fees as this is what you will be getting in animal farm banana republic.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 84 ✭✭66ad


    [QUOTE=is it possible.If they turn it down then they cant ask for cash then?? [/QUOTE]


    This is what i was thinking, they can't put you in jail for non payment of a utility bill but can if you go to court get a fin for non payment and not pay that.

    If they can turn your pressusre down, surly they can't seek payment hence no fine and no jail time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    Remember remember the 5th of November, lets show Denis O Brien we're going to take down all his business interests until he disbands Irish Water and return the money he owes us!! Fresh from todays successful protest, the biggest in a very long time in Gaillimh, we should strike while the iron's hot and put them under more pressure asap. Lots of us live near a topaz and could drop down for an hour or 2 to show support. the station I know that are company owned are on College Road, Bohermore roundabout, Newcastle. Those driving could park their cars on the forecourts and join the picket line, we've got shelter from the rain if we need it and bottomless coffee on Denis :)

    https://www.facebook.com/events/1493991254196540/?ref=2&ref_dashboard_filter=upcoming


  • Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭Lucy and Harry


    It may be like the TV licence fee.If you have a tap you get fined if you do not pay.I just hope they do not tax air next.
    If nobody pays this company will not be able to run and pay wages to people to turn things off.All this talk of bonuses they want to give each other will be fubar if they have no cash coming in and will have to close the doors for business.

    near a topaz
    I will boycott them now.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭Augmerson


    On those quangos posted by Rightwing:

    Dublin Docklands Development Authority ???
    Dublin Docklands Development Council ???

    FÁS (understandable, next one is wtf)
    FÁS International Consulting Limited ???

    Financial Regulator*
    Financial Services Ombudsman’s Bureau
    Financial Services Authority of Ireland*
    Financial Services Consultative Consumer Panel
    Financial Services Consultative Industry Panel
    Financial Services Ombudsman Council
    Financial Services Appeals Tribunal
    Financial Services Regulatory Body*

    These are all the same I think? But the rest, apart from maybe Ombudsman, should be part of the Regulatory Body no?

    Food Safety Authority of Ireland
    Food Safety Consultative Council
    Food Safety Promotion Board
    Safefood
    Scientific Committee of the Food Safety Authority

    These are all doing pretty much the same job?


    Hunger Task Force ???

    Integrated Ticketing Project Board <---- busy lads
    Investor Compensation Company ????
    Ireland Newfoundland Partnership Board ????
    Irish-American Economics Advisory Board ???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Irish Water is facing fresh controversy this morning after it was revealed how much it plans to charge households to fix a leak.
    It comes as several senior members of Government are said to be hoping to change the company's CEO and board in an effort to defuse the growing public opposition to the charges.
    Householders with a suspected water leak are reported to be facing a minimum call-out charge of €188 from Irish Water.
    The Sunday Times reports that this fee covers any problem detected after the first fix, which will be free.
    The company has also sought permission to charge a minimum call-out fee for working out of office hours of €282 for the first hour and €141 for any additional hour.
    It is also believed to be seeking approval from the Commission for Energy Regulation to introduce a range of other charges - including a €220 fee to test water pressure, and a €17 fee for a special meter reading.


    Good luck paying these fees as this is what you will be getting in animal farm banana republic.

    Is that for leaks in your Meter?????

    Surely people will just get plumbers to do it as a nixer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,907 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Lucy and Harry.

    It is the starting phase of the company.

    It is the starting phase of the market. Creating a market like that , from a zero base , will take years .

    The government will set rules eventually on what payment to them will be based on. The CER will be the body to control this. It will take time to progressive the payment system to make Irish Water work to fix leaks etc. The market system will enable the Irish people to make the company work for them - they can set up penalties for leaks etc.

    The more water meters in - the easier it is to see where leaks are. People misunderstand that with good analysis (simple) the more meters - the easier it is to find leaks.

    It is a bit glib to say it is about bonuses - there was about 200 bodies looking after water - yes looks like some bad work practices have got in from older bodies.

    But the savings will be incredible bringing this into one body.


  • Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭Lucy and Harry


    Householders with a suspected water leak are reported to be facing a minimum call-out charge of €188 from Irish Water.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Pat Rabbite on Radio now - the government still not getting it.

    Pat - very able person , but the last thing they needed to send out on this.

    Also Labour - need to get with the people on this.
    "Yes we are doing it - but in a softer better way "

    You do realise that the pro-brigade just thanked the first 4 words of this post:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92864312&postcount=8566

    They will not agree with the rest of it & now your criticism of Pat Rabbite.

    The country was awash with money yet nothing was done to upgrade the water network.The ESB was working 7 days a week upgrading it's network while the money was there,the sensible way of doing things.Now that the population are living from day to day the government decide to add another bill to the list.
    IW isn't there to help the people obtain clean drinking water or to campaign for conservation,it's there to make money.If work on upgrades to pipelines is needed in an area,it's still up to LA's to do it.You won't see an IW employee holding a shovel.The simple solution was to provide what was meant to go to LA's from the property tax for these works and forget about setting up a quango who's only remit seems to be tax collection.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Householders with a suspected water leak are reported to be facing a minimum call-out charge of €188 from Irish Water.

    Water leak where?

    In your house?

    At the Meter?


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    Householders with a suspected water leak are reported to be facing a minimum call-out charge of €188 from Irish Water.

    Yes, but how much would/do they pay a local plumber for the same work? If it's on their own property, it's their own decision who they hire. The same with Telecom. They won't come past the connection box without you paying, but an electrician would do the same job for a lot less.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,907 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Irish Water is facing fresh controversy this morning after it was revealed how much it plans to charge households to fix a leak.
    It comes as several senior members of Government are said to be hoping to change the company's CEO and board in an effort to defuse the growing public opposition to the charges.
    Householders with a suspected water leak are reported to be facing a minimum call-out charge of €188 from Irish Water.
    The Sunday Times reports that this fee covers any problem detected after the first fix, which will be free.
    The company has also sought permission to charge a minimum call-out fee for working out of office hours of €282 for the first hour and €141 for any additional hour.
    It is also believed to be seeking approval from the Commission for Energy Regulation to introduce a range of other charges - including a €220 fee to test water pressure, and a €17 fee for a special meter reading.


    Good luck paying these fees as this is what you will be getting in animal farm banana republic.


    It is fantastic they are fixing first leak free.

    The amount of water and money saved from this will be very large.

    Some dude was using a swimming pool of water a week - he got it fixed himself - fair play to him. Again this is treated water - very expensive to make.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    Is that for leaks in your Meter?????

    Surely people will just get plumbers to do it as a nixer.

    Why should you, if it's thier fault? Why should you pay anyone as if it's your fault?
    Cos they say it's so?
    And cos they "say" it's you're fault that's you're (first) "free" fix done for!


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,055 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    My god just saw the comments in yesterday's journal post

    http://www.thejournal.ie/enda-kenny-water-charges-or-tax-increase-1757747-Nov2014/

    The ignorance displayed is astounding, whatever your opinion on IW and how it work's which I agree with that it's disgusting, so many people still cannot grasp the concept that we are fubar if we don't pay for how much water we use and do it FAST


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,326 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It wasn't any more. This protest was much smaller than the last. The next one will probably be smaller again.

    From what I saw, and I was actually there, there was a lot more than just 10,000 marching. I'd say there was that number alnow walking down the quays.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    deco nate wrote: »
    Why should you, if it's thier fault? Why should you pay anyone as if it's your fault?
    Cos they say it's so?
    And cos they "say" it's you're fault that's you're "free" fix done for!

    That's why I'm asking, is it leaks at the meter?


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    VinLieger wrote: »
    My god just saw the comments in yesterday's journal post

    http://www.thejournal.ie/enda-kenny-water-charges-or-tax-increase-1757747-Nov2014/

    The ignorance displayed is astounding, whatever your opinion on IW and how it work's which I agree with that it's disgusting, so many people still cannot grasp the concept that we are fubar if we don't pay for how much water we use and do it FAST

    The government got a vast amount of money from the property tax and rather than giving it to councils as was promised they paid bondholders and funded the setting up of IW while only providing a fraction of it for LA's.This money could have been set aside for such projects as replacing old pipes,building new treatment plants but no-it was wasted! Another lie by Enda & Co. "Local Services" me hole!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,486 ✭✭✭tigger123


    zerks wrote: »
    The government got a vast amount of money from the property tax and rather than giving it to councils as was promised they paid bondholders and funded the setting up of IW while only providing a fraction of it for LA's.This money could have been set aside for such projects as replacing old pipes,building new treatment plants but no-it was wasted! Another lie by Enda & Co. "Local Services" me hole!!

    Source?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    That's why I'm asking, is it leaks at the meter?

    From what I have heard, they are blaming it on anything but thier installers, may or may not be true.. Also a lot of people in new ESTATE go thru
    1 pipe.. Soo if you are the unlucky one that they pipe up, tuff ****e. Good luck with trying to talk to them about paying for you're neighbours.
    Yet another fault with the system.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,055 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    zerks wrote: »
    The government got a vast amount of money from the property tax and rather than giving it to councils as was promised they paid bondholders and funded the setting up of IW while only providing a fraction of it for LA's.This money could have been set aside for such projects as replacing old pipes,building new treatment plants but no-it was wasted! Another lie by Enda & Co. "Local Services" me hole!!

    Okay yeah that suck's but being angry and pointing finger's won't actually fix the problem that the country will all be like roscommon in 10-20 year's unless we do something now, the vast majority of people protesting are happy to stick their finger's in their ears and shout about PPS number's and bonus's which I do agree with but then ignore the fact that our water infrastructure needs to be maintained and paying by use is the only FAIR way to do it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Source?

    Google.;)


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