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    #8852
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,326 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Free country sure, but if you allow "people" (dirt is more accurate) like that to associate with your movement that you can't be surprised with people associate your movement with dirt like him.

    Only ignorant people.

    And nobody really cares what "associations" they'll try to make.

    ;)


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    #8853
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    You do not put stuff in the constitution about bloody utilities. There is enough superfluous stuff in there as it is about society that has nothing to do with structuring a republic.

    Joe Costello or anyone else who suggests a referendum is a cretin.

    Although I've suggested it myself I agree with you that is poor use of the constitution.
    How about legislation that specifies a minimum of 60% before it can be reversed?


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    #8854
    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Tax the rich.that's people before profits stance.

    God help us if these ever had any power.


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    #8855
    twowheelsgood
    Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭twowheelsgood


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Green shoots....
    I think you have been predicting the demise of this government 5 times a day from about 20 minutes after they get into power. I guess you have to be right eventually. :)


    Out of curiosity, do you give any credit to the government for our economic recovery since they came to power? Or do you even acknowledge that there even has been a recovery?


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    #8856
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    There are other choices, including inflating our way out of it instead of more and more prohibitive austerity. You know that as well as Enda does

    Have you run that one past the ECB, they might have a passing interest in your proposal.


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    #8857
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    You do not put stuff in the constitution about bloody utilities. There is enough superfluous stuff in there as it is about society that has nothing to do with structuring a republic.

    Joe Costello or anyone else who suggests a referendum is a cretin.

    Utilities are the health and economic prosperity of the nation
    And as such should be embedded in the constitution


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    #8858
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,522 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    No its not. Its about not paying for water. http://www.right2water.ie/about


    Theres nothing stopping you not getting mains water and fending for yourself, nothing at all. You wont be required to pay IW a penny.

    Wrong, if you are connected to a main sewer, there is a charge for waste water disposal, and if you're not taking mains water, I am guessing that you will pay a flat fee for the use of the waste water service.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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    #8859
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    twowheelsgood wrote: »
    I think you have been predicting the demise of this government 5 times a day from about 20 minutes after they get into power. I guess you have to be right eventually. :)


    Out of curiosity, do you give any credit to the government for our economic recovery since they came to power? Or do you even acknowledge that there even has been a recovery?

    The citizens of Ireland and the troika saved this country


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    #8860
    twowheelsgood
    Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭twowheelsgood


    hju6 wrote: »
    The citizens of Ireland and the troika saved this country
    So if a government has no effect then there's no point in replacing them with another one?

    Maybe we could convert the Dáil in to a hotel? :pac:


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    #8861
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    FG need to get their shyte together, fast. I, for one, don't want to live in a state governed by SF.


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    #8862
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,522 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    hju6 wrote: »
    Utilities are the health and economic prosperity of the nation
    And as such should be embedded in the constitution

    If the system was working as it was originally intended to, then constitutional protection of utilities would not have been needed,

    BUT, and it's a VERY BIG BUT, given the corruption, sleeveen politicians and the strokes that they've pulled in recent years, the people need some extra protection that has to be at a constitutional level in order to give us back some of the control that we thought we had.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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    #8863
    twowheelsgood
    Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭twowheelsgood


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    FG need to get their shyte together, fast. I, for one, don't want to live in a state governed by SF.

    Don't worry. SF have no intention of going into government any time soon.


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    #8864
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    hju6 wrote: »
    Utilities are the health and economic prosperity of the nation
    And as such should be embedded in the constitution
    Free utilities for everyone yeah?


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    #8865
    Highflyer13
    Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Highflyer13


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    FG need to get their shyte together, fast. I, for one, don't want to live in a state governed by SF.

    Dare I say it but we are well and truly f**ked next election. Nobody there I want to give my vote to.


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    #8866
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    twowheelsgood wrote: »
    So if a government has no effect then there's no point in replacing them with another one?

    Maybe we could convert the Dáil in to a hotel? :pac:

    Or a place with a biased referee and a load of shouty idiots


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    #8867
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Dont know if anyone posted this yet but......

    Water charges:

    Milan €0.40 / 1000 litres

    Athens €0.78 / 1000 litres

    Madrid €0.99 / 1000 litres

    Irish Water €4.88 / 1000 litres


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    #8868
    DamagedTrax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    Dare I say it but we are well and truly f**ked next election. Nobody there I want to give my vote to.

    bar a few independents on the fringes, i feel the same.

    to quote a famous Scottish junkie "its a shyte state of affairs to be in".


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    #8869
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Free utilities for everyone yeah?

    Please don't resort to embarrassing yourself


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    #8870
    DamagedTrax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    Smidge wrote: »
    Dont know if anyone posted this yet but......

    Water charges:

    Milan €0.40 / 1000 litres

    Athens €0.78 / 1000 litres

    Madrid €0.99 / 1000 litres

    Irish Water €4.88 / 1000 litres

    3 out of 4 of those countries arent known for excessive wetness.


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    #8871
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    DamagedTrax wrote: »
    3 out of 4 of those countries arent known for excessive wetness.

    Exactly


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    #8872
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,046 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Smidge wrote: »
    Dont know if anyone posted this yet but......

    Water charges:

    Milan €0.40 / 1000 litres

    Athens €0.78 / 1000 litres

    Madrid €0.99 / 1000 litres

    Irish Water €4.88 / 1000 litres

    What will be the effect of each house getting 30,000 litres before charging kicks in on that calculation. Or the effect of the capped charge which will apply for a period? Also why did you not include the cities which charge around the same or higher than €4.88. With no uncharged for allowance?


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    #8873
    donegaLroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    Tax the rich.that's people before profits stance.

    God help us if these ever had any power.

    tax the water, thats the blue-shirt gombeen stance.

    God help us etc........


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    #8874
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    hju6 wrote: »
    Please don't resort to embarrassing yourself
    How about you just answer my question. What do you want to see in the constitution?


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    #8875
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    What will be the effect of each house getting 30,000 litres before charging kicks in on that calculation. Or the effect of the capped charge which will apply for a period? Also why did you not include the cities which charge around the same or higher than €4.88. With no uncharged for allowance?

    Oh dx, dx, dx :)


    London €1.63 / 1000 litres

    Paris €2.16 / 1000 litres

    Munich €2.26 / 1000 litres

    3 of the MOST expensive cities in Europe to live in.

    Would you like some blood to go with that? :p


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    #8876
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,046 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Smidge wrote: »
    Oh dx, dx, dx :)


    London €1.63 / 1000 litres

    Paris €2.16 / 1000 litres

    Munich €2.26 / 1000 litres

    3 of the MOST expensive cities in Europe to live in.

    Would you like some blood to go with that? :p

    What about the cities that charge more than €4.88? And can you work out the average charge per house for Ireland factoring in 30,000 litres for each house and 21,000 litres for each child taken off the bill. That will be a more accurate comparison.


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    #8877
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    What about the cities that charge more than €4.88? And can you work out the average charge per house for Ireland factoring in 30,000 litres for each house and 21,000 litres for each child taken off the bill. That will be a more accurate comparison.

    Well I'll tell you what dx.....

    YOU do a bit of research and tell ME who charges more than €4.88 per unit rather than being totally spurious.

    Then we'll have a debate ;)


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    #8878
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Smidge wrote: »
    Well I'll tell you what dx.....

    YOU do a bit of research and tell ME who charges more than €4.88 per unit rather than being totally spurious.

    Then we'll have a debate ;)
    Taking the nominal value per litre without factoring in things like free allowance is being intellectually dishonest.


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    #8879
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    What will be the effect of each house getting 30,000 litres before charging kicks in on that calculation.

    The second charging or the first charging?


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    #8880
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Taking the nominal value per litre without factoring in things like free allowance is being intellectually dishonest.

    What the hell does that mean? Peculiar turn of phrase :confused:

    Anyway, a debate works two ways....

    I gave information, you give counter information. Then discuss.


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    #8881
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,046 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Smidge wrote: »
    Well I'll tell you what dx.....

    YOU do a bit of research and tell ME who charges more than €4.88 per unit rather than being totally spurious.

    Then we'll have a debate ;)

    Before I do that could you find out what those charges for the cities you listed include. Are they for the supply of water only or the supply of water and the treatment of waste water? That is a very important factor. If a house in Ireland gets mains water but has their own septic tank they pay half. And if they use the public sewers but have their own well or are on a local group supply they pay half.


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