***ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER CHARGE RELATED POST HERE***

shruikan2553

geeksauce wrote: »

Why does it matter?

If you dont have a meter it does supposedly. More people means the more you pay.

stitcheddepin

geeksauce wrote: »

Why does it matter?

that's what im asking, will they add a charge for each adult named. is there any benefit in stating how many adults are in the house if only one allowance is allowed per household.

scamalert

water tax in ireland is same as it would be taxing those living in dessert for sand.fckng joke this country barely has day without rain. given that early next year about 2million people will be hit with 150-250e per year bill,and yet i dont see how this will create any jobs,nor where will all the cash will be allocated.Surely most plants need to upgrade or whatever,but for amount they will id imagine there will be spring water coming out of the taps (joke)

DeVore

No, there are no added charges per adult (currently) ... (its just that more people will presumably use more water)

stitcheddepin

DeVore wrote: »

No, there are no added charges per adult (currently) ... (its just that more people will presumably use more water)

cheers, time to start getting the boys to pissing in the sink (more often)

Ogham

stitcheddepin wrote: »

that's what im asking, will they add a charge for each adult named. is there any benefit in stating how many adults are in the house if only one allowance is allowed per household.

Without a meter you get chargeda fixed rate set by the number of adults in the house. (Only 1 pps needed). The charge is already adjusted for the free allowance - so if no pps is supplied I expect they will increase this by the equivalent of the free allowance (about €146 extra a year)

With a meter you pay for usage with the first 30000l free if you give a ppsn.
They are asking for number of adults - but it only makes a difference if unmetered . Hope that makes sense.
All here anyway http://www.moneyguideireland.com/unmetered-water-charges-how-will-it-work.html

Leroy42

scamalert wrote: »

water tax in ireland is same as it would be taxing those living in dessert for sand.fckng joke this country barely has day without rain. given that early next year about 2million people will be hit with 150-250e per year bill,and yet i dont see how this will create any jobs,nor where will all the cash will be allocated.Surely most plants need to upgrade or whatever,but for amount they will id imagine there will be spring water coming out of the taps (joke)

Not this arguement again. Did you think of this yourself?

In the same vein, I'm not sure why we have to pay for oil, sure there is bloody loads of it. An what about this meat business, I mean I drove in the country last week and there were hundreds of cows standing around. Tesco want to charge me for that!!!

If you don't want to pay for water then fine. Simply set up water collection areas, invest in some water purification kits and store all your waste water for later dispoal in the local water treament plant (which of oucrse will be free).

V.W.L 11

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Leroy42 wrote: »

Not this arguement again. Did you think of this yourself?

In the same vein, I'm not sure why we have to pay for oil, sure there is bloody loads of it. An what about this meat business, I mean I drove in the country last week and there were hundreds of cows standing around. Tesco want to charge me for that!!!

If you don't want to pay for water then fine. Simply set up water collection areas, invest in some water purification kits and store all your waste water for later dispoal in the local water treament plant (which of oucrse will be free).

jasus!you're either Phil Hogan or Alan Kelly

Timberrrrrrrr

scamalert wrote: »

water tax in ireland is same as it would be taxing those living in dessert for sand.fckng joke this country barely has day without rain. given that early next year about 2million people will be hit with 150-250e per year bill,and yet i dont see how this will create any jobs,nor where will all the cash will be allocated.Surely most plants need to upgrade or whatever,but for amount they will id imagine there will be spring water coming out of the taps (joke)

I haven't seen rain in weeks

hju6

Leroy42 wrote: »

Not this arguement again. Did you think of this yourself?

In the same vein, I'm not sure why we have to pay for oil, sure there is bloody loads of it. An what about this meat business, I mean I drove in the country last week and there were hundreds of cows standing around. Tesco want to charge me for that!!!

If you don't want to pay for water then fine. Simply set up water collection areas, invest in some water purification kits and store all your waste water for later dispoal in the local water treament plant (which of oucrse will be free).

Oh no!! Not this argument again , we already pay for water and always have done

Leroy42

No, from the GE results, where it was clear that water charges were in the IMF agreement and therefore a party would have had to specifically state they wouldn't bring them in, and based on the fact that all political parties seem to agree with some form of water charges (SF I believe have said they may scrap them after a time) then it would appear that the general consensus is that people accept water charges.

Now whether IW and the way they are doing it is the right way is a totally different question

V.W.L 11

will there be a poll added to this????

A. Will Pay
B. Wont Pay

No doubt most of the do gooders out there will!the opposition to this is high,and election 2016 will be fun:)

Leroy42

hju6 wrote: »

Oh no!! Not this argument again , we already pay for water and always have done

You have paid for the water you have used. This is charging for water you wil use.

Taxes were used to cover this in the past, but since we have sufered a massive fall of in taxes then there needs to be new ways of paying for it.

Timberrrrrrrr

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

will there be a poll added to this????

A. Will Pay
B. Wont Pay

No doubt most of the do gooders out there will!the opposition to this is high,and election 2016 will be fun:)

So because i am happy to pay my way that makes me a do gooder?

If someone refuses to pay their way does that make them a skanger?

V.W.L 11

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So because i am happy to pay my way that makes me a do gooder?

If someone refuses to pay their way does that make them a skanger?

maybe I should rephrase! CAN'T pay

scamalert

Not to disagree here ^^ but cant see any transparency where money will be allocated for years to come.

As far as i see it its another way to tax the hell out of people from whatever theres left.

hju6

Leroy42 wrote: »

You have paid for the water you have used. This is charging for water you wil use.

Taxes were used to cover this in the past, but since we have sufered a massive fall of in taxes then there needs to be new ways of paying for it.

No there's been a massive diversion of taxes

DeVore

I'm in a half way house... I am ok with paying (while grumbling about previously paying for water and the ridiculous excess at Irish Water, which is a private company)...

What I'm not ok with is handing over all my personal details to a company who has already said it will ship those details outside the EU and give access to them to people there.... in return for 150 euros off my bill.

hju6

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So because i am happy to pay my way that makes me a do gooder?

If someone refuses to pay their way does that make them a skanger?

If you are happy to pay two or three times for the same thing it makes you gullible

Caliden

The yearly allowance, how is it that we still don't know how this will work?

The bill itself, is it quarterly or bi-monthly?
The yearly free allowance is quoted as 30,000l but that's 83 litres a day.


Using the washing machine is 65litres of water per cycle.
7 minute shower is 50 litres but even if you half that you've gone over your free allowance on days when you wash clothes.


http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/150-litres-of-water-consumed-daily-by-every-person-245927.html

According the above article, people on average use twice the proposed free allowance so Irish water will be raking it in once it comes time to pay.

Timberrrrrrrr

hju6 wrote: »

If you are happy to pay two or three times for the same thing it makes you gullible

I'm not paying for anything "two or three times" though, That's just a dead argument that the NO side keep throwing out there.

Idbatterim

Plus a cap for people with "high medical water needs" - but it's just capped at the assesed charge for the household size.

could somebody please elaborate on the "high medical water needs"? I take it, thats its using the loo very frequently, why cant they install a dual flush cistern if they dont already have one or just put in a displacement device or a few litre bottles of water into the cistern?

I have just moved into an apartment with a dual flush cistern and it uses a fraction of what the older loos do...

At what stage do people take responsibility for themselves?!

Timberrrrrrrr

Caliden wrote: »

The yearly allowance, how is it that we still don't know how this will work?

The bill itself, is it quarterly or bi-monthly?
The yearly free allowance is quoted as 30,000l but that's 83 litres a day.


Using the washing machine is 65litres of water per cycle.
7 minute shower is 50 litres but even if you half that you've gone over your free allowance on days when you wash clothes.


http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/150-litres-of-water-consumed-daily-by-every-person-245927.html

According the above article, people on average use twice the proposed free allowance so Irish water will be raking it in once it comes time to pay.

And when people start paying for water they will become more careful with their water usage creating water conservation.

hju6

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I'm not paying for anything "two or three times" though, That's just a dead argument that the NO side keep throwing out there.

So who paid for the present infrastructure and delivery of water since 1916 then.?

hju6

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And when people start paying for water they will become more careful with their water usage creating water conservation.

For what purpose, in case we have a drought :pac::pac:

Timberrrrrrrr

hju6 wrote: »

So who paid for the present infrastructure and delivery of water since 1916 then.?

Well i wasn't born until 1970 and have only lived in Ireland since 1984 so it wasn't me but i am presuming it was the government spending tax income and also large infrastructure grants from the EU.

Leroy42

hju6 wrote: »

So who paid for the present infrastructure and delivery of water since 1916 then.?

And who is going to pay for its upkeep and renewal?

Before you my taxes, we are running an annual deficit, so all the taxes we have don't cover all the things we want to do.

hju6

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Well i wasn't born until 1970 and have only lived in Ireland since 1984 so it wasn't me but i am presuming it was the government spending tax income and also large infrastructure grants from the EU.

Explains a lot

Timberrrrrrrr

hju6 wrote: »

Explains a lot

What does?

hju6

Leroy42 wrote: »

And who is going to pay for its upkeep and renewal?

Before you my taxes, we are running an annual deficit, so all the taxes we have don't cover all the things we want to do.

All countries run a deficit it's impossible not too, especially with the interest payments on the European bank bailout which we are saddled with,

If the elected buffoons cannot do the job we pay them to do ,ie provide and care for the infrastructure of the country with the taxes collected then they should be sacked and held accountable for defrauding the electorate.

Providing clean water from General taxation is the least we can expect