***ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER CHARGE RELATED POST HERE***

Phoebas

now online wrote: »

Our water meter was installed while we were on holidays. Divided household here, my husband is on the bend over and take it side while I'm on the cold day in hell/double taxation/ we have nothing left to give side.

Anyway the letter came at the start of the week addressed to my husband. If he knew this, he'd fill it out and send it right back so I hid it!

Am I right in saying our water will be metered from the start of October? What can they do if we just don't send the letter back? My husband can answer in all honesty he didn't get the letter! #uck IW this is my contribution to the fight!

Your 'contribution' to the fight is that you still have to pay but you'll just pay more because you havent applied for the free allowances.
Well done. With this strategy the water charges are sure to be abolished.

dxhound2005

mfceiling wrote: »

So water charges start next week.

We haven't received any information whatever regarding this. None, nada, zilch.
No welcome pack, no information on charges/allowances etc.

So from next week i will be paying for a service that:

I don't know how much it will cost per litre/per person

I have no idea about when or where i will have a meter

I have no idea about free allowances

I have no idea how to pay, where to pay, when to pay


To add insult to injury i read that if we are good people and start conserving water then Irish Water will simply raise the price to make sure their profits stay up.

So if we use 20,000 litres next year and find that it is expensive for that amount, so we get it down to 17,000 the following year then the price will more than likely be the same if not more?

Sorry but where is the incentive to keep saving water?

Who are you expecting to answer these questions? This isn't the Irish Water website.

now online

Phoebas wrote: »

Your 'contribution' to the fight is that you still have to pay but you'll just pay more because you havent applied for the free allowances.
Well done. With this strategy the water charges are sure to be abolished.

Walking blind here, in your opinion so I'd be better to send it back so?

Banjo String

p_o_s_t_y wrote: »

I too won't be paying,there is a massive opposition to this double tax,I live in Ferrybank in Waterford and we have stopped the Irish Water gangsters from putting meters in,the media are not broadcasting any of this as they are owned by the big wigs,opposition is widespread across the country,stick together and oppose this so called tax

https://m.facebook.com/WatermeteringIrelandLetsfightback/posts/275307282657994

I seen videos of:

coolock Garda station being surrounded by a crowd of about 200/300 protesting about some citizens being man handled.


Also seen the gards, some clad in full riot attire being 'escorted' out of edenmore estate.

Councillor John Lyons was arrested yesterday (or was it the day before, cant remember)

I haven't seen much mention of any of these events in the media though.

I don't recall any such opposition to the hhc or the LPT.

There is a protest March on the 11th of October which I suppose might give a true indication on the level of anger and disgust or there. I don't think the coalition were expecting such resistance to this.


Also........

I see the Aussies are sympathetic to Ireland's plight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd2xifIueQ0

Curly Judge

now online wrote: »

Our water meter was installed while we were on holidays. Divided household here, my husband is on the bend over and take it side while I'm on the cold day in hell/double taxation/ we have nothing left to give side.

Anyway the letter came at the start of the week addressed to my husband. If he knew this, he'd fill it out and send it right back so I hid it!

Am I right in saying our water will be metered from the start of October? What can they do if we just don't send the letter back? My husband can answer in all honesty he didn't get the letter! #uck IW this is my contribution to the fight!

If my wife pulled a stunt like that she'd never hear the end of it.
In our house the post is sacred and we don't open each other's mail.
If you carry on like this not only will you need a lawyer...you'll need a marriage
guidance councillor.

now online

Curly Judge wrote: »

If my wife pulled a stunt like that she'd never hear the end of it.
In our house the post is sacred and we don't open each other's mail.
If you carry on like this not only will you need a lawyer...you'll need a marriage
guidance councillor.

The only thing I did is not hand him the letter, it's in the usual place the post goes, just face down, this is not your house and thankfully I'm not married to you!

I will take your "implied advice" on board and give him the letter.

Timberrrrrrrr

now online wrote: »

The only thing I did is not hand him the letter, it's in the usual place the post goes, just face down, this is not your house and thankfully I'm not married to you!

I will take your "implied advice" on board and give him the letter.

That's not what you said though is it?

now online wrote: »

Our water meter was installed while we were on holidays. Divided household here, my husband is on the bend over and take it side while I'm on the cold day in hell/double taxation/ we have nothing left to give side.

Anyway the letter came at the start of the week addressed to my husband. If he knew this, he'd fill it out and send it right back so I hid it!

Am I right in saying our water will be metered from the start of October? What can they do if we just don't send the letter back? My husband can answer in all honesty he didn't get the letter! #uck IW this is my contribution to the fight!

p_o_s_t_y

Free allowances my backside,If someone knocked on your door and asked for your PPS number,would you give it to them,they have no right to ask for such details,it also says in the grey print in the booklet that Irish water will be sold in the future and all your details with it,so you are giving away your details for free which they will sell on for a profit in the future,it's a big scam

Timberrrrrrrr

p_o_s_t_y wrote: »

Free allowances my backside,If someone knocked on your door and asked for your PPS number,would you give it to them,they have no right to ask for such details,it also says in the grey print in the booklet that Irish water will be sold in the future and all your details with it,so you are giving away your details for free which they will sell on for a profit in the future,it's a big scam

Well i'm convinced :rolleyes:

bladespin

p_o_s_t_y wrote: »

Free allowances my backside,If someone knocked on your door and asked for your PPS number,would you give it to them,they have no right to ask for such details,it also says in the grey print in the booklet that Irish water will be sold in the future and all your details with it,so you are giving away your details for free which they will sell on for a profit in the future,it's a big scam

I agree though as I understand it's the regulator that has charged IW with collecting PPS nos, not the company itself.

V.W.L 11

Curly Judge wrote: »

If my wife pulled a stunt like that she'd never hear the end of it.
In our house the post is sacred and we don't open each other's mail.
If you carry on like this not only will you need a lawyer...you'll need a marriage
guidance councillor.

the latter part of your username clearly shows it is you and not your O/H who is boss!dont worry though the people in the white coats wont go looking for you (JUST YET)

Curly Judge

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

the latter part of your username clearly shows it is you and not your O/H who is boss!dont worry though the people in the white coats wont go looking for you (JUST YET)

They've already been here and I sent them over to your house.:)

mfceiling

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Who are you expecting to answer these questions? This isn't the Irish Water website.

A letter or information pack in the post?

Maybe a page in the newspaper?

Anything at all...

I didn't post here looking for answers, merely making the point that in a week i will be paying for water, and yet I haven't received a single piece of literature about this new service charge.

V.W.L 11

Curly Judge wrote: »

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They've already been here and I sent them over to your house.:)

nah!i told them speak to your O/H to make sure they got the right person this time :P

mfceiling

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Where did you read that?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-water-will-be-allowed-raise-prices-every-year-29798831.html

There you go...

dxhound2005

mfceiling wrote: »

A letter or information pack in the post?

Maybe a page in the newspaper?

Anything at all...

I didn't post here looking for answers, merely making the point that in a week i will be paying for water, and yet I haven't received a single piece of literature about this new service charge.

Are you sure the IW pack didn't come in the post? Maybe someone in your house is hiding it from you.

mfceiling

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Are you sure the IW pack didn't come in the post? Maybe someone in your house is hiding it from you.

Nothing at all....not a jot

Rucking_Fetard

Does it say in the pack that IW will be sold?

bladespin

Rucking_Fetard wrote: »

Does it say in the pack that IW will be sold?

No but it's a company owned by it's shareholders, shares can be sold.

Rucking_Fetard

They should have brought in a set charge per person. None of this meter stuff and all the hassle its gonna cause.

bladespin

Rucking_Fetard wrote: »

They should have brought in a set charge per person. None of this meter stuff and all the hassle its gonna cause.

es and no, there was nowhere as much hassle with the Household or LPT when it went to revenue, the biggest gripe from what I can see is the company involved and the uncetainty around it.

V.W.L 11

bladespin wrote: »

es and no, there was nowhere as much hassle with the Household or LPT when it went to revenue, the biggest gripe from what I can see is the company involved and the uncetainty around it.

if people don't co-operate revenue will be drafted in I can see it,some democracy though,we elect people and then they tell us what to do even if we don't want to,but who am I to judge :rolleyes:

bladespin

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

if people don't co-operate revenue will be drafted in I can see it,some democracy though,we elect people and then they tell us what to do even if we don't want to,but who am I to judge :rolleyes:

Revenue cannot be drafted in for IW, that's one good thing, state body against a private company owned by the state.

On an aside; they really need to figure this out themselves as they told me they were semi-state which their own literature clearly contradicts.

Democracy is the voters electing a government to govern regardless of public opinion I'm afraid, it's not X factor.

Phoebas

bladespin wrote: »

es and no, there was nowhere as much hassle with the Household or LPT when it went to revenue, the biggest gripe from what I can see is the company involved and the uncetainty around it.

IIRC there were protests around the HHC that attracted thousands of people.

There was a Campaign Against Home and Water Taxes set up (CAHWT) that organised regular enough events.
http://nohouseholdtax.org/
That campaign seems to have all but collapsed - it currently lists no upcoming events.

Even SF who are promising to repeal the HHC/LPT are making no such promises about water charges.

bladespin

Phoebas wrote: »

IIRC there were protests around the HHC that attracted thousands of people.

There was a Campaign Against Home and Water Taxes set up (CAHWT) that organised regular enough events.
http://nohouseholdtax.org/
That campaign seems to have all but collapsed - it currently lists no upcoming events.

True but there didn't seem to be as many incidents as there is with the meters or the agression involved.

Phoebas wrote: »

Even SF who are promising to repeal the HHC/LPT are making no such promises about water charges.

Yes, Dogherty has openly said the best way to get rid of water charges is to elect SF, make of that whatever you will.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/water-charges-a-deal-breaker-for-sf-1.1938091

Little CuChulainn

now online wrote: »

The only thing I did is not hand him the letter, it's in the usual place the post goes, just face down, this is not your house and thankfully I'm not married to you!

I will take your "implied advice" on board and give him the letter.

I'm pretty sure all you've done is ensure your bill will be higher because you won't receive any allowance.

Phoebas

bladespin wrote: »

True but there didn't seem to be as many incidents as there is with the meters or the agression involved.


Yes, Dogherty has openly said the best way to get rid of water charges is to elect SF, make of that whatever you will.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/water-charges-a-deal-breaker-for-sf-1.1938091

'Incidents' and aggression aren't going to see the back of water charges - that can be dealt with by the Gardaí. To get rid of water charges, you need a political campaign.
No proper organised campaign exists. Even SF are talking out of both sides of their mouths, but its clear what game they're playing; they are opposed, but not opposed enough to make it a red line issue. If SF are in coalition after the next election, water charges will remain.

looking_around

mfceiling wrote: »

A letter or information pack in the post?

Maybe a page in the newspaper?

Anything at all...

I didn't post here looking for answers, merely making the point that in a week i will be paying for water, and yet I haven't received a single piece of literature about this new service charge.

We got ours today ):

you'll receive it soon, no doubt.

Banjo String

Phoebas wrote: »

IIRC there were protests around the HHC that attracted thousands of people.

There was a Campaign Against Home and Water Taxes set up (CAHWT) that organised regular enough events.
http://nohouseholdtax.org/
That campaign seems to have all but collapsed - it currently lists no upcoming events.

There is much more anger out there ref the water meters. The lpt had many people exempt, lots of people in social housing for example.

None of these will escape a water tax.

So far we've had people arrested, an injunction on everyone in the 26 counties from interfering with gmc Sierra (how's that gonna work)? Councillor's arrested, meter installation squads evicted from estates, the Gardai evicted from estates... And this is before a bill arrives on a door mat.



Expect much more fierce and aggressive resistance on this one.

Phoebas wrote: »

Even SF who are promising to repeal the HHC/LPT are making no such promises about water charges.

Mmmmm.

Sinn Féin MP Conor Murphy has welcomed the statement from his party colleagues in the Dail that outline plans to scrap water charges in the 26 counties when in government.

Speaking today following the launch of Sinn Fein’s vision for water services in the south Mr Murphy said:

“The approach of Sinn Féin Dail team to scrap water charges when in government is welcomed and is consistent with Sinn Féin policy across the island.

“As the Regional Development Minister I blocked the introduction of water charges in the North of Ireland.

“This was because it was the right thing to do.  When our critics said it couldn’t happen we showed clearly that it could.

“I ruled out privatisation and made it clear that these public services will operate within full public ownership now and in the future.

“In our 2007 manifesto Sinn Féin promised to block the introduction of water charges for households and that is exactly what we did.

“Water charging is a regressive form of  taxation that would have placed many households in the North under additional pressures.

“Unfortunately the tired and unimaginative policies of Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and Labour see fit to place those pressures on people in the South.

“Sinn Féin will reverse the charges in government in the twenty-six counties.”

http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/31587

T-Maxx

LOL at all these "hard men" (and women of course!) refusing to pay.