***ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER CHARGE RELATED POST HERE***

hju6

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I actually let 2 of them use my bathroom when they where putting meters in my street, they didn't need tea as they have a kinda mobile canteen they bring along. Nothing wrong with manners and showing a bit of humanity to a man doing a job.

Humanity you say,

where's your humanity when it comes to charging cash strapped struggling families for water.?

eeepaulo

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I actually let 2 of them use my bathroom when they where putting meters in my street, they didn't need tea as they have a kinda mobile canteen they bring along. Nothing wrong with manners and showing a bit of humanity to a man doing a job.

If you were already on the meter would you have asked them for 10 cent each?

Kivaro

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I actually let 2 of them use my bathroom when they where putting meters in my street

Before or after they put in your meter?

Satriale

Ye might be better off not using the "just doing their job" argument. Give a quick google, it doesnt have a great rep.

Timberrrrrrrr

hju6 wrote: »

Humanity you say,

where's your humanity when it comes to charging cash strapped struggling families for water.?

Is the guy digging the hole to feed his family not entitled to a bit of humanity? Or would you rather he didn't do the work and therefore be one of those "cash strapped struggling families" that you seem to be the champion of? You want to punch a politician in the face then go right ahead but no way will i condone looking down on a man doing a days work.

Timberrrrrrrr

Kivaro wrote: »

Before or after they put in your meter?

After.

hju6

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Is the guy digging the hole to feed his family not entitled to a bit of humanity? Or would you rather he didn't do the work and therefore be one of those "cash strapped struggling families" that you seem to be the champion of? You want to punch a politician in the face then go right ahead but no way will i condone looking down on a man doing a days work.

The "guy digging the hole" is entitled to do his work for his pay, your interference in his days work is not humanity, it's interferance.

As we are paying his wages I for one would be expecting a full day's work for our money, and not humanitarian aid from you.

Timberrrrrrrr

hju6 wrote: »

The "guy digging the hole" is entitled to do his work for his pay, your interference in his days work is not humanity, it's interferance.

As we are paying his wages I for one would be expecting a full day's work for our money, and not humanitarian aid from you.

How did i "interfere" with his days work? Is this the future of the country if you and your ilk get into power? Jobs, free water and houses for all but **** off if you wish to use the bathroom :rolleyes:

Little CuChulainn

hju6 wrote: »

Humanity you say,

where's your humanity when it comes to charging cash strapped struggling families for water.?

Water charges should never have been abolished. They should have been offset by lower taxes. It's likely they will in this budget or the next. Water conservation is an environmental necessity and water charges are the best way to encourage conservation.

Satriale wrote: »

Ye might be better off not using the "just doing their job" argument. Give a quick google, it doesnt have a great rep.

I think you are trying to use the "just following orders" argument. If so it's a pretty ridiculous one to make.

hju6

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How did i "interfere" with his days work? Is this the future of the country if you and your ilk get into power? Jobs, free water and houses for all but **** off if you wish to use the bathroom :rolleyes:

Me and my ilk?
What power?

FYI

There are no real jobs

Water is already paid for, via motor tax and VAT

And there is a housing shortage

So you and your ilk are doing a cracking job,

And I'm sure toilet facilities are provided for IW workers, H&S and all that.

Little CuChulainn

hju6 wrote: »

Me and my ilk?
What power?

FYI

There are no real jobs

Water is already paid for, via motor tax and VAT

And there is a housing shortage

So you and your ilk are doing a cracking job,

It's not already paid for. The country is running at a deficit.

Timberrrrrrrr

hju6 wrote: »

Me and my ilk?
What power?

FYI

There are no real jobs

Water is already paid for, via motor tax and VAT

And there is a housing shortage

So you and your ilk are doing a cracking job,

My ilk are not in power, never voted for them and never will.

As for the rest of your tired points

:rolleyes:

It's all they deserve.

hju6

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

It's not already paid for. The country is running at a deficit.

Yawn,

Feck the deficit, it's the ever increasing DEBT that's the problem

20Cent

Anyone know why they can't just delete the ppsn's once the allowances have been verifued?

Don't think I trust them its been a shambles so far. How long before millions of peoples data gets leaked or hacked.

20Cent

Anyone know why they can't just delete the ppsn's once the allowances have been verifued?

Don't think I trust them its been a shambles so far. How long before millions of peoples data gets leaked or hacked.

hju6

20Cent wrote: »

Anyone know why they can't just delete the ppsn's once the allowances have been verifued?

Don't think I trust them its been a shambles so far. How long before millions of peoples data gets leaked or hacked.

They won't delete them, it's a handy database for the next robbery,

Little CuChulainn

hju6 wrote: »

Yawn,

Feck the deficit, it's the ever increasing DEBT that's the problem

Which is caused by the deficit.

hju6

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Which is caused by the deficit.

Well abandon all hope, that debt will never be paid

lacco

Couple of questions about the water charges.

Why do they need pps numbers if they are a state or semi state company why couldn't they have gotten that info from dept of social welfare or from revenue or would that be a breach of data protection? Why do they need pps numbers anyway I don't really buy this water allowance stuff.

Why should I give my kids pps I have concerns about this.
Is that application pack a contract? I ask because no signature is required and I thought signing up required a signature?
Also if it is a contract can you enter into one if you don't have a price for water charges?

Also will they be able to tell us the percentage of water leaking in the area in which we live?
Can they test our water to ensure it is up to spec?
And can they tell us about flouride levels in it. I am very confused about so many aspects of these water charges.

Timberrrrrrrr

lacco wrote: »

Couple of questions about the water charges.

Why do they need pps numbers if they are a state or semi state company why couldn't they have gotten that info from dept of social welfare or from revenue or would that be a breach of data protection? Why do they need pps numbers anyway I don't really buy this water allowance stuff.

Why should I give my kids pps I have concerns about this.
Is that application pack a contract? I ask because no signature is required and I thought signing up required a signature?
Also if it is a contract can you enter into one if you don't have a price for water charges?

Also will they be able to tell us the percentage of water leaking in the area in which we live?
Can they test our water to ensure it is up to spec?
And can they tell us about flouride levels in it. I am very confused about so many aspects of these water charges.

All answered in the previous pages.

animaal

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Water conservation is an environmental necessity and water charges are the best way to encourage conservation.

This is stated quite a lot as a reason to move to "pay-per-use" billing for water. I'm genuinely interested, have the benefits quantified, in the context of this country?

Let's imagine that households reduced their consumption by an average of 20%. That's a significant reduction. What would be the benefit to the state financially, or to the environment?

We know that roughly half of all water produced is leaked before it gets to any households. So the 20% reduction in household consumption might mean a potential 10% reduction in the amount of water needing to be processed.

But of the water that isn't leaked, some proportion is used by businesses. I don't know how much, but let's assume businesses use half as much as households. Businesses already pay for water. They aren't going to be affected by household water charges. The potential 10% reduction in water needing to be procesed might actually be more like 6 or 7% when you factor in existing business use. Possily less. If anything, business use will increase. More people will shower at gyms. People will appreciate the opportunity to use bathroom facilities at work, or "free" table water when they're out socialising.

So, if the state needs to process 6% less water as a result of a 20% reduction by households, what will that mean financially? Will there be an opportunity to downsize the workforce at Irish water? Or to remove sections of water pipes? Most of these costs are fixed, and won't change. The variable costs are likely to be small in comparison.

How about the benefit to the environment? There may be some benefit, but again, I haven't seen it quantified. How much less carbon dioxide will be produced? I've no idea, and I'm not aware of any effort to quantify it. If we flush toilets less often, it won't decrease the amount of human waste entering the environment. and surely more clean, drinkable water being flushed won't harm the environment in itself?

lacco

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

All answered in the previous pages.

Don't fancy trawling through more than ninty pages think I'll just e mail them.

hju6

animaal wrote: »

This is stated quite a lot as a reason to move to "pay-per-use" billing for water. I'm genuinely interested, have the benefits quantified, in the context of this country?

Let's imagine that households reduced their consumption by an average of 20%. That's a significant reduction. What would be the benefit to the state financially, or to the environment?

We know that roughly half of all water produced is leaked before it gets to any households. So the 20% reduction in household consumption might mean a potential 10% reduction in the amount of water needing to be processed.

But of the water that isn't leaked, some proportion is used by businesses. I don't know how much, but let's assume businesses use half as much as households. Businesses already pay for water. They aren't going to be affected by household water charges. The potential 10% reduction in water needing to be procesed might actually be more like 6 or 7% when you factor in existing business use. Possily less. If anything, business use will increase. More people will shower at gyms. People will appreciate the opportunity to use bathroom facilities at work, or "free" table water when they're out socialising.

So, if the state needs to process 6% less water as a result of a 20% reduction by households, what will that mean financially? Will there be an opportunity to downsize the workforce at Irish water? Or to remove sections of water pipes? Most of these costs are fixed, and won't change. The variable costs are likely to be small in comparison.

How about the benefit to the environment? There may be some benefit, but again, I haven't seen it quantified. How much less carbon dioxide will be produced? I've no idea, and I'm not aware of any effort to quantify it. If we flush toilets less often, it won't decrease the amount of human waste entering the environment. and surely more clean, drinkable water being flushed won't harm the environment in itself?

All the leaks or most should of been fixed first, and problem areas fixed too, then a charge for actual clean water with leaks repaired might be a bit more palatable

gctest50

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Water charges should never have been abolished. They should have been offset by lower taxes. It's likely they will in this budget or the next. Water conservation is an environmental necessity and water charges are the best way to encourage conservation...........

its already helping , shower consumption down by amazing 75%

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057274379/1/#post91836656

arse..biscuits

Deleted User wrote: »

A few thugs stopping honest hard workers from doing their legal job is hardly "thousands of people protesting against the charges" now is it? One of the most vocal "protesters" a failed hunger striker and a candidate in upcoming by election, "protests" about the quality of the meters! Other "protesters" when challenged, complain about the possibility of radiation emitting from meters. NOT about the charges!

Talking through your hole there. I was just at a march today and I can promise you the numbers are getting bigger by the day. I didn't hear anyone mention radiation till you did. And if there is a "failed hunger striker" involved in a protest so what? Does that mean everyone there has something to do with that?
The government must love the blind obedience shown by people like you.

mfceiling

micosoft wrote: »

As you are plainly on the internet you can find all the information and sign up on the Irish Water website.

LMGTFY

That wasn't so hard now, was it?

Didn't realise it was up to me to search for the info for a service that i know nothing about.

Is it up to me to check how much it will cost me, how much my free allowance is and how to pay.

When my car insurance is up they write to me to tell me how much my fee for the year will be and what benefits i will be entitled to.

arse..biscuits

arse..biscuits wrote: »

Talking through your hole there. I was just at a march today and I can promise you the numbers are getting bigger by the day. I didn't hear anyone mention radiation till you did. And if there is a "failed hunger striker" involved in a protest so what? Does that mean everyone there has something to do with that?
The government must love the blind obedience shown by people like you.

The "blind obedience" I show is to Ireland. We are borrowing simply for day to day living. That cannot continue. EVERYONE has to do their bit. By voicing our opinions, we are called traitors. The traitors are those unwilling to support their Country.
BTW, Radiation was first mentioned by some protesters in Cork.

lacco

Maryanne84 just saw your comment re protesting.
How can people be blamed when there are no published fees for water charges yet, on top of that people are expected to hand over their pps numbers and their childrens for no good reason,furthermore loads of water is leaking around the country and to top it all off some of our water is not fit for human consumption. Headache stuff!

Lucy and Harry

As long as you pay it by cheque or bank draft they do not need your pps number.What are they going to do send me to jail.I received a letter asking for my pps and threw it in the bin where it belongs.

mfceiling

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Water charges should never have been abolished. They should have been offset by lower taxes. It's likely they will in this budget or the next. Water conservation is an environmental necessity and water charges are the best way to encourage conservation.




I think you are trying to use the "just following orders" argument. If so it's a pretty ridiculous one to make.

The problem here is that even if we all start to conserve water and hope that our bills will be reduced, then Irish Water will simply increase the prices so the profits aren't hit...

Where's the incentive?