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hju6

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The "blind obedience" I show is to Ireland. We are borrowing simply for day to day living. That cannot continue. EVERYONE has to do their bit. By voicing our opinions, we are called traitors. The traitors are those unwilling to support their Country.
BTW, Radiation was first mentioned by some protesters in Cork.

Pull on the Green jumper

With Anglo Irish as the sponsors name on the green jumper

Phoebas

mfceiling wrote: »

Didn't realise it was up to me to search for the info for a service that i know nothing about.

Is it up to me to check how much it will cost me, how much my free allowance is and how to pay.

When my car insurance is up they write to me to tell me how much my fee for the year will be and what benefits i will be entitled to.

If you know nothing about the water charge at this stage in the game you have nobody to blame but yourself. There have been at least two information packs sent out by IW. There is lots of information on both the IW site and the CER site. There has been public information meetings organised by various politicians. The details have been well covered by various media.

And you're contributing to a discussion thread on the topic.

If you still need help with some of the basic information you don't have, you probably can't be helped.

Fr. Ned

mfceiling wrote: »

The problem here is that even if we all start to conserve water and hope that our bills will be reduced, then Irish Water will simply increase the prices so the profits aren't hit...

Where's the incentive?

The super quango has already stated that if people don't use enough water that they'll increase the price to secure their profit.

There's one reason for this and one reason alone, the books have to look good so potential buyers, maybe the likes of 'tax non dom' himself, will pay a handsome price for the company.

Once that happens water prices will increase 10 fold, mark my words.


It's all about the money...money...money, as the song goes!

lacco

lacco wrote: »

Maryanne84 just saw your comment re protesting.
How can people be blamed when there are no published fees for water charges yet, on top of that people are expected to hand over their pps numbers and their childrens for no good reason,furthermore loads of water is leaking around the country and to top it all off some of our water is not fit for human consumption. Headache stuff!

The reason they require ONE adults PPS Number and those of ALL children under 18 is so YOU can get your proper allowance. The revenue raised will mend the leaks and ensure drinkable water for all. Protesting is a way of life for some. The same people protested against Househood Charge, LPT and anything the Government introduces to help get Ireland back on track.

Banjo String

mfceiling wrote: »

The problem here is that even if we all start to conserve water and hope that our bills will be reduced, then Irish Water will simply increase the prices so the profits aren't hit...

Where's the incentive?

Micosoft will undoubtedly counter this with a "who said that"

Then he'll be provided with a link showing exactly where it was mentioned before. So tiring.

They know quite well that this quango has been set up at great expense and it simply cannot fail.

Common sense will tell anyone (especially on the pro side) that IW must pay for itself. If the Revenue required isn't being filtered in due to folk conserving water, of course they'll jack up the price.

Only a complete and utter dope would assume otherwise.


The resistance out there seems to be growing each day. Unless the Govt and Irish Water have some underhand sneaky trick up their sleeves to force people to pay, I forsee big problems ahead.

When installers are being run out of estates, unable to install meters, how the hell do they think they'll ever get into restrict or turn off a house?


I'm loving it btw. Interesting new year ahead.

Frank Lee Midere

It would be at maximum about equal to 2 months increase in rent in 2013/2014 so not bothered.

eeepaulo

Fr. Ned wrote: »

The super quango has already stated that if people don't use enough water at they'll increase the price to secure their profit.

There's one reason for this and one reason alone, the books have to look good so potential buyers, maybe the likes of 'tax non dom' himself, will pay a handsome price for the company.

Once that happens water prices will increase 10 fold, mark my words.

This is exactly what will happen,

Using the public purse to create the billing system so that it can be sold off, this has absolutely nothing to do with water conservation.

Fr. Ned

Deleted User wrote: »

The reason they require ONE adults PPS Number and those of ALL children under 18 is so YOU can get your proper allowance. The revenue raised will mend the leaks and ensure drinkable water for all.

What is it? Comedy night?

Do you actually believe this to be the case? Seriously?????

Timberrrrrrrr

Fr. Ned wrote: »

The super quango has already stated that if people don't use enough water that they'll increase the price to secure their profit.

There's one reason for this and one reason alone, the books have to look good so potential buyers, maybe the likes of 'tax non dom' himself, will pay a handsome price for the company.

Once that happens water prices will increase 10 fold, mark my words.


It's all about the money...money...money, as the song goes!

Sigh

It's not about the money, money, money
We don't need your money, money, money
We just wanna make the world dance,
Forget about the price tag
Ain't about the (uh) cha-ching cha-ching
Ain't about the (yeah) ba-bling ba-bling
Wanna make the world dance,
Forget about the price tag (OK)

Timberrrrrrrr

Banjo String wrote: »

Micosoft will undoubtedly counter this with a "who said that"

Then he'll be provided with a link showing exactly where it was mentioned before. So tiring.

They know quite well that this quango has been set up at great expense and it simply cannot fail.

Common sense will tell anyone (especially on the pro side) that IW must pay for itself. If the Revenue required isn't being filtered in due to folk conserving water, of course they'll jack up the price.

Only a complete and utter dope would assume otherwise.


The resistance out there seems to be growing each day. Unless the Govt and Irish Water have some underhand sneaky trick up their sleeves to force people to pay, I forsee big problems ahead.

When installers are being run out of estates, unable to install meters, how the hell do they think they'll ever get into restrict or turn off a house?


I'm loving it btw. Interesting new year ahead.

Not for long

mfceiling

Phoebas wrote: »

If you know nothing about the water charge at this stage in the game you have nobody to blame but yourself. There have been at least two information packs sent out by IW. There is lots of information on both the IW site and the CER site. There has been public information meetings organised by various politicians. The details have been well covered by various media.

And you're contributing to a discussion thread on the topic.

If you still need help with some of the basic information you don't have, you probably can't be helped.

I'm not sure of your ability to read.... I have received nothing from Irish Water - nothing, zilch, nada...not a book, not a pamphlet, nothing.

No public meetings by politicians where i live. The media have covered it to an extent but no one has given an exact amount of water that is free per child/per adult. How much is 1000 litres of water? How can i pay this tax? Is it payable weekly, monthly, quarterly, yearly? If me or any of my children have an illness/disability then how does this affect my payments/allowances? Who will fit my meter/where will it be placed?

This tax is less than a week away and yet no one seems to have any idea about the workings of it.

Timberrrrrrrr

mfceiling wrote: »

I'm not sure of your ability to read.... I have received nothing from Irish Water - nothing, zilch, nada...not a book, not a pamphlet, nothing.

No public meetings by politicians where i live. The media have covered it to an extent but no one has given an exact amount of water that is free per child/per adult. How much is 1000 litres of water? How can i pay this tax? Is it payable weekly, monthly, quarterly, yearly? If me or any of my children have an illness/disability then how does this affect my payments/allowances? Who will fit my meter/where will it be placed?

This tax is less than a week away and yet no one seems to have any idea about the workings of it.

And it's everyone elses fault that you left it until now to try find out this information :rolleyes:

bladespin

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And it's everyone elses fault that you left it until now to try find out this information :rolleyes:

It really should be IW's responsibility to make sure it's 'customers' have correct and accurate information, not the other way around as in this case the 'customer' doesn't have any say in the matter.

mfceiling

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And it's everyone elses fault that you left it until now to try find out this information :rolleyes:

Why is it up to me to find this out?

Irish Water want me to pay for the water. That's fine - how much is it?

How did i say it's everyone else's fault? How much are you going to pay for your water and what is your exact allowances? If you don't know the exact figures right now then you'd better start looking for that information.

bladespin

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Not for long

For some time to come I'd say, a court order obviously doesn't mean much here anymore.

eeepaulo

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And it's everyone elses fault that you left it until now to try find out this information :rolleyes:

Well i think that when the status quo is changed the onus has to be on the people who are making the change.

But i have no doubt it is us the general public who are actually agreeing to thousands of clauses that will be used i the future.

And no doubt we will be left carrying the can if things go wrong.

shruikan2553

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And it's everyone elses fault that you left it until now to try find out this information :rolleyes:

And yet information like how much it will be isn't on their website. Any lack of information is the companies fault.

Banjo String

Deleted User wrote: »

The reason they require ONE adults PPS Number and those of ALL children under 18 is so YOU can get your proper allowance.

They can't just check with social welfare via child benefit payments?

Don't tell me there would be data issues there, because Revenue already have passed the details of those on the lpt over to Irish Water. (is this a breach of privacy btw)?

Deleted User wrote: »

The revenue raised will mend the leaks and ensure drinkable water for all.

The money wasted on setting up the quango already would have went a long way towards doing that also. They could've even got the existing council staff who have done, and still will for the next 12 years to do the job.

Instead, they waste it on consultants who couldn't even get simple data protection laws right in the terms and conditions (see the updated Web site for proof)

Irish Water has been set up to sell on, using tax payers money. (that was taken from the LPT that was supposed to be for local services, remember that spoof anyone?)

Deleted User wrote: »

Protesting is a way of life for some. The same people protested against Househood Charge, LPT and anything the Government introduces to help get Ireland back on track.

You stopped short of using the terms 'crusty' and 'dole scroungers'

The harsh reality is the actual way of life for some puts slaving away, head down, arse up and getting fleeced for 52% tax, which apparently pays for fcuk all.

Doesn't cover bins. Doesn't cover roads, doesn't cover gp or hospital visits, doesn't cover the grass being cut, the litter collected, hell, now it doesn't cover water either.

Funny we have among the highest paid politicians in Europe though who can claim multiple pensions.

It covers that alright.

dxhound2005

mfceiling wrote: »

Why is it up to me to find this out?

Irish Water want me to pay for the water. That's fine - how much is it?

How did i say it's everyone else's fault? How much are you going to pay for your water and what is your exact allowances? If you don't know the exact figures right now then you'd better start looking for that information.

It's not quite the end of September yet. Your pack may arrive on Monday or Tuesday. If not you can give them a ring. You have until the 31st of October to submit your application.

What should I do if I have not received an application pack yet?

Irish Water are currently sending an application pack to every home in Ireland. If you have not received your application pack by the end of September 2014, please contact Irish Water on 1890 448 448.

mfceiling

When the property tax came it was simple. Look up revenue's map - find my road and you have a fair idea of what to pay.

Next week i will pay for water - and i have no f*cking idea how much.

When someone wants me to pay for something i'd expect them to tell me how much money they want, when they want paid and how they want paid.

I run a small enough construction business and believe me, before i do a job i will have an EXACT amount of money detailed for the customer and when i expect to be paid.

Banjo String

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Not for long

Not for long what?

Wasn't the injunction made earlier on in the week, yet I saw van loads being escorted from edenmore only yesterday, quickly followed by the gards in full riot gear being escorted out soon afterwards.

Unless they deploy NATO or troops.

Are you privy to some kind of information the rest of us aren't?

Timberrrrrrrr

Banjo String wrote: »

Not for long what?

Wasn't the injunction made earlier on in the week, yet I saw van loads being escorted from edenmore only yesterday, quickly followed by the gards in full riot gear being escorted out soon afterwards.

Unless they deploy NATO or troops.

Are you privy to some kind of information the rest of us aren't?

evolving_doors

Deleted User wrote: »

The reason they require ONE adults PPS Number and those of ALL children under 18 is so YOU can get your proper allowance. The revenue raised will mend the leaks and ensure drinkable water for all. Protesting is a way of life for some. The same people protested against Househood Charge, LPT and anything the Government introduces to help get Ireland back on track.

Huzzah for that... so when it's all fixed and patched up the charges are lowered!!... thinks no one ever

Don't fool yerself... nothing will get fixed.. we are just paying for a bloated HSE quango..

dxhound2005

mfceiling wrote: »

When the property tax came it was simple. Look up revenue's map - find my road and you have a fair idea of what to pay.

Next week i will pay for water - and i have no f*cking idea how much.

When someone wants me to pay for something i'd expect them to tell me how much money they want, when they want paid and how they want paid.

I run a small enough construction business and believe me, before i do a job i will have an EXACT amount of money detailed for the customer and when i expect to be paid.

That changes everything. As a business user you should be paying commercial water charges already.

lacco

Deleted User wrote: »

The reason they require ONE adults PPS Number and those of ALL children under 18 is so YOU can get your proper allowance. The revenue raised will mend the leaks and ensure drinkable water for all. Protesting is a way of life for some. The same people protested against Househood Charge, LPT and anything the Government introduces to help get Ireland back on track.

Maryanne84 this is not a fairytale, sorry to dissapoint you.

Protesting is not a way of life for some. That's a huge generalisation and sweeping statement. Irish people did not protest widely during austerity.

Also I am able to read English so no need to capitalise for me thank you



The leaks should be mended first and no way are they getting my kids pps number. Anyone with kids should have concerns about giving this information out.

mfceiling

dxhound2005 wrote: »

That changes everything. As a business user you should be paying commercial water charges already.

No - i don't have to pay commercial water charges as i don't have a business premise. I'm a small sub-contractor/tradesman.

If i'm going to provide a service then i will make sure that the consumer knows how much before i start.

I've no idea how much i'll be paying from October 1. I suspect none of the rest of you do neither...

EazyD

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Nice of you to join us, Mr.Tierny

Banjo String

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Right so I'm convinced.

dxhound2005

mfceiling wrote: »

No - i don't have to pay commercial water charges as i don't have a business premise. I'm a small sub-contractor/tradesman.

If i'm going to provide a service then i will make sure that the consumer knows how much before i start.

I've no idea how much i'll be paying from October 1. I suspect none of the rest of you do neither...

Correct, none of us know. The Commission for Energy Regulation are in the process of finalising their process. The charges will be known before the deadline for submitting your application to IW, 31st October.

http://www.cer.ie/document-detail/Water-Customer-Handbook-and-Tariff-Principle-Papers/956

Bob24

Armelodie wrote: »

Huzzah for that... so when it's all fixed and patched up the charges are lowered!!... thinks no one ever

Don't fool yerself... nothing will get fixed.. we are just paying for a bloated HSE quango..

Well one thing some people are refusing to accept is that our water network is in such bad shape due to chronic underinvestment. Fixing it is one think but extra money will have to keep flowing in to maintain it properly.

Having said that, we will probably agree in saying that additional money is not enough - it should also be used wisely (which is where I reserve my judgement).