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    #1412
    mfceiling
    Registered Users Posts: 12,820 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Correct, none of us know. The Commission for Energy Regulation are in the process of finalising their process. The charges will be known before the deadline for submitting your application to IW, 31st October.

    http://www.cer.ie/document-detail/Water-Customer-Handbook-and-Tariff-Principle-Papers/956

    Do you agree that it would be nice to know how much this tax is before we start to pay for it?

    Imagine Micheal Noonan told us that he was bringing in a new tax in the budget and it will be coming from our wages immediately but it will be another while before he'll tell us how much it is...wouldn't wash would it?


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    #1413
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    mfceiling wrote: »
    Do you agree that it would be nice to know how much this tax is before we start to pay for it?

    Imagine Micheal Noonan told us that he was bringing in a new tax in the budget and it will be coming from our wages immediately but it will be another while before he'll tell us how much it is...wouldn't wash would it?

    It really is awful isn't it. The only thing you can do is to try to use less water from next Wednesday. Nobody can change the charge at this stage so that is the only sensible approach.


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    #1414
    lacco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭lacco


    mfceiling wrote: »
    Do you agree that it would be nice to know how much this tax is before we start to pay for it?

    Imagine Micheal Noonan told us that he was bringing in a new tax in the budget and it will be coming from our wages immediately but it will be another while before he'll tell us how much it is...wouldn't wash would it?[/QUOTe

    No and if we don't pay the water charges maybe we won't wash either!!


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    #1415
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    mfceiling wrote: »
    Do you agree that it would be nice to know how much this tax is before we start to pay for it?

    Imagine Micheal Noonan told us that he was bringing in a new tax in the budget and it will be coming from our wages immediately but it will be another while before he'll tell us how much it is...wouldn't wash would it?

    You will know - when you get your bill in January.


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    #1416
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    It really is awful isn't it. The only thing you can do is to try to use less water from next Wednesday. Nobody can change the charge at this stage so that is the only sensible approach.

    What a patronising, condescending post.

    Hasn't been a great week for FG what with Endas cronyism up in Donegal, and Feighans assaulting incident in Roscommon. Topped off with the data commissioner expressing grave concerns over Irish Waters intentions.

    Things can only get better I suppose.


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    #1417
    mfceiling
    Registered Users Posts: 12,820 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    It really is awful isn't it. The only thing you can do is to try to use less water from next Wednesday. Nobody can change the charge at this stage so that is the only sensible approach.

    I will try to use less but i'd sure like to know how much it's costing me for what i do use.

    Thing is, if the price is quite expensive then it's a bit late to start moaning about it. I'm sure most of us would like to have known the price as soon as possible. That way we could have have lobbied for a reduction in the price.

    Now we're basically screwed. It's a case of put up and shut up...


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    #1418
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Banjo String wrote: »
    What a patronising, condescending post.

    Hasn't been a great week for FG what with Endas cronyism up in Donegal, and Feighans assaulting incident in Roscommon. Topped off with the data commissioner expressing grave concerns over Irish Waters intentions.

    Things can only get better I suppose.

    So sorry to have offended your sensibilities old bean.


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    #1419
    mfceiling
    Registered Users Posts: 12,820 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You will know - when you get your bill in January.

    Not much good then.

    If i did a job for you and didn't tell you the price, would you be happy if i told you that you'll know when you get the bill from me in january?


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    #1420
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    mfceiling wrote: »
    I will try to use less but i'd sure like to know how much it's costing me for what i do use.

    Thing is, if the price is quite expensive then it's a bit late to start moaning about it. I'm sure most of us would like to have known the price as soon as possible. That way we could have have lobbied for a reduction in the price.

    Now we're basically screwed. It's a case of put up and shut up...

    Just don't pay the bill. They can't cut off your water, no more than they can cut off your TV signal if you don't pay the licence.


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    #1421
    EazyD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭EazyD


    It's quite obvious that a select number of posters here are in someway affiliated with the company in question, directly or otherwise, hence the defensiveness and deviations from the questions at hand.


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    #1422
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    So sorry to have offended your sensibilities old bean.

    S'alright. I forgive ya.

    Brandy and cigar in the smoking room?


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    #1423
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    That changes everything. As a business user you should be paying commercial water charges already.

    No he shouldn't.


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    #1424
    mfceiling
    Registered Users Posts: 12,820 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Just don't pay the bill. They can't cut off your water, no more than they can cut off your TV signal if you don't pay the licence.

    I'll pay it because like 95% of the population i don't want the hassle of court appearances etc. I would like to know the cost before i start paying though...

    Tv licence is paid too, but don't get me started on that!!


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    #1425
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You will know - when you get your bill in January.

    Isn't it a "charge" ?

    A "bill" would imply some sort of contract would be involved.


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    #1426
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,555 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    EazyD wrote: »
    It's quite obvious that a select number of posters here are in someway affiliated with the company in question, directly or otherwise, hence the defensiveness and deviations from the questions at hand.

    Care to follow up on that accusation by naming them?


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    #1427
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    mfceiling wrote: »
    I'll pay it because like 95% of the population i don't want the hassle of court appearances etc. I would like to know the cost before i start paying though...

    You will know the cost. It will be announced before you have to submit your application, and more than two months before you get your first bill.

    I hope other people here will find your reasoning instructive. All that will happen to people who adopt the failed Don't Register, Don't Pay approach is that they will incur higher charges and make their lives complicated. And in the end they will all pay.


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    #1428
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    EazyD wrote: »
    It's quite obvious that a select number of posters here are in someway affiliated with the company in question, directly or otherwise, hence the defensiveness and deviations from the questions at hand.

    Na, I doubt it.

    I do reckon that most of them in favour are state or semi-state employees and these people know that the trough has to be kept full to keep them in the lifestyle they've become accustomed to.


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    #1429
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Care to follow up on that accusation by naming them?


    Maybe they're in the process of doing so, and will post them before the deadline Oct 31st.


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    #1430
    bladespin
    Registered Users Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    Na, I doubt it.

    I do reckon that most of them in favour are state or semi-state employees and these people know that the trough has to be kept full to keep them in the lifestyle they've become accustomed to.

    There's a certain stink of ps about some alirght.


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    #1431
    bladespin
    Registered Users Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭bladespin


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    You will know the cost. It will be announced before you have to submit your application, and more than two months before you get your first bill.

    I hope other people here will find your reasoning instructive. All that will happen to people who adopt the failed Don't Register, Don't Pay approach is that they will incur higher charges and make their lives complicated. And in the end they will all pay.

    What about those who are trying to register (for or against) that are being obstructed by the pps nonsense? Having two kids entitled to their allowance and no way of getting it without handing over their pps numbers is a major hurdle for me and quite a fcuk up from those responsible for implementing the charge/bill.


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    #1432
    EazyD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭EazyD


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Care to follow up on that accusation by naming them?

    Wouldn't fancy the inevitable infraction, so no I won't.


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    #1433
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    How about anyone who doesn't give their PPSN doesn't get any allowances? That's a fair way to do it, no?


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    #1434
    lacco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭lacco


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    You will know the cost. It will be announced before you have to submit your application, and more than two months before you get your first bill.

    I hope other people here will find your reasoning instructive. All that will happen to people who adopt the failed Don't Register, Don't Pay approach is that they will incur higher charges and make their lives complicated. And in the end they will all pay.

    You seem so very sure of that everything will all be hunky dory.
    Plenty of negative PR already surronding this water company.
    Plenty of people unhappy too.


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    #1435
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    How about anyone who doesn't give their PPSN doesn't get any allowances? That's a fair way to do it, no?

    Where the hell have you been this past month.

    That's Exactly What they're proposing.


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    #1436
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    They also sent the letter to my wife but in her maiden name.

    She hasn't been legally known by that name for near 15 years now.


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    #1437
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    How about anyone who doesn't give their PPSN doesn't get any allowances? That's a fair way to do it, no?

    Or instead of everyone having to apply for an allowance which everyone gets, reduce the cost or make it default without needing to apply?


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    #1438
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Or instead of everyone having to apply for an allowance which everyone gets, reduce the cost or make it default without needing to apply?
    I think the idea is you get a higher allowance the more people you have in the house. You can't make it default without giving all houses equal allowances.


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    #1439
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I think the idea is you get a higher allowance the more people you have in the house. You can't make it default without giving all houses equal allowances.

    Each household gets the same allowance if they are 1 or 10 adults. Its only for children that the number matters. For an apartment with 2 or 3 people they only want 1 PPSN.


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    #1440
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    mfceiling wrote: »
    The problem here is that even if we all start to conserve water and hope that our bills will be reduced, then Irish Water will simply increase the prices so the profits aren't hit...

    Where's the incentive?

    People say this like it's a sure thing. The provision allows for Irish Water to raise the price, having cleared it first, if they run at a loss due to low demand. It just takes account of the fact that we really have no idea how much it will cost to run a national water supply.


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    #1441
    Bob24
    Registered Users Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Where the hell have you been this past month.

    That's Exactly What they're proposing.

    Not to mention the fact that the only reason Irish Water are collecting PPS numbers us that they are asked by the government to do so in order to validate who is entitled for allowances and make sure the same person is not claiming allowance on multiple properties. If they hadn't been required to do that they wouldn't care about PPS numbers.

    The government should manage this themselves in order to have a utility company collect this type of information, but I guess they didn't feel like it.


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