***ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER CHARGE RELATED POST HERE***

Fr. Ned

eeepaulo wrote: »

Im getting the idea that water meterers (meterists) are going to start going missing in the back of beyong where fr. ned lives.

Na, they can come along if they like.

Trouble will come if they try to enter onto my property.
I know my rights when it comes to trespass.

Phoebas

BarryD wrote: »

A thought though - what if they replace the mains some day.. you'll be snookered then!

Ah ye see, plan B is to install a secret network of pipes bringing salt water from the Atlantic with a private desalinisation plant on site.
There's no way those bastards in IW are getting money out of Ned.

Recondite49

animaal wrote:

This government has already made it clear that people's pension savings are subject to confiscation.

That's not quite what I meant. If taxes were raised to pay for water for everyone (which I would support) it's possible to increase your pension contributions to reduce your taxable income.

For instance at the moment I set aside 7% of my salary towards my pension so only pay tax on the other 93%.

If taxes are raised subject to certain limitations based on your age, you can increase your contributions to balance this out.
Of course once you start receiving your pension you'll pay tax on it like any other form of income if you're still living in Ireland.

eeepaulo

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Na, they can come along if they like.

Trouble will come if they try to enter onto my property.
I know my rights when it comes to trespass.

A porch, a rocking chair, a piece of grass, a shotgun?

Fr. Ned

Phoebas wrote: »

Ah ye see, plan B is to install a secret network of pipes bringing salt water from the Atlantic with a private desalinisation plant on site.
There's no way those bastards in IW are getting money out of Ned.

I also have my own water treatment plant for 'foul' water.
Basically a mini treatment plant like you'd see in most urban towns...

Cost me almost €10k because the LA couldn't connect me to the main.

Service contract on that is €300 pa.

Phoebas

eeepaulo wrote: »

A porch, a rocking chair, a piece of grass, a shotgun?

Darn tootin'.

Recondite49

Satriale wrote:

edit btw ive no doubt some protestors are just as thuggish as some of the government, both elements need to be rooted out (and we cant send them all to Bruxelles ;0) )

The Early Trade Unionists in England were dismissed as a drunken rabble, interesting how these so called thugs managed to rally the people in favour of a ban on child labour, safer working conditions and the forty hour work week, to say nothing of equal pay for women.

I didn't choose the thug life . . .

Fr. Ned

eeepaulo wrote: »

A porch, a rocking chair, a piece of grass, a shotgun?

Have all of the above.:D

Banjo String

Tbh some people (on 52% tax band) don't seem to realise this.

If you pay IW from your already taxed income......

It will take 1k of your salary to pay 480€ of a water bill.

No accountancy tricks required.

animaal

Recondite49 wrote: »

That's not quite what I meant. If taxes were raised to pay for water for everyone (which I would support) it's possible to increase your pension contributions to reduce your taxable income.

Fair enough. As you pointed out, you pay income tax once you start to draw down the pension. But also, there's the "pension levy", which is used to confiscate a portion of your pension savings every year.

I.e. if you've already saved €100k in a fund (which is only enough to provide you with an annual income of about €4k!!), you'll pay a levy of €750 this year. That's likely to be more than the water charge (although IW won't yet tell us how much that will be).

I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a fuss about the pension levy. It's outright theft from a section of the population that's trying to provide for their own future, but designed so as not to apply to politicians.

mrsbyrne

arse..biscuits wrote: »

LOL at all these "hard men"?

Go fill out your form and start paying for your water again, well done.

Wether you fill up the form or not your going to be paying for your water.
If you don't fill it up you will just be paying more then you needed to.

Curly Judge

animaal wrote: »

Fair enough. As you pointed out, you pay income tax once you start to draw down the pension. But also, there's the "pension levy", which is used to confiscate a portion of your pension savings every year.

I.e. if you've already saved €100k in a fund (which is only enough to provide you with an annual income of about €4k!!), you'll pay a levy of €750 this year. That's likely to be more than the water charge (although IW won't yet tell us how much that will be).

I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a fuss about the pension levy. It's outright theft from a section of the population that's trying to provide for their own future, but designed so as not to apply to politicians.

Interesting post!
Can you provide any link proving the the politicians have managed to exempt themselves?

Phoebas

Curly Judge wrote: »

Interesting post!
Can you provide any link proving the the politicians have managed to exempt themselves?

The pension levy he's referring to is on private pensions schemes. Politicians, in common with all other public and civil servants, are on a state pension scheme.

So it naturally follows (if you're willing to warp logic and common sense sufficiently) that any levy that happens not to apply to politicians is designed that way specifically to exempt politicians.
Funnily enough, you won't hear anyone claim that the public service pension levy that applies to public servants including politicians was designed that way specifically to target politicians. That would be stupid.

mrsbyrne

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Wether you fill up the form or not your going to be paying for your water.
If you don't fill it up you will just be paying more then you needed to.

Ah, MrsB, we don't want any ould logic or honesty here! We just want to hear anti Irish Water waffle.

Banjo String

This is why they imposed water charges.

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/revealed-the-troika-threats-to-bankrupt-ireland-30621197.html

By all means pay up if you believe in all the lies the Govt is spouting.

dxhound2005

Banjo String wrote: »

This is why they imposed water charges.

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/revealed-the-troika-threats-to-bankrupt-ireland-30621197.html

Resistance is your duty.

Our duty now is it? What about everyone should decide for themselves as you very reasonably stated yesterday?

My personal stance, (and I say this as a parent of two kids under 5) I am refusing to engage with Irish Water. I'll not be filling in their contract, I'll not be paying a bill. I have not, nor will not advocate anyone to do likewise Fwiw. Everyone has their own decision to make on this

Einhard

Whatever about the rights and wrongs of the water charge, the outrage over handing over allegedly highly sensitive PPS information is all rather manufactured. People hand over PPS details to claim all sorts of allowances, yet when it comes to some form of charge they're all up in arms. Don't be pontificating about your privacy being infringed if you're happy to divulge the same information when you stand to benefit from it.

suicide_circus

Banjo String wrote: »

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/revealed-the-troika-threats-to-bankrupt-ireland-30621197.html

The fall guys of Europe. Sickening.

dxhound2005

suicide_circus wrote: »

The fall guys of Europe. Sickening.

Get well soon.

Banjo String

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Our duty now is it? What about everyone should decide for themselves as you very reasonably stated yesterday?

My personal stance, (and I say this as a parent of two kids under 5) I am refusing to engage with Irish Water. I'll not be filling in their contract, I'll not be paying a bill. I have not, nor will not advocate anyone to do likewise Fwiw. Everyone has their own decision to make on this

You're right. Post amended.

suicide_circus

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Get well soon.

What? Oh, you thought the article had actually impacted negatively on my health. Easy mistake to make. No, you see I was using "sickening" as a euphemism for the sense of righteous indignation the article's contents caused me to experience. Haha.

Fr. Ned

suicide_circus wrote: »

The fall guys of Europe. Sickening.

It really just confirms what we knew all along.

The Irish people mightn't be so angry with the FFailures now that they've seen how we were treated by our 'friends' in Europe and America.

This is the real reason for all the new taxes and charges, to pay off the gambling debts of bankers and speculators.

Things like this reaffirm my decision not to engage with super quangos like "Irish Water'
Super quango's who really are just a money grabbing machine used to service odious debts that were forced on us.

Fools and their money are easily parted as the saying goes.

mrsbyrne

Missyelliot2 wrote: »

I agree, as am sure do so others here. But, people here are not apathetic - but we seem to be accepting of all the rubbish thrown in our direction. I am not a supporter of any party -(they all seem up their own!), but I did feel there was an air of change 'promised' - we're now delighted that through austerity -we're the best, most-obedient, well-behaved country in Europe! Well yippee for us - we must have the ****tiest hospital care ever!

Rant over .....I will pay for my water - I will not hand over my PPS number to 'Irish Water' .............so will I be sued/fined?

Your going to have a very difficult life going forward if you don't hand over your PPSN to anyone. You won't be able to rent a house buy a house drive a car apply for a grant open a bank account get a medical card etc etc.....but oh well if that's what you want.
No you won't he "sued/fined" (?!) you'll just have to pay more than other people who did give their PPSN.

Einhard

Oh FFS, even without the bailout of the banks we were still spending billions of euro more every year than we brought in in taxes. That's the reality, no matter how people want to dress it up. Even if we had refused to pay a single cent to the banks and others, e'd still need the water charges and the property tax.

Fr. Ned

Einhard wrote: »

Oh FFS, even without the bailout of the banks we were still spending billions of euro more every year than we brought in in taxes. That's the reality, no matter how people want to dress it up. Even if we had refused to pay a single cent to the banks and others, e'd still need the water charges and the property tax.

How much per year do you think the bankers are costing us? In interest payments alone? Have a guess.

How much will this super quango bring in each year?

Find out those two things and do the maths.

Banjo String

Einhard wrote: »

Oh FFS, even without the bailout of the banks we were still spending billions of euro more every year than we brought in in taxes. That's the reality, no matter how people want to dress it up. Even if we had refused to pay a single cent to the banks and others, e'd still need the water charges and the property tax.

Or address wastage.

If we're taxing the people 52% on average salaries, but it still isn't enough there's something badly, badly wrong.

Don't tell me it's water infrastructure that's to blame either.

Curly Judge

p_o_s_t_y wrote: »

I too won't be paying,there is a massive opposition to this double tax,I live in Ferrybank in Waterford and we have stopped the Irish Water gangsters from putting meters in,the media are not broadcasting any of this as they are owned by the big wigs,opposition is widespread across the country,stick together and oppose this so called tax

https://m.facebook.com/WatermeteringIrelandLetsfightback/posts/275307282657994

The people who adopted this stance on the LPT and the second homes tax have just ended up paying more in the end.
My take on it is that if you are receiving a service you should pay for it.
As it stands small businesses are being crippled doing all the heavy lifting on their own.
All thanks to "Honest Jack" Lynch and that unforgivable muttoner Martin O'Donoghue

Banjo String

Curly Judge wrote: »

The people who adopted this stance on the LPT and the second homes tax have just ended up paying more in the end.
My take on it is that if you are receiving a service you should pay for it.
As it stands small businesses are being crippled doing all the heavy lifting on their own.
All thanks to "Honest Jack" Lynch and that unforgivable muttoner Martin O'Donoghue

If by paying more, you mean the Revenue Commissioners deducting at source, then yeah.

Revenue aren't in the habit of helping private companies though.

Fr. Ned

If we need all this extra money why don't we just cut the pay of PS workers by around 30/40% to bring them in line with other European nations and cut the dole by the same amount.

That would save us around €10 billion per annum.

We live in a country where the Dublin city liberian earns €110k per annum FFS.
County managers are paid more than the prime minister of Spain and of many other countriesin the EU.

It's a joke that us in the private sector continually pay for.

Little CuChulainn

Banjo String wrote: »

Here you go. Btw. That's not what was asked of me earlier by seamus.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10203137401698805&set=vb.1319915454&type=2&theater

This is a clear example of someone interpreting something solely by how they want to. To most people this video shows the Gardaí escorting a protest of professional troublemakers (the same people have appeared in numerous other videos acting disgracefully). But you have interpreted this video as the Gardaí being escorted out of an estate from an angry mob.