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Banjo String · 02-10-2014 8:52am

geeksauce wrote: »

She lost me at Socialist Party. Love the way she claims that we are already paying for it, as if we all are paying for it. I would assume she meant to say all people paying taxes are paying for it.

Strange opinion tbh.

How can she live without paying vat (for starters)? Who is she? Does she work?

I also note big Phil has been rumbled personally forwarding CVs to Tierney for members of his own constituents.

Cushty numbers in semi-state employment, only if you're in the right clique.

Tony EH · 02-10-2014 8:52am

geeksauce wrote: »

No its reduced, personally I believe it should be cut off, if people don't want to pay for water then they shouldn't have water its a pretty simple concept. Now if people don't want to pay for water their supply will be reduced giving them enough to live on, just not enough to have numerous showers in one day, fill the kettle a hundred times, leave taps running for no reason, wash cars, water plants etc.

If people want to continue using as much water as they currently are and continue to have as much pressure in their taps as they currently do then they will have to pay for the privilege.

Fine, I'll have my tax back that I've paid into the system that's provided the funds for the nation's water supply.

Give me that back.

Until then, we're paying twice.

If you and other gobshites are happy to pay for something twice, then you can't be help, I'm afraid.

BTW, if it's going to take 2 minutes to fill a kettle, you won't be having any showers.

Tony EH · 02-10-2014 8:53am

geeksauce wrote: »

Really? Even those on Social Welfare pay tax?

Yes.

Every time you buy something you pay tax.

geeksauce · 02-10-2014 8:54am

Tony EH wrote: »

Fine, I'll have my tax back that I've paid into the system that's provided the funds for the nation's water supply.

Give me that back.

Until then, we're paying twice.

If you and other gobshites are happy to pay for something twice, then you can't be help, I'm afraid.

Doesn't exactly answer my question does it, instead it seems to be the same nonsensical rant that gets bandied about here all the time, 'blah blah blah I pay twice blah blah blah'

geeksauce · 02-10-2014 8:56am

Tony EH wrote: »

Yes.

Every time you buy something you pay tax.

Yes but people on Social Welfare aren't actually paying that tax though are they? The money the receive has been given to them for free, they have not provided a service for this money, the money given to them is given to them by the government who get it from those people that are employed and paying taxes. So in theory the employed person is the one paying the tax when the social welfare recipient buys something, the SW recipient is merely a middle man not a tax payer.

Tony EH · 02-10-2014 8:57am

geeksauce wrote: »

Doesn't exactly answer my question does it, instead it seems to be the same nonsensical rant that gets bandied about here all the time, 'blah blah blah I pay twice blah blah blah'

It answers your point perfectly.

People are already paying for the provision of water. They have been for years.

We are now going to have to pay a private company a new bill on top of the funds we are already paying through taxation.

That is paying twice.

If you cannot understand that, I'd refrain from commenting if I were you.

geeksauce · 02-10-2014 8:57am

Tony EH wrote: »

BTW, if it's going to take 2 minutes to fill a kettle, you won't be having any showers.

You could have one shower a day, a quick one, although you wont have much water for the rest of the day after it.

ThisRegard · 02-10-2014 8:58am

Banjo String wrote: »

Completely debunking the myth that it has anything to do with water conservation,

Not really, all meters simply aren't installed yet.

Tony EH · 02-10-2014 8:58am

geeksauce wrote: »

Yes but people on Social Welfare aren't actually paying that tax though are they? The money the receive has been given to them for free, they have not provided a service for this money, the money given to them is given to them by the government who get it from those people that are employed and paying taxes. So in theory the employed person is the one paying the tax when the social welfare recipient buys something, the SW recipient is merely a middle man not a tax payer.

Of course they are.

If they are buying anything the money is going back into the tax take. Ipso facto they are paying into the tax fund.

geeksauce · 02-10-2014 8:58am

Tony EH wrote: »

It answers your point perfectly.

People are already paying for the provision of water. They have been for years.

We are now going to have to pay a private company a new bill on top of the funds we are already paying through taxation.

That is paying twice.

If you cannot understand that, I'd refrain from commenting if I were you.

No my question was 'even those on social welfare pay tax'

Your response in no way answered that.

Tony EH · 02-10-2014 8:59am

geeksauce wrote: »

You could have one shower a day, a quick one, although you wont have much water for the rest of the day after it.

You need to look up something about volume.

Recondite49 · 02-10-2014 8:59am

geeksauce wrote: »

Doesn't exactly answer my question does it, instead it seems to be the same nonsensical rant that gets bandied about here all the time, 'blah blah blah I pay twice blah blah blah'

I do think you're ducking the issue geeksauce - if we're paying the water charge which was previously funded by income tax then where's the announcement from the government that our income tax has been reduced accordingly?

If it's the case that income tax won't cover it, I for one am happy to leave the USC where it is, despite government promises to lower it as it will mean those who earn little or are receiving welfare will have to pay little or nothing for water, while those who earn more will pay more - this is much fairer than a system where everyone pays a flat charge regardless of how little they have.

In any case, you're right in a sense - I won't be filling in the form or paying one cent in water charges so I'm only going to pay once!

geeksauce · 02-10-2014 8:59am

Tony EH wrote: »

Of course they are.

If they are buying anything the money is going back into the tax take. Ipso facto they are paying into the tax fund.

No they are using other peoples money to pay taxes they are not paying taxes themselves. Social Welfare recipients are now tax payers, oh the laugh.

relax carry on · 02-10-2014 9:00am

Tony EH wrote: »

Everybody pays tax.

Everybody pays "some" tax. Quite a few people pay no direct taxes but pay some small indirect tax.

Banjo String · 02-10-2014 9:00am

ThisRegard wrote: »

Not really, all meters simply aren't installed yet.

So how will 80% pay fairly for what they Use? My sums (not a mathematician tbf) that means only 20% will.

You completely and utterly contradicted yourself tbh.

geeksauce · 02-10-2014 9:01am

Recondite49 wrote: »

I do think you're ducking the issue geeksauce - if we're paying the water charge which was previously funded by income tax then where's the announcement from the government that our income tax has been reduced accordingly?

If it's the case that income tax won't cover it, I for one am happy to leave the USC where it is, despite government promises to lower it as it will mean those who earn little or are receiving welfare will have to pay little or nothing for water, while those who earn more will pay more - this is much fairer than a system where everyone pays a flat charge regardless of how little they have.

In any case, you're right in a sense - I won't be filling in the form or paying one cent in water charges so I'm only going to pay once!

No I am not ducking anything I am simply pointing out that those on Social Welfare don't pay income tax.

I for one would much rather a system whereby everyone pays the same for the water they use, the employed people are subsidising the unemployed enough at this stage.

relax carry on · 02-10-2014 9:03am

Tony EH wrote: »

Yes.

Every time you buy something you pay tax.

If you are referring to Vat, you do realise that quite a few goods and services are zero rated or exempt. (No vat)

geeksauce · 02-10-2014 9:03am

Tony EH wrote: »

You need to look up something about volume.

Why? So I can turn you down?

Tony EH · 02-10-2014 9:03am

There are more taxes than just income tax.

You really don't know what your talking about.

You're coming across a just another "scrap the dole" ranter.

Tony EH · 02-10-2014 9:04am

geeksauce wrote: »

Why? So I can turn you down?

No, so you can enlighten yourself.

geeksauce · 02-10-2014 9:05am

Tony EH wrote: »

There are more taxes than just income tax.

You really don't know what your talking about.

You're coming across a just another "scrap the dole" ranter.

You are coming across as just another 'don't know what I am talking about' ranter.

geeksauce · 02-10-2014 9:05am

Tony EH wrote: »

No, so you can enlighten yourself.

Wouldn't I have to turn up the lights for that?

geeksauce · 02-10-2014 9:06am

Tony EH wrote: »

There are more taxes than just income tax.

You really don't know what your talking about.

Such as?

Tony EH · 02-10-2014 9:07am

Oh dear.

No wonder you're happy paying twice for your water.

:pac:

gladrags · 02-10-2014 9:08am

Ireland family life in the mid 17th century.

"Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it.. Hence the saying, “Don’t throw the baby out with the Bath water!”

So you think you'r having it bad!

Fr. Ned · 02-10-2014 9:10am

relax carry on wrote: »

Ned, while i do understand that you obviously oppose water charges and have issues with the Government and mechanisms of the state, if you are going to head down this well trodden path you aren't going to get anywhere apart from raising a cheer or two from the fringes.
Have a coherent argument, back it up with facts and challenge your opponent with logic and reason. You do yourself and your cause no favours by descending into childish rants.

Eh, In my opinion our PS are well overpaid by European standards and the figures bear that out.
We now have water charges because we don't have enough money to pay our cosseted PS staff.
Our welfare bill is almost €20 billion PA, another reason we have to continue bringing in new taxes and charges.
That's not a childish rant, that's just the facts.
€110k pa for a city librarian, county managers earning more than prime ministers, people refusing to take employment because they're better off on the scratch, the sense of entitlement in this place is DISGUSTING.

Fr. Ned · 02-10-2014 9:11am

geeksauce wrote: »

No I am not ducking anything I am simply pointing out that those on Social Welfare don't pay income tax.

the employed people are subsidising the unemployed enough at this stage.

And the private sector are subsidising the PS enough too.

ThisRegard · 02-10-2014 9:12am

Banjo String wrote: »

So how will 80% pay fairly for what they Use? My sums (not a mathematician tbf) that means only 20% will.

You completely and utterly contradicted yourself tbh.

I didn't.

Timberrrrrrrr · 02-10-2014 9:13am

Tony EH wrote: »

I'd have to apply for Social Welfare to make ends meet.

So technically, yes, I would be unemployed.

But you wouldn't be unemployed would you because you are still in employment, Reduced hours but still in employment.

geeksauce · 02-10-2014 9:14am

Tony EH wrote: »

Oh dear.

No wonder you're happy paying twice for your water.

:pac:

Right so that answers everything then!!! :rolleyes:

Good argument there.

blah blah blah Pacman emoticon

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