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Fr. Ned · 02-10-2014 9:37pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Evidence please.

When you show me evidence of all these 'shinners' you're always going on about and how they're connected to the protests.

dxhound2005 · 02-10-2014 9:39pm

Fr. Ned wrote: »

When you show me evidence of all these 'shinners' you're always going on about and how they're connected to the protests.

You are trying to trick me. I gave you what you wanted. Your turn next.

dxhound2005 · 02-10-2014 9:46pm

Fr. Ned wrote: »

I said privatisation will happen years from now, not 'upcoming' as in the imminent.
Now, who were the others arrested?

OK since you added your little codicil. But no more until you give me the inside story on privitisation.

A MAN accused of a number of public order offences had to go to hospital instead of staying in court after he got very sunburnt and was stung in the eye. xxxxxx (53) with an address at xxxxxxxx, Dundalk, was before the court on public order charges dating back to 2006. There was also another charge of breach of the peace at xxxxxxx on January 16th. -

He is another of the "protestors".

Fr. Ned · 02-10-2014 9:48pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You are trying to trick me. I gave you what you wanted. Your turn next.

Well, we only have to look across the water to that country you reference so much to see what happens when a basic commodity like water is privatised.
Now, you and your lot are forever banging on about how we have to be like other countries so we can only presume that privatisation is the only way it can work.
More recently here we had bin charges brought in by the county councils and now, 10-15 years later, bin collection is privatised. Tags went from €1.50 or thereabouts to €9.50 now in my area. I can only presume that's what's going to happen.

One final thing, the ECB has instructed this country to sell off state assets to pay down debt. Lets see how that pans out in a few years time, shall we.

Buona Fortuna · 02-10-2014 9:52pm

Why when one minute we were talking about some guy with 13 kids are we now in the middle of the plethora of all things Uisce?

dxhound2005 · 02-10-2014 9:54pm

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Well, we only have to look across the water to that country you reference so much to see what happens when a basic commodity like water is privatised.
Now, you and your lot are forever banging on about how we have to be like other countries so we can only presume that privatisation is the only way it can work.
More recently here we had bin charges brought in by the county councils and now, 10-15 years later, bin collection is privatised. Tags went from €1.50 or thereabouts to €9.50 now in my area. I can only presume that's what's going to happen.

One final thing, the ECB has instructed this country to sell off state assets to pay down debt. Lets see how that pans out in a few years time, shall we.

You are completely ignoring the democratic process. After 2016 we could have a government who will dissolve IW. And put waste collection back into the hands of local authorities.

I can do speculation just as good as you.

gladrags · 02-10-2014 9:54pm

"Pricing Water in Europe

Given the variety of pricing structures in place across Europe, it is difficult to get a good uniform measure of water pricing. Any approach to compare water pricing is going to be imperfect given the variety of pricing schemes in place. The approach taken in the Global Water Intelligence Report 2011 is to take the costs based on fixed costs and a consumption of 15, 000 litres per person per month (500 litres per person per day) and then divide by 15 to give a price per 1,000 litres. These costs also include wastewater costs.

The average price of water across many European Cities varies from €0.40 up to €5.75 per 1,000 litres. Within countries huge variation can be seen. In Sweden, for example, citizens in Malmo pay just €1.03 while those in Gothenberg pay €4.19 per 1000 litres.

Of the 65 western European cities reported on who charge for water (Dublin, Cork and Belfast being the only ones who do not) only one city (Glasgow) has a decreasing price structure, i.e. the more water you use the less you pay per litre. This can be thought of like a bulk buying discount. 20 cities (mainly located in Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy) have increasing pricing, so the more you use the more you pay per litre. The remaining 44 cities (Germany, France and UK) have linear charging schemes, so you pay the same price per litre regardless of how much you are using."

Wonder how many countries have privatised water supply.

http://www.publicpolicy.ie/domestic-water-charges-in-europe/

dxhound2005 · 02-10-2014 9:56pm

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Why when one minute we were talking about some guy with 13 kids are we now in the middle of the plethora of all things Uisce?

I very opaque process called merging of threads, I believe.

bloodyhawk · 02-10-2014 9:57pm

I am not really fond of this. Government plans to introduce charges for one of the most basic of human rights.
in my opinion i don't think this should be allowed to happen. Aren't we already paying for our water through our taxes?.

(Maybe soon we should give up on breathing as well...)

dxhound2005 · 02-10-2014 9:58pm

bloodyhawk wrote: »

I am not really fond of this. Government plans to introduce charges for one of the most basic of human rights.
in my opinion i don't think this should be allowed to happen. Aren't we already paying for our water through our taxes?.

(Maybe soon we should give up on breathing as well...)

Give up writing instead.

Buona Fortuna · 02-10-2014 9:58pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I very opaque process called merging of threads, I believe.

Yes. Maybe we could have one really big thread and just call it All things Ireland.

dxhound2005 · 02-10-2014 9:59pm

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Yes. Maybe we could have one really big thread and just call it All things Ireland.

It would close down when it reached 10,000 posts. What would you do then?

Buona Fortuna · 02-10-2014 10:01pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

It would close down when it reached 10,000 posts. What would you do then?

Go and socialise in the real world

lacco · 02-10-2014 10:03pm

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Well, we only have to look across the water to that country you reference so much to see what happens when a basic commodity like water is privatised.
Now, you and your lot are forever banging on about how we have to be like other countries so we can only presume that privatisation is the only way it can work.
More recently here we had bin charges brought in by the county councils and now, 10-15 years later, bin collection is privatised. Tags went from €1.50 or thereabouts to €9.50 now in my area. I can only presume that's what's going to happen.

One final thing, the ECB has instructed this country to sell off state assets to pay down debt. Lets see how that pans out in a few years time, shall we.

And don't forget Bord Gais Energy and parts of the ESB I think.

dxhound2005 · 02-10-2014 10:04pm

lacco wrote: »

And don't forget Bord Gais Energy and parts of the ESB I think.

Are these quangos or super-quangos?

mynameismud · 02-10-2014 10:05pm

OSI wrote: »

Yes, I can see the massive difference.

Bravo.[/QUOTE]

No,sadly for you I don't think you can.

Fr. Ned · 02-10-2014 10:07pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Give up writing instead.

WTF do you think you are?
You want to shut down all discussion, don't you.....
This is a forum to discuss things like this super quango.
If you don't like that fact you know what to do.

Buona Fortuna · 02-10-2014 10:07pm

Fr. Ned wrote: »

WTF do you think you are?
You want to shut down all discussion, don't you.....

Are you really a priest?

lacco · 02-10-2014 10:07pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Are these quangos or super-quangos?

In fairness I never use that word.

Fr. Ned · 02-10-2014 10:11pm

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Are you really a priest?

Eh, no.
Although my mother always wanted me to be one.:D

dxhound2005 · 02-10-2014 10:11pm

lacco wrote: »

In fairness I never use that word.

I know. But they hadn't made an appearance on this page and I was feeling nostalgic. I'm missing my trough as well.

ThisRegard · 02-10-2014 10:12pm

bloodyhawk wrote: »

. Aren't we already paying for our water through our taxes?.

No. Read some of the posts by Seamus on this thread who explained it well.

Fr. Ned · 02-10-2014 10:13pm

lacco wrote: »

In fairness I never use that word.

I put up the definition of a quango on here the other night.
Irish water qualifies on all counts.

Fr. Ned · 02-10-2014 10:15pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I know. But they hadn't made an appearance on this page and I was feeling nostalgic. I'm missing my trough as well.

You really don't have anything further to add, do you?
Rinse and repeat.

mfceiling · 02-10-2014 10:18pm

It will be interesting to see where the pricing structure goes over the next few years.

Any takers on a newspaper headline in 3-4 years along the lines of...

Irish Water prices amongst the highest in Europe

dxhound2005 · 02-10-2014 10:19pm

mfceiling wrote: »

It will be interesting to see where the pricing structure goes over the next few years.

Any takers on a newspaper headline in 3-4 years along the lines of...

Irish Water prices amongst the highest in Europe

Two things. Fixed until end of 2016. After that it could be abolished. If enough people vote that way. Everything else is speculation.

ThisRegard · 02-10-2014 10:25pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

After that it could be abolished. If enough people vote that way. Everything else is speculation.

We can't vote to abolish it. And unless the economy improves dramatically no government party at the time will abolish it.

It was part of the agreement FF made as acceptance for the bailout.

Fr. Ned · 02-10-2014 10:27pm

mfceiling wrote: »

It will be interesting to see where the pricing structure goes over the next few years.

Any takers on a newspaper headline in 3-4 years along the lines of...

Irish Water prices amongst the highest in Europe

Paddy Power wouldn't even give you odds on that...........

dxhound2005 · 02-10-2014 10:28pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

We can't vote to abolish it. And unless the economy improves dramatically no government party at the time will abolish it.

It was part of the agreement FF made as acceptance for the bailout.

Very baffling. The election will be full of candidates promising to scrap water charges (and property tax). From what I read here very few will vote for any party which had any act or part in introducing these measures.

papu · 02-10-2014 10:30pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Very baffling. The election will be full of candidates promising to scrap water charges (and property tax). From what I read here very few will vote for any party which had any act or part in introducing these measures.

Are they going to leave the EU aswell to achieve this?

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