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Malaysian airline MH-17 discussion thread

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    #272
    wp_rathead
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    fedor.2. wrote: »
    I can't believe there are people looting the wreckage and the bodies.

    This sounds like The Sun is up to its Hillsborough rumour sh!t again...


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    #273
    Duff
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    fedor.2. wrote: »
    I can't believe there are people looting the wreckage and the bodies.

    Absolutely disgusting if true.


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    #274
    Captain Chaos
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    listermint wrote: »
    Embarrassed for your posts when all evidence points to the opposite. Some people should think before the post rather than posting unadulterated nonsense.

    Hope you feel better about the situation now you have all that off your chest.


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    #275
    AlanS181824
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭AlanS181824


    There's an image on Twitter and I don't really know why but it really got to me.

    It's at the crash scene and it's a pile of Passports that they've recovered so far.

    Obviously the owners aren't around any more.

    Terrible looking.

    RIP to those lost.


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    #276
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    This is supposedly what shot it down
    http://rt.com/files/politics/kuril-islands-defense-military-736/buk-m1-anti-aircraft-missile-system.jpg


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    #277
    gandalf
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    AlanS181824 wrote: »
    There's an image on Twitter and I don't really know why but it really got to me.

    It's at the crash scene and it's a pile of Passports that they've recovered so far.

    Obviously the owners aren't around any more.

    Terrible looking.

    RIP to those lost.

    It's a still from a video. The video goes on to show the identity of three of the victims, two of them Dutch teenagers.


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    #278
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users Posts: 9,068 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    Ironically on the 17 July 1996 TWA Flight 800 was shot down by a missile.


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    #279
    listermint
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    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    Hope you feel better about the situation now you have all that off your chest.

    I dont. Its an incredibly destructive tradegy. Doesnt help that people who haven't a breeze what they are talking about are out posting utter nonsense on the net.

    As I said stop embarrassing yourself with posts and stop responding when you are called out on it. Good man for the last word thought so I expect more....


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    #280
    keith16
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    wprathead wrote: »
    This sounds like The Sun is up to its Hillsborough rumour sh!t again...
    Duff wrote: »
    Absolutely disgusting if true.

    I'd be inclined to believe it.

    After the Polish presidential plane crashed in Smolensk, bodies were looted and the idiots were only caught as they were trying to use stolen credit cards from the deceased a few days later.

    Has reportedly happened at other crash sites too.


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    #281
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Ironically on the 17 July 1996 TWA Flight 800 was shot down by a missile.

    Its fuel tank exploded =/


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    #282
    AlanS181824
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    gandalf wrote: »
    It's a still from a video. The video goes on to show the identity of three of the victims, two of them Dutch teenagers.

    Oh thats terrible.

    I've friends from Netherlands.


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    #283
    Duggy747
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    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    This was the post made claiming to have done it, quickly deleted:
    http://i.imgur.com/IMaKN3h.jpg

    I had a go on the Wayback Machine and it's there, scroll down a small bit to the 17:50 post.

    And here's what Google Translate gave back, pretty much what's already posted except in worse translation:
    "In the area Torrez just downed plane An-26, lying somewhere in the mine" Progress. "
    Also warned - do not fly in "our sky."
    And here is the confirmation of the next video "ptichkopada."
    Bird fell for waste heap, the residential sector is not caught. Civilians are not injured.

    And also have information about the second downed aircraft, like the Su. "


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    #284
    comongethappy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Ironically on the 17 July 1996 TWA Flight 800 was shot down by a missile.

    No.... No it wasn't.


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    #285
    who_me
    Registered Users Posts: 3,669 ✭✭✭who_me


    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    No they would not have known. Only military aircraft know that a missile has been launched at them because they are fitted with radar warning receivers completely different system than standard radar. They may have seen it for a split second before it hit if they were looking the right way and if it didn't hit directly underneath.

    It's entirely possible that the voice & data recorders - even if recovered - mightn't directly reveal anything. If it was somehow shot down, there would likely just be a sudden catastrophic failure and a chaotic reaction from the flight crew - and that's assuming the recording equipment and dependant connections survived the initial event. But the same would be true if there were some other sudden explosion.

    One minor thing that caught my eye was the plane climbed from 31,000 to 33,000 feed a few minutes before the incident - I wonder if they were aware the area they were entering was contentious and climbed a couple of thousand ft. accordingly. Not that 2,000ft more is much of a buffer, mind.

    Who knows. We don't even know for certain yet that it was shot down.


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    #286
    donegal__road
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    is it known for sure that is was a missile that took the plane down today?

    It is very recently that authorities in the US were warning of a new undetectable explosives that airlines were bringing in extra airport security to look out for.


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    #287
    The One Doctor
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    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Ironically on the 17 July 1996 TWA Flight 800 was shot down by a missile.

    That was KAL007. TWA 800 exploded due to fuel vapour ignition.


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    #288
    Firefox11
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    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Ironically on the 17 July 1996 TWA Flight 800 was shot down by a missile.

    No. That was debunked conspiracy theory.


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    #289
    wretcheddomain
    Registered Users Posts: 3,094 ✭✭✭wretcheddomain


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Ironically on the 17 July 1996 TWA Flight 800 was shot down by a missile.

    What exactly is "ironic" about that? I think you should look up what the word ironic actually means.

    The second part of your post belongs to the Conspiracy Forum -->


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    #290
    ceadaoin.
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    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Ironically on the 17 July 1996 TWA Flight 800 was shot down by a missile.

    Although, personally I do believe it was a missile, this has always been denied and the official investigation concluded it was an explosion in the fuel tank despite evidence to the contrary. I wonder will we ever know the truth in this case. Doesn't look like it if the black box has been taken and people are dismantling pieces of wreckage.


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    #291
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users Posts: 9,068 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Its fuel tank exploded =/

    Yup after getting hit by a missile.


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    #292
    miss no stars
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    who_me wrote: »
    It's entirely possible that the voice & data recorders - even if recovered - mightn't directly reveal anything. If it was somehow shot down, there would likely just be a sudden catastrophic failure and a chaotic reaction from the flight crew - and that's assuming the recording equipment and dependant connections survived the initial event. But the same would be true if there were some other sudden explosion.

    One minor thing that caught my eye was the plane climbed from 31,000 to 33,000 feed a few minutes before the incident - I wonder if they were aware the area they were entering was contentious and climbed a couple of thousand ft. accordingly. Not that 2,000ft more is much of a buffer, mind.

    Who knows. We don't even know for certain yet that it was shot down.

    EASA issued a directive to avoid the area months ago. They should have been aware.


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    #293
    darkpagandeath
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    donegal__road wrote: »
    is it known for sure that is was a missile that took the plane down today?

    It is very recently that authorities in the US were warning of a new undetectable explosives that airlines were bringing in extra airport security to look out for.

    We know 2 Ukrainian plane have been shot down in that area by sophisticated SAM. This plan was flying over the same area and breaks up mid are and crashes.


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    #294
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users Posts: 9,068 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    wretcheddomain wrote: »
    What exactly is "ironic" about that? I think you should look up what the word ironic actually means.

    The second part of your post belongs to the Conspiracy Forum -->

    I bet you think al megrahi blew up the Lockerbie plane.


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    #295
    darkpagandeath
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    miss no stars wrote: »
    EASA issued a directive to avoid the area months ago. They should have been aware.

    They diverted over the area due to bad weather on the normal flight path.


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    #296
    miss no stars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭miss no stars


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    The diverted over the area due to bad weather on the normal flight path.

    Divert elsewhere.


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    #297
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Yup after getting hit by a missile.

    According to Alex Jones, maybe


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    #298
    Tar.Aldarion
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    I can't believe there are planes still flying over the area.


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    #299
    Conas
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    According to the position log, the altitude of the plane was 33,000 before it went off the radar. I'm guessing it was shot down from the sky then, and not the ground.


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    #300
    donegal__road
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    Firefox11 wrote: »
    No. That was debunked conspiracy theory.

    yes, but my god did you see the theory that the authorities came up with to explain how that accident happened?


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    #301
    Harry Palmr
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    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Ironically on the 17 July 1996 TWA Flight 800 was shot down by a missile.

    hello Alanis.


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