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Malaysian airline MH-17 discussion thread

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    #302
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users Posts: 8,307 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    I bet you think al megrahi blew up the Lockerbie plane.


    E was only supposed blow the bleedin doors off :rolleyes:

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



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    #303
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    The reaction of the US and other NATO members is going to be interesting if it's confirmed that the Pro-Russian insurgents are responsible.

    Unconfirmed reports are saying 23 US citizens on boards, in the video clip posted on twitter there are a number of Dutch Passports and at least 2 UK ones as well.


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    #304
    Lord Trollington
    Registered Users Posts: 4,412 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    Anyone watching RT (Russia Today)?

    Everything they are reporting seem to be in complete contradiction to what Sky News are reporting.


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    #305
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    miss no stars wrote: »
    Divert elsewhere.

    I'm sure you could if you had unlimited fuel to divert drastically out of the area. but that not being the case i assume that's why the diverted to that flight path.


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    #306
    Firefox11
    Registered Users Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭Firefox11


    donegal__road wrote: »
    yes, but my god did you see the theory that the authorities came up with to explain how that accident happened?

    Aye.....The Truth is out there...


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    #307
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    gandalf wrote: »
    The reaction of the US and other NATO members is going to be interesting if it's confirmed that the Pro-Russian insurgents are responsible.

    There is going to be one hell of a diplomatic row no matter who is responsible.


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    #308
    who_me
    Registered Users Posts: 3,669 ✭✭✭who_me


    miss no stars wrote: »
    EASA issued a directive to avoid the area months ago. They should have been aware.

    Thanks, that was clumsily worded by me. I should have written: "Knowing the area they were entering was in contention, I wonder if they thus climbed 2,000ft..".

    On the previous reported quote claiming credit for shooting down an An-26 - an An-26 is a small turboprop aircraft with a ceiling of ~25,000ft. It's hard to imagine how anyone could have mistaken a large Boeing 777 @ 33,000ft for one of those.


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    #309
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Lord Trollington wrote: »
    Anyone watching RT (Russia Today)?

    Everything they are reporting seem to be in complete contradiction to what Sky News are reporting.

    Of course they are. If the Pro-Russians are responsible Russia are going to be in a very difficult place and will face punitive sanctions.


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    #310
    bear1
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    I wonder if any Irish were on board seeing as it is a popular route to Oz.
    This could be the final nail in the coffin both for Malaysian and the Wests attitude to the on going war there.


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    #311
    comongethappy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    Lord Trollington wrote: »
    Anyone watching RT (Russia Today)?

    Everything they are reporting seem to be in complete contradiction to what Sky News are reporting.

    Its incredible viewing.

    Was watching the 7oclock bulletin where they blamed the Ukrainian government, by their own admission, without proof.

    They are also saying that Putin was the intended target.....


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    #312
    miss no stars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭miss no stars


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I'm sure you could if you had unlimited fuel to divert drastically out of the area. but that not being the case i assume that's why the diverted to that flight path.

    Look, I'm not being smart or anything, but nobody was forcing them to fly that route. Go further north or further south or don't go at all. If you can't make it in one hop, do it in 2. It is a known conflict zone, there are directives out from EASA to avoid the airspace and there have already been an aircraft shot down in the last month.


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    #313
    miss no stars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭miss no stars


    bear1 wrote: »
    I wonder if any Irish were on board seeing as it is a popular route to Oz.
    This could be the final nail in the coffin both for Malaysian and the Wests attitude to the on going war there.

    Much the same:

    http://www.twf.org/News/Y2003/0815-Lockerbie2.jpg


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    #314
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,932 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    miss no stars wrote: »
    Look, I'm not being smart or anything, but nobody was forcing them to fly that route. Go further north or further south or don't go at all. If you can't make it in one hop, do it in 2. It is a known conflict zone, there are directives out from EASA to avoid the airspace and there have already been an aircraft shot down in the last month.
    No words


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    #315
    banquo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    I think what the poster meant is that it looks like there were warnings sent out to all airlines saying "Do not fly this route for a while", and every airline except MA seems to have heeded that.


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    #316
    Lord Trollington
    Registered Users Posts: 4,412 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    gandalf wrote: »
    Of course they are. If the Pro-Russians are responsible Russia are going to be in a very difficult place and will face punitive sanctions.

    The anchor is Northern Irish along with a English bloke. I know RT pay their wages. But these guys would have journalist background.

    How do they sit there reporting this muck.


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    #317
    comongethappy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    Lord Trollington wrote: »
    The anchor is Northern Irish along with a English bloke. I know RT pay their wages. But these guys would have journalist background.

    How do they sit there reporting this muck.

    Its baffling alright.... They must be well paid.


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    #318
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Lord Trollington wrote: »
    The anchor is Northern Irish along with a English bloke. I know RT pay their wages. But these guys would have journalist background.

    How do they sit there reporting this muck.

    You will always find people who are willing to sacrifice their integrity for money.


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    #319
    userod
    Registered Users Posts: 327 ✭✭userod


    Conas wrote: »
    He went into protect ethnic Russians, who wanted him to go in after the illegal overthrow of a legit goverment, and who voted unanimously to rejoin Russia. He hasn't moved any further since. If the people of Crimea don't want to be part of Ukraine anymore, that's their decision. The same way if the people of Northern Ireland, no longer wanted to be part of the UK, they can do it also.

    Will you please do us all a favour and do as you said you would do, finally.
    Conas wrote: »
    I'm not peddling personal agenda's. I'm giving my personal opinion. But you know what, I'm finished discussing this airline crash, the issue in Gaza, and any other issues people are debating lately. I'm finished with boards,ie. People have taken upon themselves to attack me every post.


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    #320
    mickmackey1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    We'd be better off listening to Murdoch alright.


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    #321
    porsche959
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    Lord Trollington wrote: »
    The anchor is Northern Irish along with a English bloke. I know RT pay their wages. But these guys would have journalist background.

    How do they sit there reporting this muck.

    Don't think they're any worse than Fox news on the other extreme. Though being no worse than Fox news is perhaps not the highest standard to aim at.


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    #322
    brandon_flowers
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    gandalf wrote: »
    You will always find people who are willing to sacrifice their integrity for money.

    You won't find the opposite in too many places either though!


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    #323
    floggg
    Registered Users Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    Just an educated guess that they don't have access to that type of hardware. Anything is possible though.

    I would imagine what Russia has, they have.


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    #324
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,277 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    banquo wrote: »
    I think what the poster meant is that it looks like there were warnings sent out to all airlines saying "Do not fly this route for a while", and every airline except MA seems to have heeded that.

    Is there a source stating that Malaysia was the only airline to still fly over Ukraine? I thought that at least BA and Virgin did and have only announced that they won't since this incident.


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    #325
    Conas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Conas


    userod wrote: »
    Will you please do us all a favour and do as you said you would do, finally.

    Yeah ok, I'll keep my word and go. Bye.


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    #326
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Is there a source stating that Malaysia was the only airline to still fly over Ukraine? I thought that at least BA and Virgin did and have only announced that they won't since this incident.

    And Aeroflot and Air France


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    #327
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Is there a source stating that Malaysia was the only airline to still fly over Ukraine? I thought that at least BA and Virgin did and have only announced that they won't since this incident.
    gandalf wrote: »
    And Aeroflot and Air France

    Airlines that fly that route were all still flying it until this tragedy, I don't get why people are picking on Malaysia.


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    #328
    brandon_flowers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭brandon_flowers


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Is there a source stating that Malaysia was the only airline to still fly over Ukraine? I thought that at least BA and Virgin did and have only announced that they won't since this incident.

    An Air India 787 and Singapore Airlines 777 were within 25km of the MH plane at the time it was shot down.


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    #329
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,277 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    brandon_flowers wrote: »
    An Air India 787 and Singapore Airlines 777 were within 25km of the MH plane at the time it was shot down.
    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Airlines that fly that route were all still flying it until this tragedy, I don't get why people are picking on Malaysia.
    gandalf wrote: »
    And Aeroflot and Air France

    So I don't get how anyone could suggest the airline are at fault here? It could have happened to any plane that was in the area at the time.


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    #330
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Aljazeera have just shown camera phone footage of the plane hitting the ground
    jesus , what away to die :(


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    #331
    miss no stars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭miss no stars


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Airlines that fly that route were all still flying it until this tragedy, I don't get why people are picking on Malaysia.

    Nobody is picking on Malaysia Airlines. In response to someone saying (they've since clarified that how they phrased it was not how they intended it) that maybe they realized they were going into a conflict zone, I stated that EASA had already issued a notice that airlines should avoid that airspace. For some reason, someone decided that they had no other option but to fly in that airspace. I pointed out that they had other options, but they didn't choose to use them. That's not picking on Malaysia Airlines; that's stating the obvious.


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