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Malaysian airline MH-17 discussion thread

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    #3482
    Schadenfreudia
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    The Dutch???

    Really.

    :cool:

    Yes, the Dutch were involved in the occupation of Iraq.


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    #3483
    Schadenfreudia
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Look Look, Over there over there, Not over here, Look look over there.

    You think repeating that gibberish contributes something to the debate?


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    #3484
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,455 ✭✭✭weisses


    Schadenfreudia wrote: »
    I'd prefer if you answered my question before asking me one.

    Where in the quote you did you ask a question ?


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    #3485
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Schadenfreudia wrote: »
    Would you agree to include the shooting down of IA655 and the "illegal movement of weapons into Iraq" with the MH investigation.

    Let all three proceed together?

    Yes or no?

    Getting into silliness now.

    How many other "investigations" do you want included? How about an investigation into the annomolies with the US election results in 2001 that put bush in power?

    :confused:


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    #3486
    Elmer Blooker
    Registered Users Posts: 6,125 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    weisses wrote: »
    It where the Malaysians who filed the motion Because of the origin of the aircraft but its a joint motion between them and Dutch/belgian/Ukraine/Australia
    Those four countries again. Attack is the best form of defence as they say!
    Yesterday's motion at the UN stinks to high heaven!
    On August 8, Ukraine, the Netherlands, Australia and Belgium signed a non-disclosure agreement pertaining to data obtained during the investigation into the causes of the crash of Malaysian Airlines MH17

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-causes-of-the-mh17-crash-are-classified-ukraine-netherlands-austr


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    #3487
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,455 ✭✭✭weisses


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Getting into silliness now.

    How many other "investigations" do you want included? How about an investigation into the annomolies with the US election results in 2001 that put bush in power?

    :confused:

    I raise you one .... What if Lincoln wasn't murdered ?


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    #3488
    Schadenfreudia
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Getting into silliness now.

    How many other "investigations" do you want included? How about an investigation into the annomolies with the US election results in 2001 that put bush in power?

    :confused:

    Is that a "yes" or a "no"?


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    #3489
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    weisses wrote: »
    I raise you one .... What if Lincoln wasn't murdered ?

    Inevitability we'll end up with demands to investigate Israel.

    :(


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    #3490
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Schadenfreudia wrote: »
    Is that a "yes" or a "no"?

    Its not a serious question.


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    #3491
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,455 ✭✭✭weisses


    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    Those four countries again. Attack is the best form of defence as they say!
    Yesterday's motion at the UN stinks to high heaven!


    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-causes-of-the-mh17-crash-are-classified-ukraine-netherlands-austr

    Of course it stinks .. your link does

    original Russian

    edited by Global Research


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    #3492
    Schadenfreudia
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    weisses wrote: »
    It where the Malaysians who filed the motion Because of the origin of the aircraft but its a joint motion between them and Dutch/belgian/Ukraine/Australia

    All countries who where involved in "moving weapons illegally into Iraq".


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    #3493
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Getting into silliness now.

    How many other "investigations" do you want included? How about an investigation into the annomolies with the US ele4ction results in 2001 that put bush in power?

    :confused:

    I've a few that could be included actually
    Korean airline flight 902 shot down by Russian air defences in '78

    Korean airline flight 007 shot down by a Russian fighter jet in "83

    In 93 3 Georgian airliners were shot down also

    Has Russia got something about Asian civil aviation they keep targeting
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    #3494
    Schadenfreudia
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    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Inevitability we'll end up with demands to investigate Israel.

    :(

    Yes, there is no good reason why the downing of LAA114 should not be included in an International Tribunal.


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    #3495
    Schadenfreudia
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    Gatling wrote: »
    I've a few that could be included actually
    Korean airline flight 902 shot down by Russian air defences in '78

    Korean airline flight 007 shot down by a Russian fighter jet in "83

    In 93 3 Georgian airliners were shot down also

    Has Russia got something about Asian civil aviation they keep targeting

    Dunno. Maybe the same thing US/Israel has against airlines from Islamic countries? Who knows?


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    #3496
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Schadenfreudia wrote: »
    Maybe the same thing US/Israel has against...

    Here we go...

    :P


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    #3497
    Schadenfreudia
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    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Its not a serious question.

    It is a very serious question - the sort of question which is constantly dismissed by the West when fingers are pointed in our direction.

    Hence we have the ICC collapsing in Africa and a complete failure to get major powers to sign up to it.


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    #3498
    weisses
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    Schadenfreudia wrote: »
    All countries who where involved in "moving weapons illegally into Iraq".

    Ooh right so they have no case getting the shooting down of a civilian airliner investigated by the security council ... I get you now :o


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    #3499
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Schadenfreudia wrote: »
    You think repeating that gibberish contributes something to the debate?

    As much as asking for everyone and his dog to be investigated to allow an investigation into the downing of this plane by Russian separatists.


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    #3500
    Elmer Blooker
    Registered Users Posts: 6,125 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    As much as asking for everyone and his dog to be investigated to allow an investigation into the downing of this plane by Russian separatists.
    No need to investigate dogs but I would like to see the UN investigate war crimes against civilians, for example the bombing of water pumping stations and sewage treatment plants in Iraq and Libya. As for the bombing of schools and universities in Gaza I won't even go there!
    If there ever was a motion proposed I'll give you one guess who would veto it?


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    #3501
    darkpagandeath
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    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    No need to investigate dogs but I would like to see the UN investigate war crimes against civilians, for example the bombing of water pumping stations and sewage treatment plants in Iraq and Libya.
    If there ever was a motion proposed I'll give you one guess who would veto it?

    What has any of that got to do with this thread ?


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    #3502
    Schadenfreudia
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    an investigation into the downing of this plane by Russian separatists.

    Why hold an investigation if we already know what happened? :rolleyes:


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    #3503
    Schadenfreudia
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    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Here we go...

    :P

    I can see you have problems with the concept that justice should be impartial.


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    #3504
    Schadenfreudia
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    weisses wrote: »
    Ooh right so they have no case getting the shooting down of a civilian airliner investigated by the security council ... I get you now :o

    "No chance" more than "no case" :rolleyes:

    For the reasons I have patiently tried to explain.....


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    #3505
    Schadenfreudia
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    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    No need to investigate dogs but I would like to see the UN investigate war crimes against civilians, for example the bombing of water pumping stations and sewage treatment plants in Iraq and Libya. As for the bombing of schools and universities in Gaza I won't even go there!
    If there ever was a motion proposed I'll give you one guess who would veto it?

    Darpagandeath? ;)


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    #3506
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    So russia shoots down not one ,
    Not two
    But 3 civilian airliners reaccuring theme actually.

    We get oh look what America did .

    We forgot to mention Russia's massacres in Europe Czechoslovakia.
    Poland
    Afghanistan where they massacred 100's of thousands afghans and literally wiped villages off the map .

    And when they invade east Ukraine and shoot down MH17 we get

    Ohhhhhhhh America did this America did that isreal did that .

    July 2014 Russian anti air missles shot down a civilian airliner over Ukraine this anti air system was crewed by Russian military and when they realised they shot down a civilian airliner they whisked said missles back to Russia .

    Seems people want to blame America some how
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    #3507
    Schadenfreudia
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    Gatling wrote: »
    So russia shoots down not one ,
    Not two.....Ohhhhhhhh America did this America did that isreal did that

    is there a point struggling to get out in that rant?
    July 2014 Russian anti air missles shot down a civilian airliner over Ukraine this anti air system was crewed by Russian military and when they realised they shot down a civilian airliner they whisked said missles back to Russia .

    Again; if everyone already knows exactly what happened what's the point of an inquiry?

    You are actually admitting it was a mistake in a war situation! - so what's the point of the "investigation"?


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    #3508
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Schadenfreudia wrote: »
    I can see you have problems with the concept that justice should be impartial.

    Actually its more like wishing threads on Internet forums would stay on topic.

    :)


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    #3509
    InTheTrees
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    Schadenfreudia wrote: »
    it was a mistake in a war situation! -

    Would that make it okay for you then?

    ??


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    #3510
    Schadenfreudia
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Actually its more like wishing threads on Internet forums would stay on topic.

    :)

    And how is making the attempted prosecution of people involved in MH17 contingent on an impartial judicial system off-topic? :confused:


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    #3511
    Schadenfreudia
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Would that make it okay for you then?

    ??

    No. It would make it fall into the category of "things that the UN doesn't investigate".

    If we want to change that practice let's start with some older cases; take them in chronological order.


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