Malaysian airline MH-17 discussion thread

Gatling

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

You just can't stop lying, can you?

What are you on about

What lies .

Now remember we've had the whole Russia Meh murica Evil posts .
Followed by some total space fantastic opera posts .

And you call me a liar .

I'd almost be insulted if that was actually possible .

But yeah MH -17 shot down by Russian forces in Ukraine and yet all we get is conspiracy theories and ah sure it was a mistake.
That apparently didn't happen depending on what color Mars was at a certain time of the space calendar

Schadenfreudia

Gatling wrote: »

What are you on about

You change what I said and then present it as a "quote".

Lies. Simple.

JacquesSon

Putin did it.

He said "Shoot down a plane and pretend the Ukrainians did it"

Sure enough that's what Russian media said happened before anyone else knew why it was missing.

Samaris

Is anyone else totally lost by this thread? I have honestly no idea of who is accusing who or what by now, but it does seem to be fairly Conspiracy Theory stuff at this stage.

I -think- it's something like.
A. The Ukrainians shot down the plane.
B. The Russians shot down the plane because the Ukrainians couldn't get their hands on surface to air missiles.
C. Something to do with Gatling flying the thread.

Am I in the right ballpark?

Gatling

Samaris wrote: »

Is anyone else totally lost by this thread? I have honestly no idea of who is accusing who or what by now, but it does seem to be fairly Conspiracy Theory stuff at this stage.

I -think- it's something like.
A. The Ukrainians shot down the plane.
B. The Russians shot down the plane because the Ukrainians couldn't get their hands on surface to air missiles.
C. Something to do with Gatling flying the thread.

Am I in the right ballpark?

Just B because the Russians shot down MH17

Despite best efforts of some to derail the discussion by some with Looney tunes conspiracy theories to oh that was bad but Murica Evil ,

C , Flying hee hee ( supposed I'll have to wait to be shot down )

Elmer Blooker

Gatling wrote: »

Just B because the Russians shot down MH17

Despite best efforts of some to derail the discussion by some with Looney tunes conspiracy theories to oh that was bad but Murica Evil ,

How are things at bellingcat.com? Any more "evidence" from Mr Higgins?
Anything interesting from Shaun Walker at the Guardian lately?

Gatling

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

How are things at bellingcat.com? Any more "evidence" from Mr Higgins?
Anything interesting from Shaun Walker at the Guardian lately?

No idea never quoted them or read them.


How's elvis and Jon snow

Jan Laco

JacquesSon wrote: »

Putin did it.

He said "Shoot down a plane and pretend the Ukrainians did it"

Sure enough that's what Russian media said happened before anyone else knew why it was missing.

As soon as he vetoed the tribunal it's as good as admitting it in my opinion.

And into conspiracies here, a piece of wreckage from the other Boeing disappearance (without burn or impact markings) turns up the same the same week as Russia veto. Sounds like a media decoy to me.

Schadenfreudia

Jan Laco wrote: »

As soon as he vetoed the tribunal it's as good as admitting it in my opinion.

Aw!

Did he do that? How frightful on him :rolleyes:

darkpagandeath

bigdata wrote: »

Type "Ukraine War MH17 – Special Investigation Part" and see two parts.
Australian journalists made at least one mistake - it's not a civil war but the war inspired and fueled by Russia.

This proves Russia sends their military specialists in order to operate tanks, GRADs or BUKs:
type "Selfie Soldiers: Russia Checks in to Ukraine" in Youtube.

Somebody please repost those videos here for those who have not seen them.

Yes, Western Media lies a lot and indeed gets every opportunity to blame Russia, but it has nothing to do with russian imperialistic mentality and crimes russians commit every day. Ask georgians, japanese, moldovans, finish, chechens, czechs, polish, ukrainians, hungarians, slovaks, bulgarians, lithuanians, estonians, latvians, eastern germans and counting for lost of territories, people, money and cultural oppression since WW2.

Don't forget little green men.

Gatling

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Don't forget little green men.

I see Vladimir Putin has been officially named as having ordered the assination of Alexander Litvinenko in a British court .

Now I wonder what would happen if he was charged with the death of the passengers and crew of MH17 both in civil courts and criminal courts

Schadenfreudia

Gatling wrote: »

Now I wonder what would happen if he was charged with the death of the passengers and crew of MH17 both in civil courts and criminal courts

Same thing as would happen if a court in Belarus implicated Bush and Blair in mass murder in Iraq.

Absolutely nothing. :cool:

Schadenfreudia

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Don't forget little green men.

Or the CIA, or drones roaming countries murdering people. Lots of things we shouldn't forget.

Add MH17 and Crimea to a very long list.

Gatling

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

Or the CIA, or drones roaming countries murdering people. Lots of things we shouldn't forget.

Add MH17 and Crimea to a very long list.

You don't seem to ever mention Russian troops in East Ukraine killing Ukrainians

Schadenfreudia

Gatling wrote: »

You don't seem to ever mention Russian troops in East Ukraine killing Ukrainians

I guess it never came up; you never mentioned the bombing of Lebanon in 2006 :rolleyes:

Gatling

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

I guess it never came up; you never mentioned the bombing of Lebanon in 2006 :rolleyes:

How could I

This is the MH -17 Shot down July 2014 thread


Not Lebanon 2006 Or Iraq or iran feel free to open threads though I'm sure you'll have a considerable amount of time to educate posters on all of your previous statements on various incidents around the world

G_R

Mod:

Ok, this thread has gotten completely out of hand over the last couple of pages.

Three points:
- Do not accuse other posters of trolling, report the post.
- Can we have less of the conspiracy theories - there's a conspiracy theories forum for that.
- Lets try and keep the thread on-topic. Some of the posts that have been made have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

After this post, cards will be handed out for breaching any of the above.

smurfjed

From the BBC today.....

Fragments of a suspected Russian missile system have been found at the Flight MH17 crash site in eastern Ukraine, investigators say.
The joint team in the Netherlands says the parts, possibly from a Buk surface-to-air system, are "of particular interest" and could help determine who was involved in the crash.
But they say they have not proved a "causal connection" between the parts and the crash. MH17 crashed in an area held by pro-Russian rebels in July 2014, killing all 298 people on board.
Ukraine and many Western countries have accused pro-Russian rebels of shooting down the plane, saying they could have used a Buk missile system supplied by Russia.
Russia and the rebels deny any responsibility and say the Ukrainian military is to blame.
The joint investigation team comprises representatives of the Netherlands, Ukraine, Malaysia, Australia, the UK, US and Russia.

I would like to know why its taken them a year to reveal this information.

Gatling

smurfjed wrote: »

From the BBC today.....



I would like to know why its taken them a year to reveal this information.

It's old news they recovered fragments months ago

Elmer Blooker

smurfjed wrote: »

From the BBC today.....



I would like to know why its taken them a year to reveal this information.

I had a look at the article on BBC News. The clue is in the picture of the BUK launcher - make that the RUSSIAN BUK launcher and the missile exploding above the plane .... the RUSSIAN missile of course.
Pretty standard stuff from the BBC really.

Gatling

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I had a look at the article on BBC News. The clue is in the picture of the BUK launcher - make that the RUSSIAN BUK launcher and the missile exploding above the plane .... the RUSSIAN missile of course.
Pretty standard stuff from the BBC really.

Did you expect a patriot launcher ,the American launcher and missle system .
Oh wait that would be very misleading to people to suggest that .

smurfjed

Possible parts of a BUK missile launcher that may have been used to shoot down Malaysia Airlines flight 17 have been found in Ukraine.

Dutch prosecutors investigating the plane crash, which killed all 298 people on board in July last year, said the parts “are of particular interest to the criminal investigation as they can possibly provide more information about who was involved in the crash of MH17”.

Officials previously said they are treating a surface-to-air missile strike as the most likely cause of the disaster but today's announcement was the first indicating physical evidence of a weapon.

Just to make you happy, this is from http://www.independent.co.uk/........ they dont mention RUSSIA.

Now please tell me which countries build the BUK Missile system?

darkpagandeath

Gatling wrote: »

Did you expect a patriot launcher ,the American launcher and missle system .
Oh wait that would be very misleading to people to suggest that .

The Russians do not have access to that kit to give their proxies.

Gatling

darkpagandeath wrote: »

The Russians do not have access to that kit to give their proxies.

Exactly hence they gave them BUKs

Elmer Blooker

The Russians do not have access to that kit to give their proxies.

Exactly hence they gave them BUKs

I suggest you two pass on this vital information to the Dutch investigators!

darkpagandeath

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I suggest you two pass on this vital information to the Dutch investigators!

Don't need to they have identified pretty much what brought the plane down.

Fratton Fred

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I had a look at the article on BBC News. The clue is in the picture of the BUK launcher - make that the RUSSIAN BUK launcher and the missile exploding above the plane .... the RUSSIAN missile of course.
Pretty standard stuff from the BBC really.

Damned BBC reporting news and stuff.

Busted Flat.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Damned BBC reporting news and stuff.

CBS news quoting Dutch prosecutors in this item. I was under the impression that it was an Investigation beining carried by the US, Dutch, Ukraine
Malaysian and Russian investigators. Where does the Dutch prosecutors fit in.

smurfjed

http://newcoldwar.org/crash-mh17-interview-lead-dutch-investigator/

The involvement of the prosecutor isnt new. This interview is quite interesting.

Gatling

Busted Flat. wrote: »

CBS news quoting Dutch prosecutors in this item. I was under the impression that it was an Investigation beining carried by the US, Dutch, Ukraine
Malaysian and Russian investigators. Where does the Dutch prosecutors fit in.

The majority of the passengers were Dutch