Malaysian airline MH-17 discussion thread

asherbassad

The report is going to be quite predictable. It will determine that MH-17 was shot down by a missile. And the origins thereof are still unclear. It will state that the wreckage is still to be analysed and that the probability of the airliner being shot down by rogue elements in or close to the Russian border can not be ruled out.
It won't point to Russians shooting down the airliner. It will gloss over and without any evidence of anything...the verdict will be inconclusive.


That's the upcoming report

smurfjed

It will gloss over and without any evidence of anything...the verdict will be inconclusive.

Do the ICAO Annexes stipulate that the report should attribute blame or only address facts?

darkpagandeath

asherbassad wrote: »

The report is going to be quite predictable. It will determine that MH-17 was shot down by a missile. And the origins thereof are still unclear. It will state that the wreckage is still to be analysed and that the probability of the airliner being shot down by rogue elements in or close to the Russian border can not be ruled out.
It won't point to Russians shooting down the airliner. It will gloss over and without any evidence of anything...the verdict will be inconclusive.


That's the upcoming report

When was the investigation of why MH-17 crashed anything to do with blaming Russia ?

asherbassad

In other news

A Russian aircraft has been shot down in Turkey.

There are no reports of satellite imagery, communications or wreckage being tampered with or withheld.

:pac:

Gatling

asherbassad wrote: »

In other news

A Russian aircraft has been shot down in Turkey.

There are no reports of satellite imagery, communications or wreckage being tampered with or withheld.

Great news for Russia the mig 29 is an expensive toy to replace .
One pilot .

But hardly related to MH17

asherbassad

So gatling, darkpagandeath....

What would you predict in Tuesday's results?

Fully implicating Moscow? Verifying that the plane was shot down and that Putin supplied the tools to do it?

Will you bet on that?

asherbassad

Now,

Seeing as a report as to who was guilty regarding the deaths of 298 people is due to be made known on Tuesday, why is there no build-up to this release?

Shouldn't there be some fanfare?

asherbassad

darkpagandeath wrote: »

When was the investigation of why MH-17 crashed anything to do with blaming Russia ?

For 15 months Russia has been blamed. The West has even ramped up sanctions on Russia over this.

Have you been sleeping?

weisses

asherbassad wrote: »

So gatling, darkpagandeath....

What would you predict in Tuesday's results?

Fully implicating Moscow? Verifying that the plane was shot down and that Putin supplied the tools to do it?

Will you bet on that?

None of the above other then it was shot down

I will make a full apology to everyone who stated that the report will makes official statements regarding a guilty party

Will you do the same when what you stated above is not happening other then the plane has been shot down ?

smurfjed

Seeing as a report as to who was guilty regarding the deaths of 298 people

The report won't reveal that information as its a technical report based on ICAO ANNEXES and not a police investigation report.

Gatling

asherbassad wrote: »

For 15 months Russia has been blamed. The West has even ramped up sanctions on Russia over this.

The sanctions were imposed in February last year part to the illegal annexation of Crimea and the current situation in East Ukraine
Sanctions haven't been imposed because of MH -17

Busted Flat.

Gatling wrote: »

The sanctions were imposed part to the illegal annexation of Crimea and the current situation in East Ukraine,
Sanctions haven't been imposed because of MH -17

https://encrypted.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEMQFjAFahUKEwigsYqsjLrIAhWGvxQKHXgbDo8&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fworld-europe-28539254&usg=AFQjCNEXbZdqm2fCrbK1eGPBWQcb87nJow&sig2=cEmbYxLol6CqPRvFzjlLjQ

The EU will widen its sanctions against Russia to include more individuals and consider targeting the defence sector, the Dutch foreign minister says.
Frans Timmermans said "unanimous" and "forceful" decisions had been taken on enhanced sanctions against Russia over the Ukraine conflict.

darkpagandeath

asherbassad wrote: »

Now,

Seeing as a report as to who was guilty regarding the deaths of 298 people is due to be made known on Tuesday, why is there no build-up to this release?

Shouldn't there be some fanfare?

asherbassad wrote: »

For 15 months Russia has been blamed. The West has even ramped up sanctions on Russia over this.

Have you been sleeping?

That has absolutely nothing to do with the investigation of why MH-17 crashed.

Schadenfreudia

asherbassad wrote: »

In other news

A Russian aircraft has been shot down in Turkey.

There are no reports of satellite imagery, communications or wreckage being tampered with or withheld.

:pac:

And then you woke up.....:D

Schadenfreudia

Busted Flat. wrote: »

https://encrypted.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEMQFjAFahUKEwigsYqsjLrIAhWGvxQKHXgbDo8&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fworld-europe-28539254&usg=AFQjCNEXbZdqm2fCrbK1eGPBWQcb87nJow&sig2=cEmbYxLol6CqPRvFzjlLjQ

The EU will widen its sanctions against Russia to include more individuals and consider targeting the defence sector, the Dutch foreign minister says.
Frans Timmermans said "unanimous" and "forceful" decisions had been taken on enhanced sanctions against Russia over the Ukraine conflict.

Don't know what Timmermans is smoking but the reality is the EU will struggle to maintain even the existing sanctions at the end of the year when they must be renewed.

It takes only one single country to summon up the courage to oppose Nato/US bullying.

Busted Flat.

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

Don't know what Timmermans is smoking but the reality is the EU will struggle to maintain even the existing sanctions at the end of the year when they must be renewed.

It takes only one single country to summon up the courage to oppose Nato/US bullying.

The over zelous clowns that rushed to sanctions at the US behest are showing severe cracks, they may not last there term.

Gatling

Busted Flat. wrote: »

The over zelous clowns that rushed to sanctions at the US behest are showing severe cracks, they may not last there term.

Really,wouldn't consider sanctions imposed for an illegal annexation rushed at all or should we have waited till Putin siezed more of Ukraine

Busted Flat.

Gatling wrote: »

Really,wouldn't consider sanctions imposed for an illegal annexation rushed at all or should we have waited till Putin siezed more of Ukraine

I can see and appreciate your vast knowledge of the Crimea situation.

Gatling

Busted Flat. wrote: »

I can see and appreciate your vast knowledge of the Crimea situation.

Honestly should have the EU and the west stood by for longer with sanctions or would military force been a better idea

darkpagandeath

Busted Flat. wrote: »

I can see and appreciate your vast knowledge of the Crimea situation.

Is it not Russia Nazis killing Russian speakers in Ukraine ? :pac:

Busted Flat.

Gatling wrote: »

Honestly should have the EU and the west stood by for longer with sanctions or would military force been a better idea

Is there anyone in their right mind would think that Russia would have surrender the Black Sea ports to the Milky Bar kid. Thousands upon thousands of Russians have lived there since 1784. (Compare that to the brit controlled areas like that of the Malvinas, Six counties in Ireland, and how many other countries that they imposed themselves on).

darkpagandeath

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Is there anyone in their right mind would think that Russia would have surrender the Black Sea ports to the Milky Bar kid. Thousands upon thousands of Russians have lived there since 1784. (Compare that to the brit controlled areas like that of the Malvinas, Six counties in Ireland, and how many other countries that they imposed themselves on).

What's that got to do with the Shooting down of a Passenger jet and subsequent investigation of it?

Busted Flat.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

What's that got to do with the Shooting down of a Passenger jet and subsequent investigation of it?

The sanctions were put in place after the people of Crimea voted to exit the western part of Keiv that was taken over by the Milky Bar kid in a Coup d'état sponsored by the CIA and corrupt officials in the EU.
Futher sanctions were put in place against Russia over the downing of MH17.
I mentioned the other counties and statlets to reference the policy of double speak.

Gatling

Busted Flat. wrote: »

The sanctions were put in place after the people of Crimea voted to exit the western part of Keiv

But 2 weeks into protests Putin decided he was taking Crimea back to russia,
The so called vote was a sham that just happened to require thousands of Russian troops and volunteer militias to make happen ,
It would have been a lot different if a referendum was put in place after things had settled down in Kiev ,

Schadenfreudia

Gatling wrote: »

But 2 weeks into protests Putin decided he was taking Crimea back to russia,
The so called vote was a sham that just happened to require thousands of Russian troops and volunteer militias to make happen ,
It would have been a lot different if a referendum was put in place after things had settled down in Kiev ,

Nonsense. The Fascists in Kiev were preparing to send militias to terrorise Crimea.

Mr Putin ensured a free and fair plebiscite.

darkpagandeath

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

Nonsense. The Fascists in Kiev were preparing to send militias to terrorise Crimea.

Mr Putin ensured a free and fair plebiscite.

The Militias where already in Crimea and not Ukrainians they were little and Green.

Gatling

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

Nonsense. The Fascists in Kiev were preparing to send militias to terrorise Crimea.

Mr Putin ensured a free and fair plebiscite.

Bull **** but funny the Berkut police unit famous for shooting unarmed protesters in Kiev they went to Crimea to serve the motherland.

There actually getting worse !!!

Schadenfreudia

Gatling wrote: »

Bull **** but funny the Berkut police unit famous for shooting unarmed protesters in Kiev they went to Crimea to serve the motherland.

There actually getting worse !!!

Nonsense. The Fascists in Kiev were preparing to send militias to terrorise Crimea.

Mr Putin ensured a free and fair plebiscite. :cool:

Gatling

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

Nonsense. The Fascists in Kiev were preparing to send militias to terrorise Crimea.

Mr Putin ensured a free and fair plebiscite. :

Ah sure Paul Murphy might agree

Busted Flat.

Gatling wrote: »

But 2 weeks into protests Putin decided he was taking Crimea back to russia,
The so called vote was a sham that just happened to require thousands of Russian troops and volunteer militias to make happen ,
It would have been a lot different if a referendum was put in place after things had settled down in Kiev ,

I must apologize first in case you take this as an insult, but I must call into question your whole knowledge about the situation. Where you are getting your information from is faulty. Seek some other source and broaden your outlook on world affairs, they are not black and white, east or west.