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Malaysian airline MH-17 discussion thread

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    #362
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    bilston wrote: »
    That was reported earlier but VP of Malaysia Airlines Europe went through the manifest in nationality terms and didn't mention any American passengers. 154 Dutch, 27 Australian, 23 Malaysian, 11 Indonesian, 6 UK, 4 France plus some Germans and a Canadian. He did say there were others whose nationality he didn't know so maybe they are Americans.

    47 of unconfirmed nationality

    Confirmed:
    154 Dutch
    15 Malaysian crew
    23 Malaysians
    27 Australians
    6 British
    4 Germans
    4 Belgians
    11 Indonesians
    3 Filipinos
    1 Canadian


    French Embassy says 4 of their citizens were also lost. There's also been reports of 23-25 Americans onboard.


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    #363
    Banjo String
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    Selfish or not, let's hope no Irish involved.


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    #364
    SimonTemplar
    Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭SimonTemplar


    Jake1 wrote: »
    Ive been watching a Rssian news report, jesus, the coverage is very graphic. Like something from a horror movie :(

    I have to ask, why on earth are camera crews allowed so close to a crash site. Who knows what evidence they could be trampling on.

    It doesn't matter how realistic the movie's makeup is, seeing a pic of an actual dead body is far more disturbing, especially after a violent death such as this.


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    #365
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    Who says that lightening never strikes in the same place twice? Whether or not Malaysia Airlines can be assigned any fault in either of these incidents, I don't think they will survive this. Probably the two biggest (in terms of circumstances of the loss of the aircrafts) civilian airline incidents since 2001 within five months.


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    #366
    KungPao
    Registered Users Posts: 4,783 ✭✭✭KungPao


    SimonTemplar wrote: »
    It doesn't matter how realistic the movie's makeup is, seeing a pic of an actual dead body is far more disturbing, especially after a violent death such as this.
    Absolutely.

    I opened a page about the crash and scrolled down very slowly...first view of one of the poor victims and straight to the x on the tab.

    I urge people not to be curious and go for a look. It's not beneficial to see those images.

    You see dead bodies quite a lot in the news regarding war and famine etc, but something like this is on another level I think, and those images get burned into your memory.


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    #367
    Fudge You
    Closed Accounts Posts: 978 ✭✭✭Fudge You


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Selfish or not, let's hope no Irish involved.

    Ridiculous statement.
    Why does an Irish person you never meet mean more than an Brit, American, Malaysian etc??


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    #368
    mada82
    Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭mada82


    Fudge You wrote: »
    Ridiculous statement.
    Why does an Irish person you never meet mean more than an Brit, American, Malaysian etc??

    Who are you to decide it's a ridiculous statement? It's up to them to decide who means more to them.


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    #369
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Fudge You wrote: »
    Ridiculous statement.
    Why does an Irish person you never meet mean more than an Brit, American, Malaysian etc??

    Erm. It doesn't.

    It just makes it closer to home if any Irish (and therefore possibly someone I, or someone I know, know) Were involved.

    Fcuk sake. :rolleyes:


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    #370
    vicwatson
    Registered Users Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Ukraine say they have recordings of 2 rebel officers discussing shooting the aircraft out of the sky.....not sure how much creedance we should give this


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    #371
    Fudge You
    Closed Accounts Posts: 978 ✭✭✭Fudge You


    mada82 wrote: »
    Who are you to decide it's a ridiculous statement? It's up to them to decide who means more to them.

    And who is the poster to dismiss people's lives, that have just died.

    Not everyone on this website is Irish.


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    #372
    Fudge You
    Closed Accounts Posts: 978 ✭✭✭Fudge You


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Erm. It doesn't.

    It just makes it closer to home if any Irish (and therefore possibly someone I, or someone I know, know) Were involved.

    Fcuk sake. :rolleyes:

    Save your rolleyes.
    There was no need for your comment. And you know there wasnt.


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    #373
    [Deleted User]
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    was it terrorism ? just found out now trying to find the truth here


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    #374
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Deleted User wrote: »
    was it terrorism ? just found out now trying to find the truth here

    appears on basic look to be a grade A f**k up by Russian trained/supported rebels in Ukraine..


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    #375
    vicwatson
    Registered Users Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Deleted User wrote: »
    was it terrorism ? just found out now trying to find the truth here

    No one knows for sure what it was as of yet


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    #376
    mada82
    Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭mada82


    Fudge You wrote: »
    And who is the poster to dismiss people's lives, that have just died.

    Not everyone on this website is Irish.

    He hasn't dismissed anyone's life? He's simply stated his opinion that he hopes no Irish are among the dead.


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    #377
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Deleted User wrote: »
    was it terrorism ?

    If it was in fact shot down by anyone (goverment or militia) then yes, it was terrorism.


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    #378
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Fudge You wrote: »
    Save your rolleyes.
    There was no need for your comment. And you know there wasnt.

    Hi.

    If you could possibly point me towards where I inferred that any life lost this afternoon, was any less tragic than an Irish life, go ahead.

    Todays event was tragic, I stand by my opinion though that I hope no Irish were involved.

    That doesn't have any disrespect to any other nationality that did unfortunately die. You're simply looking for something that isn't there.


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    #379
    skeg16
    Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭skeg16


    this is shocking, so many people gone...

    On a side note, i'm not sure what to make of Malaysia airlines now, surely their reputation will be in tatters??


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    #380
    [Deleted User]
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    Fudge You wrote: »
    Save your rolleyes.
    There was no need for your comment. And you know there wasnt.

    well, there was no need for your's either.


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    #381
    vicwatson
    Registered Users Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Ah children settle down :pac:


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    #382
    Mint Sauce
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    skeg16 wrote: »
    this is shocking, so many people gone...

    On a side note, i'm not sure what to make of Malaysia airlines now, surely their reputation will be in tatters??

    Well having one of their planes shot down, is hardly their fault.


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    #383
    stooge
    Registered Users Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭stooge


    Too much of a coincidence for me that Israel start a ground offensive into Gaza to wipe out much of the Palestinian militants, and on the exact same day, the top news story for global media is instead taken by a shot down plane story.

    Conspiracy theory maybe but what are the chances?


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    #384
    tomwaterford
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    skeg16 wrote: »
    this is shocking, so many people gone...

    On a side note, i'm not sure what to make of Malaysia airlines now, surely their reputation will be in tatters??

    what ever about the other flight (was it ever found after?)

    there is pretty much nothing they could have done about this....it would be harsh on them if this ruined them


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    #385
    miss no stars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭miss no stars


    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    Well having one of their planes shot down, is hardly their fault.

    That doesn't matter. I'd be seriously skeptical if someone says they haven't taken a massive hit after MH370. This could nail the coffin shut. Much like Pan Am were struggling, but the image of the second section of that blue and white jumbo jet (an airplane that never would have existed as it did without Pan Am pushing and moulding its development) lying on the ground in a debris field nailed the coffin shut for them.


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    #386
    darkpagandeath
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    stooge wrote: »
    Too much of a coincidence for me that Israel start a ground offensive into Gaza to wipe out much of the Palestinian militants, and on the exact same day, the top news story for global media is instead taken by a shot down plane story.

    Conspiracy theory maybe but what are the chances?

    Except 2 Ukrainian planes were recently shot down as well around that area, So Conspiracy theory's can stay just that. Someone in that area that's not the Ukrainian army has an advanced SAM system. And the training to use it.


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    #387
    Bob24
    Registered Users Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    And the training to use it.

    And possibly not enough training ...


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    #388
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Bob24 wrote: »
    And possibly not enough training ...

    That's a tough one as a few passenger planes have been brought down by these kind of systems, various army's. fear orders to shoot anything down number of contributing factors. Its not as easy as pushing a red button.


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    #389
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    what ever about the other flight (was it ever found after?)

    there is pretty much nothing they could have done about this....it would be harsh on them if this ruined them

    It would be harsh and personally I'd fly with them tomorrow but I think they'll be doing well to stay afloat over the next few years.
    (Pun not intended btw)


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    #390
    userod
    Registered Users Posts: 327 ✭✭userod


    Fudge You wrote: »
    And who is the poster to dismiss people's lives, that have just died.

    Not everyone on this website is Irish.

    Listen lad, to put it fcuking bluntly you're on an Irish website and its completely fcuking acceptable to say I hope there was no Irish killed.


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    #391
    signostic
    Registered Users Posts: 5,879 ✭✭✭signostic


    From The Telegraph "We reported earlier that the Ukrainian security services had released what they say are recordings proving that Russian military intelligence ordered MH17 to be shot down (20.16), and later the English transcript of that call (21.00). Here's the recording again with full English subtitles included this time"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VnuHxAR01Jo

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10974050/Malaysia-Airlines-plane-crashes-on-Ukraine-Russia-border-live.html


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