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Malaysian airline MH-17 discussion thread

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    #4262
    PlamenDon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 246 ✭✭PlamenDon


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I'm well aware of psychological warfare... From noise to propaganda. but how did that down MH-17 with a Russian BUK system ? How do I check if I'm a Manchurian Candidate ?

    Ohh you read it, good, now you know, you learn something new every day.


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    #4263
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    No, I work with fact, it hasn't been shown, this investigative report is only speculation, I could have posted link after link all along refuting the report but I'd have been called a Putinite or whatever the term is, because all of refuting is coming from the other side, still doesn't make it wrong.

    Oh, that was fast how did you gain access to the thousands of documents ?


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    #4264
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    Here is a major flaw with the Almaz-Antey BUK test..

    It was done at ground level on a section of a airframe. Try that again at 33,000 ft where the air is thinner and you are hitting a pressurised aircraft.

    Maybe the Russians need to get Jamie and Adam on the job..


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    #4265
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    Ohh you read it, good, now you know, you learn something new every day.

    I did not learn anything I already Knew.


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    #4266
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    Haha, you just keep swallowing, do you call that evidence, look deeper and you'll see the cracks, open up, here's another load of shite for you to swallow, no questions asked.

    You just keep swallowing whatever tablets you are taking.. FFS:eek:


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    #4267
    PlamenDon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 246 ✭✭PlamenDon


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I did not learn anything I already Knew.

    Well you sometimes come across as somebody who knows nothing.


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    #4268
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    Here is a major flaw with the Almaz-Antey BUK test..

    It was done at ground level on a section of a airframe. Try that again at 33,000 ft where the air is thinner and you are hitting a pressurised aircraft.

    Maybe the Russians need to get Jamie and Adam on the job..

    You would think they would understand the difference of a ground strike and high altitude.


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    #4269
    PlamenDon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 246 ✭✭PlamenDon


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    Here is a major flaw with the Almaz-Antey BUK test..

    It was done at ground level on a section of a airframe. Try that again at 33,000 ft where the air is thinner and you are hitting a pressurised aircraft.

    Maybe the Russians need to get Jamie and Adam on the job..

    Sorry, what other tests were done?


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    #4270
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    You just keep swallowing whatever tablets you are taking.. FFS:eek:

    Indeed.... mortifying at this point.

    Turnover in Olgino must be high, the talent pool is poor


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    #4271
    PlamenDon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 246 ✭✭PlamenDon


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    You would think they would understand the difference of a ground strike and high altitude.

    You tell us, they pressurized the cabin.


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    #4272
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    No, I work with fact, it hasn't been shown, this investigative report is only speculation, I could have posted link after link all along refuting the report but I'd have been called a Putinite or whatever the term is, because all of refuting is coming from the other side, still doesn't make it wrong.

    No you don't work with facts. You claim to but you haven't posted anything to prove the presentation is as you said full of lies. However you are very quick to post items that really have nothing to do with this discussion and then to make smart remarks to those that ask you the relevance of them?


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    #4273
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    Sorry, what other tests were done?

    None, which makes the Russian results useless and speculation.


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    #4274
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    Sorry, what other tests were done?

    I thought you have read all available data to come to the conclusion it's all lies ?


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    #4275
    PlamenDon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 246 ✭✭PlamenDon


    A pack of know it all's that know nothing, I pity you's, not an ounce of critical thinking among you.


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    #4276
    PlamenDon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 246 ✭✭PlamenDon


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I thought you have read all available data to come to the conclusion it's all lies ?

    Yes I did, there were no other test's.


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    #4277
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    You tell us, they pressurized the cabin.


    Did they?? Any proof??


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    #4278
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    You tell us, they pressurized the cabin.

    Why do you think planes at high altitudes are pressurized ?


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    #4279
    PlamenDon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 246 ✭✭PlamenDon


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    None, which makes the Russian results useless and speculation.

    Why because Russia did tests and nobody would do their own to refute results.


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    #4280
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    Why because Russia did tests and nobody would do their own to refute results.

    Why would they refute a test that is incorrect ?


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    #4281
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    A pack of know it all's that know nothing, I pity you's, not an ounce of critical thinking among you.

    Plenty critical thinking going on here.. Just not from you.

    What the dear leader says is fact. Do you ever stop and ask "am I being lied to here buy my (The Russian) Government???


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    #4282
    PlamenDon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 246 ✭✭PlamenDon


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Why do you think planes at high altitudes are pressurized ?

    To keep earwigs out.

    What is the difference in pressure between ground level and 32,000ft?, it's measured in bars, so if the level of difference is simulated at ground level, the results aren't too far off, it's simple really, they didn't do a simulation without taking these things into consideration like you's seem to think, lol.


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    #4283
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    To keep earwigs out.

    What is the difference in pressure between ground level and 32,000ft?, it's measured in bars, so if the level of difference is simulated at ground level, the results aren't too far off, it's simple really, they didn't do a simulation without taking these things into consideration like you's seem to think, lol.

    lol, Try opening the plane door at 32,000 feet and see what happens....


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    #4284
    PlamenDon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 246 ✭✭PlamenDon


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    lol, Try opening the plane door at 32,000 feet and see what happens....

    With a pressurize cabin at ground level the exact same thing will happen, you'll be blown out the door.


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    #4285
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    With a pressurize cabin at ground level the exact same thing will happen, you'll be blown out the door.

    Explosive decompression at altitude is entirely different than at ground level this is basic stuff. Order of magnitude more violent at very high altitudes due to the pressure differential.


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    #4286
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    With a pressurize cabin at ground level the exact same thing will happen, you'll be blown out the door.

    Wait.... what?

    If you pressurise a sealed area to the same air pressure of ground level...... opening the door (at ground level) will do...... almost nothing!!

    cos the air pressures are close to the same!
    There is very little to equalise.

    Is this the case for the Kremlin's defence has come to?


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    #4287
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Anyhoo.....

    Taken from the technical investigation released last year (not part of this criminal investigation) the breakdown of the cause of the explosion.

    Worth watching for a few mins to clarify the planes destruction


    (skip to 7m 54 for that specific breakdown)

    Really want to know what happened to that SU-25!


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    #4288
    Elmer Blooker
    Registered Users Posts: 6,125 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    Haha, you just keep swallowing, do you call that evidence, look deeper and you'll see the cracks, open up, here's another load of shite for you to swallow, no questions asked.
    sign of the times, people just believe any old s***e these days because they want to believe it.
    Imagine if Goebbels had social media to exploit .... think about it ..


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    #4289
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    sign of the times, people just believe any old s***e these days because they want to believe it.
    Imagine if Goebbels had social media to exploit .... think about it ..

    RT and various other Russian sources seem to be doing a great job. Must have taken a leaf out of his book.


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    #4290
    Samaris
    Registered Users Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    A pack of know it all's that know nothing, I pity you's, not an ounce of critical thinking among you.

    Mod: Let's keep it civil in here, please.


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    #4291
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    think about it.

    About what?

    The SU-25 proof?
    Whatever happened to that plane!

    That is the real mystery, wouldn't you agree?


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