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Malaysian airline MH-17 discussion thread

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    #4292
    Elmer Blooker
    Registered Users Posts: 6,125 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    RT and various other Russian sources seem to be doing a great job. Must have taken a leaf out of his book.
    Serious reply, comparing RT with western media I have absolutely no doubts who are the biggest liars.


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    #4293
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    About what?

    The SU-25 proof?
    Whatever happened to that plane!

    That is the real mystery, wouldn't you agree?

    What about MH-17 being shot down by machine gun fire due to the bullet holes on the ground apparently. Pretty bad the Separatists destroying evidence on the ground.


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    #4294
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    Serious reply, comparing RT with western media I have absolutely no doubts who are the biggest liars.

    lol.... RT is pretty similar to NK news channel.


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    #4295
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    Serious reply, comparing RT with western media I have absolutely no doubts who are the biggest liars.

    Well it depends which Western Media you are talking about. I would class RT at the same reliability level of Fox News. IE they fabricate the news.

    Other Western Media organisations I would hold in far higher regard. But with all stories you take your sources from multiple organisations. The problem with Russia is that at this stage virtually non are free of the tentacles of the state.


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    #4296
    PlamenDon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 246 ✭✭PlamenDon


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Wait.... what?

    If you pressurise a sealed area to the same air pressure of ground level...... opening the door (at ground level) will do...... almost nothing!!

    cos the air pressures are close to the same!
    There is very little to equalise.

    Is this the case for the Kremlin's defence has come to?

    The air is thinner up above, it actually gets thinner the more you go up, inside the plane they add pressure to counter balance whats going on outside, ground level has no difference, if the plane is pressurized to the same as it is at 32,000ft at ground level it would be like bursting a tyre with a knife if you opened the door, in altitude pressure will pull you out, at ground level it will push you out.


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    #4297
    PlamenDon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 246 ✭✭PlamenDon


    gandalf wrote: »
    Well it depends which Western Media you are talking about. I would class RT at the same reliability level of Fox News. IE they fabricate the news.

    Other Western Media organisations I would hold in far higher regard. But with all stories you take your sources from multiple organisations. The problem with Russia is that at this stage virtually non are free of the tentacles of the state.

    All western media comes from reuters or AP, they all sing along to whatever tune they play.


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    #4298
    PlamenDon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 246 ✭✭PlamenDon


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    lol.... RT is pretty similar to NK news channel.

    NK is Japanese, not North Korean....lol


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    #4299
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I'm guessing we have Sputnik paid subscribers here
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    #4300
    PlamenDon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 246 ✭✭PlamenDon


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    NK is Japanese, not North Korean....lol

    sorry my bad, I was thinking NHK


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    #4301
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    NK is Japanese, not North Korean....lol

    Fail
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    #4302
    PlamenDon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 246 ✭✭PlamenDon


    Gatling wrote: »
    I'm guessing we have Sputnik paid subscribers here

    Can you hook me up?


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    #4303
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    All western media comes from reuters or AP, they all sing along to whatever tune they play.

    Can you prove that? Show that ALL western media now?

    Again somehow I doubt you can or you will even try...


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    #4304
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    The air is thinner up above, it actually gets thinner the more you go up, inside the plane they add pressure to counter balance whats going on outside, ground level has no difference, if the plane is pressurized to the same as it is at 32,000ft at ground level it would be like bursting a tyre with a knife if you opened the door, in altitude pressure will pull you out, at ground level it will push you out.

    Absolute rubbish.. Think you should read up on the De Havland Comet..

    At 33,000ft the outside atmosphere is like a vacuum compared to the inside of an aircraft.


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    #4305
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    Can you hook me up?

    Don't think I have the right prescription
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    #4306
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    PlamenDon wrote: »
    NK is Japanese, not North Korean....lol


    "News From KOREAN CENTRAL NEWS AGENCY of DPRK(Democratic People's ... This home page is provided by Korea News Service (KNS) in Tokyo"


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    #4307
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    Absolute rubbish.. Think you should read up on the De Havland Comet..

    At 33,000ft the outside atmosphere is like a vacuum compared to the inside of an aircraft.

    I think he/she may need to read up on why systems like the BUK go off in proximity to the target. The warheads go off like a shotgun in proximity to the target at lower altitudes to destroy avionics and at very high to cause catastrophic depressurization .


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    #4308
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    The article posted by the dutch guy is like this from North Korea..

    One academic agrees with Putin so the whole world must..

    All hail the leader!!!

    Pyongyang, September 26 (KCNA) -- Foreign newspapers dedicated special write-ups to the 68th founding anniversary of the DPRK.
    The Sept. 9th issue of the Thai Xing San Daily carried an article titled "Founding father of socialist Korea" illustrated with a portrait of smiling President Kim Il Sung. It praised him for building a society of respecting human being and the people, saying that his career is one for building socialism centered on the popular masses.
    The Sept. 7th issue of the DR Congolese newspaper La Prosperite carried an article titled "President Kim Il Sung, founder of the DPRK and benevolent father" illustrated with a portrait of the smiling President.
    The article stressed that the President's noble exploits would shine forever along with the prosperous DPRK, saying that the DPRK turned into a socialist power independent in politics, self-supporting in economy and self-reliant in national defence under his wise guidance.
    A Brazilian newspaper edited an article titled "President Kim Il Sung and a Japanese" illustrated with a photo of the statues of Kim Il Sung and leader Kim Jong Il.
    It introduced in detail the fact that a famous Japanese media person who met Kim Il Sung and was deeply impressed by his noble popular traits and boundless generosity led a positive life for the friendship between the DPRK and Japan, noting that Kim Il Sung had deep relations with a lot of foreign figures during his life. -0-


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    #4309
    HensVassal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    gandalf wrote: »
    Can you prove that? Show that ALL western media now?

    Again somehow I doubt you can or you will even try...

    Why are you so terrified of RT?

    It is a molecule compared to the corporate behemoths that control the airwaves in America.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/whos-afraid-of-russia-today

    But the fact that it is accused of propaganda despite covering stories that giants like CNN and the BBC didn't would suggest that this pathetic 2% outlet should be ignored anyway.

    Where's the threat? It seems that the article IS correct and that the bloated "outlets" are indeed full of sh1t and would sooner give time to Angelina Jolie's sunglasses after the "split" than to something newsworthy.


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    #4310
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    HensVassal wrote: »
    Why are you so terrified of RT?

    It is a molecule compared to the corporate behemoths that control the airwaves in America.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/whos-afraid-of-russia-today

    But the fact that it is accused of propaganda despite covering stories that giants like CNN and the BBC didn't would suggest that this pathetic 2% outlet should be ignored anyway.

    Where's the threat? It seems that the article IS correct and that the bloated "outlets" are indeed full of sh1t and would sooner give time to Angelina Jolie's sunglasses after the "split" than to something newsworthy.

    You do know this is an Irish forum ?


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    #4311
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    HensVassal wrote: »
    Why are you so terrified of RT?

    It is a molecule compared to the corporate behemoths that control the airwaves in America.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/whos-afraid-of-russia-today

    But the fact that it is accused of propaganda despite covering stories that giants like CNN and the BBC didn't would suggest that this pathetic 2% outlet should be ignored anyway.

    Where's the threat? It seems that the article IS correct and that the bloated "outlets" are indeed full of sh1t and would sooner give time to Angelina Jolie's sunglasses after the "split" than to something newsworthy.

    I am asking another user to back what he saying, which on the whole he isn't doing.

    Where do you extrapolate from that I'm terrified of RT. On the contrary RT amuses me as does Fox News. What terrifies me is that some believe it to be a credible news organisation.


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    #4312
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    gandalf wrote: »
    I am asking another user to back what he saying, which on the whole he isn't doing.

    Where do you extrapolate from that I'm terrified of RT. On the contrary RT amuses me as does Fox News. What terrifies me is that some believe it to be a credible news organisation.

    Popcorn is a must for Fox and RT.


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    #4313
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Popcorn is a must for Fox and RT.

    Don't forget about oul Sputnik
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    #4314
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Gatling wrote: »
    Don't forget about oul Sputnik

    lol yeah no irony at all calling itself after a satellite most of the reporting is out of this world.


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    #4315
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    lol yeah no irony at all calling itself after a satellite most of the reporting is out of this world.

    The choice for the new lsd generation
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    #4316
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    PlamenDon seems to be banned.. Sure he will say its some Russiaphobic move..


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    #4317
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    PlamenDon seems to be banned.. Sure he will say its some Russiaphobic move..

    I miss Egg.


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    #4318
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I miss Egg.

    He had to go as there is shortages of Eggs over there..


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    #4319
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    There's a serious lack of stamina going on ,

    They all got banned or closed there accounts
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    #4320
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Gatling wrote: »
    There's a serious lack of stamina going on ,

    They all got banned or closed there accounts

    It's hard to argue against the Irish having no skin in the game.


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    #4321
    HensVassal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    I wonder...now that the reports and investigations are all done and dusted...would the powers that be hand over all the evidence and scraps and everything else to a completely independent, impartial non-partisan investigation team? The verdict is in so why not allow some professors have a look. If they come up with anything different then I'm sure you could refute them.


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