Malaysian airline MH-17 discussion thread

darkpagandeath

Eramen wrote: »

And the Americans / Nato.. or maybe that is too 'out there' for you?

Neither are in that area.

Eramen

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Neither are in that area.

If Victoria Nuland and the US state department can organise special operations in Kiev such as the firing on protesters by snipers, then I'm willing to bet that there are multiple intelligence elements operating from US/Nato side in Ukraine and the Russian border as we speak. It's possible.

the_syco

What is the flight path from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnuHxAR01Jo

murpho999

murpho999 wrote: »

So they can say 153 Dutch have been killed but not from another country.

Makes no sense.

You realise that some countries don't have as good communications networks as Europe and that some places are in different timezones? Different countries will have different protocols.

josip

That nutcase Putin will be the death of us all

jimgoose

josip wrote: »

That nutcase Putin will be the death of us all

They led Khruschev quietly off to the rubber-room for a lot less than his carry-on.

Eramen

josip wrote: »

That nutcase Putin will be the death of us all

Hmm, from regular reading of current events I could have sworn that it was Obomba who might've taken the title of 'nutcase'. He did bomb (and is currently bombing) the sh*t out of several countries and tightened the vice-like grip of the US military in E/ Europe and Asia.. precisely the reason for the current 'stirrings' .. proxy war .. in Ukraine.

Meglamonia

Number of passengers updated to 283 and Britons to 9

josip

Eramen wrote: »

Hmm, from regular reading of current events I could have sworn that it was Obomba who might've taken the title of 'nutcase'. He did bomb (and is currently bombing) the sh*t out of several countries and tightened the vice-like grip of the US military in E/ Europe and Asia.. precisely the reason for the current 'stirrings' .. proxy war .. in Ukraine.

In that case you've nothing to worry about since Obama will be on his merry way at the end of his second term.
Putin is there for life, similar to Mugabe.

nxbyveromdwjpg

I've just read that allegedly the airspace closed to all traffic 10 hours before the plane filed its flightplan and took off:

URRV V6158/14 17JUL0000-31AUG2359 EST

DUE TO COMBAT ACTIONS ON THE TERRITORY OF THE UKRAINE NEAR THE STATE BORDER WITH THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION AND THE FACTS OF FRNG FM THE TERRITORY OF THE UKRAINE TOWARDS THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIAN FEDERATION, TO ENSURE INTL FLT SAFETY, ATS RTE SEGMENTS CLSD AS FLW:

A100 MIMRA - ROSTOV-NA-DONU VOR/DME (RND),

B145 KANON - ASMIL,

G247 MIMRA - BAGAYEVSKIY NDB (BA),

A87 TAMAK - SARNA

murpho999

Deleted User wrote: »

You realise that some countries don't have as good communications networks as Europe and that some places are in different timezones? Different countries will have different protocols.

What communication networks? As in telephones? In this day and age?

Also, have you never heard of embassies located in the same country?

I stilll dont see why a country would want knowledge of their citizen's death being held back.

murpho999

murpho999 wrote: »

What communication networks? As in telephones? In this day and age?

Also, have you never heard of embassies located in the same country?

I stilll dont see why a country would want knowledge of their citizen's death being held back.

Yes, not everywhere is perfectly connected. Even in this day and age.

Timezones and distances. If it's a country when the information is released at 2am their time then it'll take time to inform families. In Holland it's going be fairly instant. Also the possibility that for some people there are connecting flights afterwards which will make tracking family down a bit more difficult.

Just because we live in a time when we feel like we're entitled to information instantly doesn't mean we do.

Jamie2k9

nm wrote: »

I've just read that allegedly the airspace closed to all traffic 10 hours before the plane filed its flightplan and took off:

URRV V6158/14 17JUL0000-31AUG2359 EST

DUE TO COMBAT ACTIONS ON THE TERRITORY OF THE UKRAINE NEAR THE STATE BORDER WITH THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION AND THE FACTS OF FRNG FM THE TERRITORY OF THE UKRAINE TOWARDS THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIAN FEDERATION, TO ENSURE INTL FLT SAFETY, ATS RTE SEGMENTS CLSD AS FLW:

A100 MIMRA - ROSTOV-NA-DONU VOR/DME (RND),

B145 KANON - ASMIL,

G247 MIMRA - BAGAYEVSKIY NDB (BA),

A87 TAMAK - SARNA

The aircraft was above the closed airspace and flying in operational airspace.

Lingua Franca

murpho999 wrote: »

What communication networks? As in telephones? In this day and age?

Also, have you never heard of embassies located in the same country?

I stilll dont see why a country would want knowledge of their citizen's death being held back.

They're updating the nationality lists by adding to the totals. It's now up to 45 Malaysians and 9 British, for example. They're informing the families first.

Indestructable

Eramen wrote: »

Hmm, from regular reading of current events I could have sworn that it was Obomba who might've taken the title of 'nutcase'. He did bomb (and is currently bombing) the sh*t out of several countries and tightened the vice-like grip of the US military in E/ Europe and Asia.. precisely the reason for the current 'stirrings' .. proxy war .. in Ukraine.

Obomba??? Seriously what age are you? Get a grip. Make a valid argument and don't use ridiculous puns. It's painful.

old_aussie

A video has been released on youtube purporting to show an intercepted call from Pro-Russia rebels in eastern Ukraine.

The audio recording, which has added English subtitles, claims to have been the result of an intercept from the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU), who released the recording on their website.

It claims militants of the group led by Igor "Bes" Bezler, using a Russian air-defense missile system, shot down a civilian airliner identified as a Boeing 777 belonging to Malaysia Airlines.

In the recording, two rebels can be heard talking about a plane that has been shot down - which they first presume is a military jet. However when the man known as "Major" reports back, he is unclear what kind of aircraft they have hit.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10975218/Malaysia-Airlines-crash-Intercepted-call-suggests-rebels-to-blame.html

I don't speak rusky so it's all gobbledygook to me.

Ukraine a "no fly zone" till this situation is sorted.

MadYaker

So from what I've gathered you need a fairly large and sophisticated piece of artillery to shoot down a boeing 777 at 30,000 feet. Something like this: http://st.depositphotos.com/1015244/1209/i/950/depositphotos_12095209-Buk-M-mobile-anti-air-missile-launcher.jpg

It seems at the moment the most likely scenario is that it was shot down by pro russian forces using military tech they got from the russians, especially when you consider that over the last few weeks they've shot down several ukranian military transport planes.

The_Valeyard

From all the coverage and amount of speculation happening tonight, I believe the following things as most plausible..

1) There is no conspiracy
2) Israel had nothing to do with this, but may have used it to their advantage with world media attention shifting.
3) Rebels captured or were given by Russia the advanced SAM BUK system
4) Rebels mistook the MH17 plane for a government troop transport

RIP to all those who died needlessly and most horribly. Hope their families will someday be able to overcome all this grief.

keith16

Was just reading online. The aircraft had it's first flight on the 17th of July 1997 and crashed on the 17th of July 2014, exactly 17 years later flying as MH17.

Incredible co-incidence.

Annasopra

Huge setback for AIDS/Activism


http://www.ibtimes.com/over-100-aids-researchers-including-leading-aids-expert-among-those-killed-mh17-crash-1632224

Spunge

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Huge setback for AIDS/Activism


http://www.ibtimes.com/over-100-aids-researchers-including-leading-aids-expert-among-those-killed-mh17-crash-1632224

wow thats fcked

Bob24

keith16 wrote: »

Was just reading online. The aircraft had it's first flight on the 17th of July 1997 and crashed on the 17th of July 2014, exactly 17 years later flying as MH17.

Incredible co-incidence.

Not really ... You can probably look at any flight and find multiple recurrence of the number 17 (or any other number) in associated data. If not the time of service, it wil be the distance covered (in any possible unit you can thing of), the age of the plan (in days, weeks, months, or years), the period a lapse since take-of (in seconds, minutes , hours), the serial number of the plane, the model of the plane, the number of passagers, the number of crews, etc ...

The are so many numbers associated to a flight that finding a few which match the flight number is hardly a coincidence.

dj jarvis

Eramen wrote: »

If Victoria Nuland and the US state department can organise special operations in Kiev such as the firing on protesters by snipers, then I'm willing to bet that there are multiple intelligence elements operating from US/Nato side in Ukraine and the Russian border as we speak. It's possible.

lol - rubbish

ZiabR

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Huge setback for AIDS/Activism


http://www.ibtimes.com/over-100-aids-researchers-including-leading-aids-expert-among-those-killed-mh17-crash-1632224

Holy **** that is just horrible...

Tail Docker

dj jarvis wrote: »

lol - rubbish

What is? The comment that the US would have players on the ground in the Ukraine? Highly unlikely they wouldn't really.

Bacchus

Bob24 wrote: »

Not really ... You can probably look at any flight and find multiple recurrence of the number 17 (or any other number) in associated data. If not the time of service, it wil be the distance covered (in any possible unit you can thing of), the age of the plan (in days, weeks, months, or years), the period a lapse since take-of (in seconds, minutes , hours), the serial number of the plane, the model of the plane, the number of passagers, the number of crews, etc ...

The are so many numbers associated to a flight that finding a few which match the flight number is hardly a coincidence.

He's not talking about numbers buried in some serial number or something though. To have crashed on the exact same date as it's first flight, the 17th of July, 17 years later is quite a coincidence.

Terrible tragedy, a route like that hits close to home. I know people who have taken that route to Asia in years past. I know it doesn't make this incident more important than what is going on in other parts of the world but it's just the closeness of it, that is so easily could have been someone you know on their way to backpack around Asia or start a new life in Australia. The poor families, I can only imagine what it must be like for them.

Irishcrx

Those poor poor people , I'm nearly in tears in work just reading about it. All those children , families , couples I can only imagine their terror as the plane was coming down falling apart in mid air...

Somebody needs to be held accountable for this it cannot go unpunished.

donegal__road

Irishcrx wrote: »

Those poor poor people , I'm nearly in tears in work just reading about it. All those children , families , couples I can only imagine their terror as the plane was coming down falling apart in mid air...

Somebody needs to be held accountable for this it cannot go unpunished.

sudden decompression at that altitude would have meant instant death. Your arteries and capillaries would have exploded within seconds of the plane being hit. The passengers wouldn't have known a thing.

RobertKK

Truly awful. Worst nightmare for the families and loved ones of those affected.

The Obama response was a bit strange 'looks like it may be a terrible tragedy'.
Whether it had been an accident or as we know blown out of the sky, it is a terrible tragedy.

Such a waste of life, now all we can hope for is justice.

Irishcrx

donegal__road wrote: »

sudden decompression at that altitude would have meant instant death. Your arteries and capillaries would have exploded within seconds of the plane being hit. The passengers wouldn't have known a thing.

Doesn't really make it any better , but thanks for the info..:(