Malaysian airline MH-17 discussion thread

KELTICKNIGHTT

expectationlost wrote: »

outrage mongerers and tabloid news making it worse for family of the with these bogus horror stories the bodies are being stored as best they can https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/490783545896341504

The train has the bodies but no fuel to run it and keep bodies cool. Ya.they doing a great farce of a job. Should have let peacekeepers take the bodies or make there arrangements at least they know better where the bodies were

Sully

What's interesting about this is the wide variations of reporting on what's going on.

A lot of reporting that bodies were gone missing but a gawk on Twitter had other journalists confirming where they were just being stored appropriately by the rebels and were not 'missing' per se. More bodies are being found and stored as the day goes on. Talk about black boxes being taken, denied by rebels in the early days but now confirmed that they picked
them up today (one of the journos have a picture of the box being found) and they will hand them over.

Sky News were rooting through someones luggage in their report on TV, but did apologise that it was inappropriate. This follows numerous reports of journalists not being respectful of the crash site.

Da Shins Kelly

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

Think most are not happy with pro Russians not allowing investigators to site and more importantly for family's to know when they can have there loved ones
The way the pro Russians are acting makes them look more guilty and Moscow no comment

Fair enough. They could just put their hands up and say they made a mistake. I guess no one wants to admit that they have the blood of international civilians on their hands though.

Did Malaysian Airlines actually say what they were doing flying over that area though? Doesn't seem like a wise decision.

Sully

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

The train has the bodies but no fuel to run it and keep bodies cool. Ya.they doing a great farce of a job. Should have let peacekeepers take the bodies or make there arrangements at least they know better where the bodies were

The engines are, apparently, chugging to keep it cool according to a Moscow correspondent for The Wall Street Journal. Numerous other journos have said they are being kept cool. I've not heard any report to suggest otherwise.

expectationlost

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

The train has the bodies but no fuel to run it and keep bodies cool. Ya.they doing a great farce of a job. Should have let peacekeepers take the bodies or make there arrangements at least they know better where the bodies were

where would the OSCE take the bodies? they have no infrastructure

Da Shins Kelly

Sully wrote: »

This follows numerous reports of journalists not being respectful of the crash site.

That doesn't surprise me in the least.

KELTICKNIGHTT

Sully wrote: »

What's interesting about this is the wide variations of reporting on what's going on.

A lot of reporting that bodies were gone missing but a gawk on Twitter had other journalists confirming where they were just being stored appropriately by the rebels and were not 'missing' per se. More bodies are being found and stored as the day goes on. Talk about black boxes being taken, denied by rebels in the early days but now confirmed that they picked
them up today (one of the journos have a picture of the box being found) and they will hand them over.

Sky News were rooting through someones luggage in their report on TV, but did apologise that it was inappropriate. This follows numerous reports of journalists not being respectful of the crash site.

The family's only see what's on the news and their government embassy tells them
Last report I heard was 196 bodies found so 100 still missing unless it's been updated
It's hard to believe it's going on since Thursday
Long time

expectationlost

Sky News has apologised after a reporter rifled through the luggage of a #MH17 passenger live on air jrnl.to/1qTQoTs

BorneTobyWilde

Why did Kiev air traffic control send the plane 200 kms north and into the region of the Russian controlled area. An area of previous downed air craft. ?
Kiev's conversations with plane are not being revealed ,they are hiding it.

Da Shins Kelly

comongethappy wrote: »

There have been planes flying over the area since day-1 of Russia's invasion.

Singapore & Indian airlines had aircraft nearby when MH17 got hit.

Seems kinda crazy to me given what's been going on there recently with military planes being shot down.

KELTICKNIGHTT

expectationlost wrote: »

where would the OSCE take the bodies? they have no infrastructure

Do the pro Russians.
Osce probably would orginised it a lot better .Take bodies a safe distance and fly bodies somewhere

BorneTobyWilde

''And then there's the curiouser and curiouser story of Carlos, the Spanish air traffic controller working at Kiev's tower, who was following MH17 in real time. For some Carlos is legit - not a cipher; for others, he's never even worked in Ukraine. Anyway he tweeted like mad. His account - not accidentally - has been shut down, and he has disappeared; his friends are now desperately looking for him. I managed to read all his tweets in Spanish when the account was still online - and now copies and an English translation are available.

These are some of his crucial tweets:

"The B777 was escorted by 2 Ukrainian fighter jets minutes before disappearing from radar (5.48 pm)"
"If the Kiev authorities want to admit the truth 2 fighter jets were flying very close a few minutes before the incident but did not shoot down the airliner (5.54)"
"As soon as the Malaysia Airlines B777 disappeared the Kiev military authority informed us of the shooting down. How did they know? (6.00)"
"Everything has been recorded on radar. For those that don't believe it, it was taken down by Kiev; we know that here (in traffic control) and the military air traffic control know it too (7.14)"
"The Ministry of the Interior did know that there were fighter aircraft in the area, but the Ministry of Defense didn't. (7.15)"
"The military confirm that it was Ukraine, but it is not known where the order came from. (7.31)"

darkpagandeath

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

''And then there's the curiouser and curiouser story of Carlos, the Spanish air traffic controller working at Kiev's tower, who was following MH17 in real time. For some Carlos is legit - not a cipher; for others, he's never even worked in Ukraine. Anyway he tweeted like mad. His account - not accidentally - has been shut down, and he has disappeared; his friends are now desperately looking for him. I managed to read all his tweets in Spanish when the account was still online - and now copies and an English translation are available.

These are some of his crucial tweets:

"The B777 was escorted by 2 Ukrainian fighter jets minutes before disappearing from radar (5.48 pm)"
"If the Kiev authorities want to admit the truth 2 fighter jets were flying very close a few minutes before the incident but did not shoot down the airliner (5.54)"
"As soon as the Malaysia Airlines B777 disappeared the Kiev military authority informed us of the shooting down. How did they know? (6.00)"
"Everything has been recorded on radar. For those that don't believe it, it was taken down by Kiev; we know that here (in traffic control) and the military air traffic control know it too (7.14)"
"The Ministry of the Interior did know that there were fighter aircraft in the area, but the Ministry of Defense didn't. (7.15)"
"The military confirm that it was Ukraine, but it is not known where the order came from. (7.31)"

Why would the Ukrainian Air force shoot down a passenger plane. It would be hard enough to get pilots to do that in a 9/11 scenario. Tinfoil hat brigade coming out in force it seems.

KELTICKNIGHTT

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Fair enough. They could just put their hands up and say they made a mistake. I guess no one wants to admit that they have the blood of international civilians on their hands though.

Did Malaysian Airlines actually say what they were doing flying over that area though? Doesn't seem like a wise decision.

Think all sides reports will come out in end
The crash site been compromised . Don't know if bodies tell them anything
Us says they have if. Who knows
Putin very quiet so far .Should like he's waiting before saying anything

expectationlost

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

Do the pro Russians.
Osce probably would orginised it a lot better .Take bodies a safe distance and fly bodies somewhere

yes they have refrigerator trains, but you won't listen because you want to have a go at the russians, its more important to you then the dead

comongethappy

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why would the Ukrainian Air force shoot down a passenger plane. It would be hard enough to get pilots to do that in a 9/11 scenario. Tinfoil hat brigade coming out in force it seems.

But... But... Carlos the Spaniard is legit.... As is Jimmy the Welshman... He knows what happened & Tom the Slovakian, he's got the inside track!

CT (aka: circle jerk of mutual Putin adoration) is thatta way! -->

KELTICKNIGHTT

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

''And then there's the curiouser and curiouser story of Carlos, the Spanish air traffic controller working at Kiev's tower, who was following MH17 in real time. For some Carlos is legit - not a cipher; for others, he's never even worked in Ukraine. Anyway he tweeted like mad. His account - not accidentally - has been shut down, and he has disappeared; his friends are now desperately looking for him. I managed to read all his tweets in Spanish when the account was still online - and now copies and an English translation are available.

These are some of his crucial tweets:

"The B777 was escorted by 2 Ukrainian fighter jets minutes before disappearing from radar (5.48 pm)"
"If the Kiev authorities want to admit the truth 2 fighter jets were flying very close a few minutes before the incident but did not shoot down the airliner (5.54)"
"As soon as the Malaysia Airlines B777 disappeared the Kiev military authority informed us of the shooting down. How did they know? (6.00)"
"Everything has been recorded on radar. For those that don't believe it, it was taken down by Kiev; we know that here (in traffic control) and the military air traffic control know it too (7.14)"
"The Ministry of the Interior did know that there were fighter aircraft in the area, but the Ministry of Defense didn't. (7.15)"
"The military confirm that it was Ukraine, but it is not known where the order came from. (7.31)"

Ukraine didn't shoot it down. Maybe they escorted it and the pro Russians were target the Ukraine fighter but got there planes mixed up

KELTICKNIGHTT

expectationlost wrote: »

yes they have refrigerator trains, but you won't listen because you want to have a go at the russian, it more important to you then the dead

On BBC and sky it said they had bodies on train But they didn't have fuel to move train so bodies are not being cooled.that was few hours ago
maybe they have fuel soon
Listen to the news lol

Grayson

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why would the Ukrainian Air force shoot down a passenger plane. It would be hard enough to get pilots to do that in a 9/11 scenario. Tinfoil hat brigade coming out in force it seems.

Except everyone from twitter, to the spanish embassy to the Ukrainian air traffic controllers have stated that the guy never existed. The account was created during the maiden protests/ crimean invasion to spout pro russian propaganda.

darkpagandeath

Grayson wrote: »

Except everyone from twitter, to the spanish embassy to the Ukrainian air traffic controllers have stated that the guy never existed. The account was created during the maiden protests/ crimean invasion to spout pro russian propaganda.

No doubt just trying to point out how unlikely it was.

Grayson

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

On BBC and sky it said they had bodies on train But they didn't have fuel to move train so bodies are not being cooled
Listen to the news lol

In the guardian it said that people aren't allowed in the train compartments unless they wear "Special equipment" because the stench is so overpowering. I'd imagine that in that heat in a un refridgerated metal container it would be pretty bad.

KELTICKNIGHTT

Grayson wrote: »

In the guardian it said that people aren't allowed in the train compartments unless they wear "Special equipment" because the stench is so overpowering. I'd imagine that in that heat in a un refridgerated metal container it would be pretty bad.

Looking at weather there. Was 28c today I think
Hope the family's of the dead get news soon where the bodies be

Nodin

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why would the Ukrainian Air force shoot down a passenger plane. It would be hard enough to get pilots to do that in a 9/11 scenario. Tinfoil hat brigade coming out in force it seems.

"false flag" "wake up sheeple" "impeach Obama" "Pope is a lizard space commander" "mossad".

KELTICKNIGHTT

Nodin wrote: »

"false flag" "wake up sheeple" "impeach Obama" "Pope is a lizard space commander" "mossad".

Did anyone see the family holding a photo of there family begging Putin to help
Very sad

Egginacup

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

Russia supported the pro Russians. Russia deserves more ..Russia provided weapons. Putin seems not to deal with reality.i know Ukrainians here who say what Russia is doing is no surprise them.
You seem to forget the people on the plane are Europeans from different countries and the Terrorists who shot down the plane from pro Russian controlled area should be punished but might never happen.

All these so called pro Russian want to be part of Russia so much.then they should feck off to Russia and leave Ukrainiane.

I hope the Ukrainians gives these pro Russians the surprise they promised these terrorist's

OK, let's just try to approach the whole thing objectively.
Flight MH17 was in fact diverted 200km north from the usual flight path taken by Malaysian Airlines in the previous days and sent right into the middle of a war zone. Why did this happen? What sort of communications did MH17 receive from the Kiev air control tower?

Kiev has been silent about it and SBU security has confiscated the air traffic control recording. Kuala Lumpur released the recordings of communication to flight MH370 immediately after it disappeared yet Kiev are engaging in a coverup. Surely the comms recording would clear up quite a few questions. One can understand why Kiev or international troops weren't allowed stomp in through the wreckage. I certainly would want people hell bent on framing me in to destroy more evidence like they've done with the air control recordings.

As far as I know Moscow have the black box recorders now and they will have access also to forensic evidence so an investigation can take place.

But whatever happens, Putin is more than correct when he states that this tragedy would not have occurred if Poroshenko has agreed to extend a ceas-fire that he(Putin), Merkel and Hollande tried to convince him of in late June. So Kiev is already guilty since they are responsible for the safe passage of flights through Ukrainian airspace that they theoretically control.
Why the plane was diverted from a safe flight path to a dangerous one is something only Kiev can answer and they're not saying a word. Doesn't paint them in a very blameless light.

Grayson

swiftblade wrote: »

Huh?

1)A passenger airliner would give no indication that a missile had a radar lock on it. There would be nothing on the black box, except for the exact time of impact.

2)Why would Russia shoot down a commercial airliner? With a Buk system, you can identify the type of aircraft you are targeting. A trained professional would know what they were targeting before they shot.

3) It would only take one vehicle. Not sure where you got 5. Any missle that was shot that long range would probably be picked up by NORAD or something. Russia just wouldn't do it.

As far as I was aware the plane would have had radar which might have picked up the missle before it exploded. And even if it didmn't it might still have evidence in the black box which would point towards who did it.

Donkey Oaty

I'm surprised we haven't yet had a finger pointed at Big Pharma for trying to prevent a cure for AIDS from being announced in Melbourne.

KELTICKNIGHTT

Egginacup wrote: »

OK, let's just try to approach the whole thing objectively.
Flight MH17 was in fact diverted 200km north from the usual flight path taken by Malaysian Airlines in the previous days and sent right into the middle of a war zone. Why did this happen? What sort of communications did MH17 receive from the Kiev air control tower?

Kiev has been silent about it and SBU security has confiscated the air traffic control recording. Kuala Lumpur released the recordings of communication to flight MH370 immediately after it disappeared yet Kiev are engaging in a coverup. Surely the comms recording would clear up quite a few questions. One can understand why Kiev or international troops weren't allowed stomp in through the wreckage. I certainly would want people hell bent on framing me in to destroy more evidence like they've done with the air control recordings.

As far as I know Moscow have the black box recorders now and they will have access also to forensic evidence so an investigation can take place.

But whatever happens, Putin is more than correct when he states that this tragedy would not have occurred if Poroshenko has agreed to extend a ceas-fire that he(Putin), Merkel and Hollande tried to convince him of in late June. So Kiev is already guilty since they are responsible for the safe passage of flights through Ukrainian airspace that they theoretically control.
Why the plane was diverted from a safe flight path to a dangerous one is something only Kiev can answer and they're not saying a word. Doesn't paint them in a very blameless light.

Think there's a lot of unanswered questions
Investigators will be busy
Think for now
More important that families get the loved ones soon

darkpagandeath

Grayson wrote: »

As far as I was aware the plane would have had radar which might have picked up the missle before it exploded. And even if it didmn't it might still have evidence in the black box which would point towards who did it.

That radar on planes is not used normally, only used for take off and landing highly doubtful it would pickup such a small fast moving object like a missile. Commercial planes do not have the capability to detect a radar lock on.

KELTICKNIGHTT

Just showed sky reporters asking train driver where they taking bodies and driver didn't know
Looks like train still at station