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Malaysian airline MH-17 discussion thread

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    #212
    Harry Palmr
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    karma_ wrote: »
    I'm not sure what they would tell us other than it was definitely struck by a missile.

    In fairness, this one seems clear cut and it can only be the separatists.

    Is it? Has anyone reported a missile launch? Or see the aircraft explode in the sky?


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    #213
    Fr_Dougal
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    Just saw a pic of some bodies amongst the wreckage on twitter.

    Rip.


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    #214
    major bill
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    RIP to all onboard


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    #215
    karma_
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Is it? Has anyone reported a missile launch? Or see the aircraft explode in the sky?

    Well given they claimed to have shot down a Ukrainian military plane at around the same time, and no Ukrainian plane was downed... and those claims subsequently being distanced, yeah it seems clear cut.


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    #216
    Tipsy McSwagger
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    Ah jaysus I just seen a pic of a dead child still strapped in its seat.


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    #217
    ceadaoin.
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    There seem to be loads of pics popping up on twitter of people finding pieces of wreckage but are there any emergency services or police on the scene? Surely it's best for the evidence not to be disturbed and to be recovered ASAP so that it can be determined what exactly happened.


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    #218
    ceadaoin.
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    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Ah jaysus I just seen a pic of a dead child still strapped in its seat.

    Jesus that's heartbreaking, what kind of person would post such a picture. :mad:


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    #219
    comongethappy
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    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Russian terrorists have admitted shooting down 2 planes in that area today.

    Conveniently that story stopped running as soon as the Malaysian plane was reported missing


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    #220
    [Deleted User]
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    TheZohan wrote: »
    Just saw a pic of some bodies amongst the wreckage on twitter.

    Rip.

    Ive been watching a Rssian news report, jesus, the coverage is very graphic. Like something from a horror movie :(

    I have to ask, why on earth are camera crews allowed so close to a crash site. Who knows what evidence they could be trampling on.


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    #221
    comongethappy
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    There seem to be loads of pics popping up on twitter of people finding pieces of wreckage but are there any emergency services or police on the scene? Surely it's best for the evidence not to be disturbed and to be recovered ASAP so that it can be determined what exactly happened.

    There is some...

    TV showing what appears to be a fire crew on site putting out the fire.


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    #222
    Dr Strange
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    There seem to be loads of pics popping up on twitter of people finding pieces of wreckage but are there any emergency services or police on the scene? Surely it's best for the evidence not to be disturbed and to be recovered ASAP so that it can be determined what exactly happened.

    If the images are correct the identification process has been made a whole lot more difficult by removing the passports and possibly personal items (this post: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91320908&postcount=192) from bodies or near the bodies. At the very least the site would be mapped and separated into squares and all items, bodies, body parts, wreckage parts, etc. would be recorded in relation to each other to provide the best advantage for identifying the victims.


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    #223
    Angry_Mammarys
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    I'm actually afraid to log into twitter in case I see something, It's horrible putting those pictures up, what if a family member seen :( Really hoping that it happened so fast that noone suffered:(


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    #224
    beks101
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    Scene hasn't yet been cordoned off and a Russian news agency is the first press to the site. They've been posting pictures and video, body parts and passports and tickets strewn across the place, I saw a 'Guide to Bali' book in one shot.


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    #225
    Tipsy McSwagger
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Jesus that's heartbreaking, what kind of person would post such a picture. :mad:

    It really brings home what has happened. All you can see on Sky News is black smoke and not the total devastation of the crash. It's horrible but a photo will make people angry and want answers.


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    #226
    miss no stars
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    wretcheddomain wrote: »
    With respect to the plane actually breaking up - if it broke up either at the point of contact of the missile or mid-air, then wouldn't you expect a greater spread of the wreckage? Judging from the photos on Twitter, the wreckage seems to be collected as if it crashed without breaking up; at an angle of course.

    The debris is spread over a 15km long area...


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    #227
    ceadaoin.
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    comongethappy wrote: »
    There is some...

    TV showing what appears to be a fire crew on sirmte putting out the fire.

    Well at least that's something. It just seems to be a free for all right now. Apparently Russian news has shown a video of the passports being opened and the identities shown clearly, some of them children. That's just wrong.


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    #228
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    beks101 wrote: »
    Scene hasn't yet been cordoned off and a Russian news agency is the first press to the site. They've been posting pictures and video, body parts and passports and tickets strewn across the place, I saw a 'Guide to Bali' book in one shot.

    I saw that too. Its nuts how people are running around this site. :mad:


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    #229
    The One Doctor
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    God. The poor passengers and crew. Very sad. And I really, really hope it wasn't a shootdown.
    miss no stars wrote: »
    The debris is spread over a 15km long area...

    That makes a shootdown. The aircraft came apart bit by bit.

    Shit.


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    #230
    Rhys Essien
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    Crikey,there could have been multiple airliners shot down.Emirates,Etihad,Singapore and Kazakh airlines were all in the immediate area and all carried on.On C4 news now.


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    #231
    vicwatson
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    The black boxes will hopefully reveal something, or at least rule certain events out.

    That's if they ever retrieve them, I can imagine they'll be stolen too or destroyed
    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Ah jaysus I just seen a pic of a dead child still strapped in its seat.

    Sick bastards that take and post these pictures, like seriously they need to get a serious life:mad:


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    #232
    spillit67
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    Jake1 wrote: »
    Ive been watching a Rssian news report, jesus, the coverage is very graphic. Like something from a horror movie :(

    I have to ask, why on earth are camera crews allowed so close to a crash site. Who knows what evidence they could be trampling on.

    um this area is pretty much an ungoverned warzone.


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    #233
    riffmongous
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    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    Crikey,there could have been multiple airliners shot down.Emirates,Etihad,Singapore and Kazakh airlines were all in the immediate area and all carried on.On C4 news now.
    Russia Today just claimed that Putins plane was in the area :confused: Bizarre deflection claim maybe


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    #234
    floggg
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    Conas wrote: »
    Good description of George W Bush and Barack Obama alright.

    Didn't you storm off in a huff?

    And agreed.

    They are not half as bad as Putin though.


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    #235
    My name is URL
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    The One Doctor wrote: »


    That makes a shootdown. The aircraft came apart bit by bit.

    Shit.

    More than likely at this stage but it's the only possible explanation for a plane breaking up at high altitude.


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    #236
    beks101
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    From a journalist at the crash scene:

    @NoahSneider
    At crash site of #MH17. Bodies everywhere, organs splayed out. Too gruesome to post photographs. This is an absolute disaster. #ukraine

    They need to cordone the site the fcuk off, it seems it's a free-for-all at this point.


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    #237
    Firefox11
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    spillit67 wrote: »
    um this area is pretty much an ungoverned warzone.

    that's what I would fear. The possibility of a fair and impartial air crash investigation is slim at best. We may naver know what exactly what happened here.


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    #238
    snaps
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    Its a free for all as the police and military can't get to the scene as the militants won't allow them. Its a real mess and a tragedy. Perhaps Putin will use some sense and talk to these militants.


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    #239
    miss no stars
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    beks101 wrote: »
    From a journalist at the crash scene:

    @NoahSneider
    At crash site of #MH17. Bodies everywhere, organs splayed out. Too gruesome to post photographs. This is an absolute disaster. #ukraine

    They need to cordone the site the fcuk off, it seems it's a free-for-all at this point.

    problem: who is they?


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    #240
    [Deleted User]
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    It would be best if people didn't post links to Twitter or news feeds with graphic content. Also really don't need to read posts describing graphic images :(


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    #241
    My name is URL
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    beks101 wrote: »
    From a journalist at the crash scene:

    @NoahSneider
    At crash site of #MH17. Bodies everywhere, organs splayed out. Too gruesome to post photographs. This is an absolute disaster. #ukraine

    They need to cordone the site the fcuk off, it seems it's a free-for-all at this point.

    Ukraine is the largest country in Europe, and this happened in a relatively remote area in which an active conflict is underway.

    Plus the wreckage probably covers an area of a few dozen miles. It's not just as straight forward as emergency services showing up and instantly closing the crash site off.


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