Malaysian airline MH-17 discussion thread

Busted Flat.

Is this why western media have dropped the the story of flight MH 17



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Malaysian press charges Ukraine government shot down .

The New Straits Times article, titled “US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft,” lays out evidence that Ukrainian fighter aircraft attacked the jetliner with first a missile, then with bursts of 30-millimeter machine gun fire from both sides of MH17. The Russian army has already presented detailed radar and satellite data showing a Ukrainian Sukhoi-25 fighter jet tailing MH17 shortly before the jetliner crashed.

Peist2007

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Is this why western media have dropped the the story of flight MH 17



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Malaysian press charges Ukraine government shot down .

The New Straits Times article, titled “US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft,” lays out evidence that Ukrainian fighter aircraft attacked the jetliner with first a missile, then with bursts of 30-millimeter machine gun fire from both sides of MH17. The Russian army has already presented detailed radar and satellite data showing a Ukrainian Sukhoi-25 fighter jet tailing MH17 shortly before the jetliner crashed.

But BBC and Sky arent saying that - therefore you are a conspiracy nut.

Needs to be fully verified but it makes more sense that Ukraine did this than Russia.

Busted Flat.

Peist2007 wrote: »

But BBC and Sky arent saying that - therefore you are a conspiracy nut.

Needs to be fully verified but it makes more sense that Ukraine did this than Russia.

They are saying nothing, and reporting nothing of the investigation, or the scene of the crash since that story broke in Malaysia. They are now composing a new story to protect Kerry and his cronies in the EU.

pablo128

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Is this why western media have dropped the the story of flight MH 17



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Malaysian press charges Ukraine government shot down .

The New Straits Times article, titled “US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft,” lays out evidence that Ukrainian fighter aircraft attacked the jetliner with first a missile, then with bursts of 30-millimeter machine gun fire from both sides of MH17. The Russian army has already presented detailed radar and satellite data showing a Ukrainian Sukhoi-25 fighter jet tailing MH17 shortly before the jetliner crashed.

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Busted Flat.

pablo128 wrote: »

link not working.

Try this.

Google this, link won't open for me in Boards.

Malaysian press charges Ukraine government shot down ...
www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/08/09/mala-a09.html
3 days ago - Malaysian press charges Ukraine government shot down MH 17. By Alex Lantier ... A Thursday article in the New Straits Times, Malaysia's flagship ... satellite data showing a Ukrainian Sukhoi-25 fighter jet tailing MH17 shortly ...


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darkpagandeath

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Is this why western media have dropped the the story of flight MH 17



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Malaysian press charges Ukraine government shot down .

The New Straits Times article, titled “US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft,” lays out evidence that Ukrainian fighter aircraft attacked the jetliner with first a missile, then with bursts of 30-millimeter machine gun fire from both sides of MH17. The Russian army has already presented detailed radar and satellite data showing a Ukrainian Sukhoi-25 fighter jet tailing MH17 shortly before the jetliner crashed.

Again with this, Please tell us how that plane reached 32,000 ft. And 30 mm machine guns are avenger cannon type, that's a large mini gun. I'm sure you can imagine what a mini gun will do, A mini gun will not leave nice 30 mm holes. 30 mm avenger cannons are what they use to kill tanks on the A10. These guys keep saying machine gun that's not true, it’s a cannon on the SU25 that's a ground attack plane usually 2 cannon in 1 pod. 30 mm depleted uranium rounds or explosive mix. Again at least give a credible plane that could take down a passenger aircraft at 32,000 ft.

Peist2007

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Again with this, Please tell us how that plane reached 32,000 ft. And 30 mm machine guns are avenger cannon type, that's a large mini gun. I'm sure you can imagine what a mini gun will do, A mini gun will not leave nice 30 mm holes. 30 mm avenger cannons are what they use to kill tanks on the A10. These guys keep saying machine gun that's not true, it’s a cannon on the SU25 that's a ground attack plane usually 2 cannon in 1 pod. 30 mm depleted uranium rounds or explosive mix. Again at least give a credible plane that could take down a passenger aircraft at 32,000 ft.

Ha ha now evidence suddenly becomes important :pac:

darkpagandeath

Peist2007 wrote: »

Ha ha now evidence suddenly becomes important :pac:

Have you evidence how a ground attack plane gained 10,000 feet above it's service celling to intercept a jet passenger plane at 32,000.

InTheTrees

This is getting Creepy. Instead of going to your weird propaganda site I went to the New Straits Times site itself.

Instead of posting links to fringe news sites that quote the New Straits Times article, why cant you post a link to the actual New straits Times story?

Here's the address, go find the story and post a link to it:

http://www.nst.com.my/

Elmer Blooker

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Have you evidence how a ground attack plane gained 10,000 feet above it's service celling to intercept a jet passenger plane at 32,000.

Where are you getting your information that a SU-25 has a ceiling of 22,000?
Were we "told" this by the Kiev Government (whoever's in charge?)
See under Performance: service ceiling, m 5,000- 10,000.
http://www.redstar.gr/Foto_red/Eng/Aircraft/Su_25M1.html

InTheTrees

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Have you evidence how a ground attack plane gained 10,000 feet above it's service celling to intercept a jet passenger plane at 32,000.

They're just quoting propaganda. There's no article in the malaysian press.

Here's another gem from "journalist" "alex Lantier":

"Alex Lantier – Washington, Ukrainian puppet regime prepare new fascist slaughter in Odessa. In the wake of Friday's fascist massacre of pro-Russian protesters ."

InTheTrees

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Where are you getting your information that a SU-25 has a ceiling of 22,000?
Were we "told" this by the Kiev Government (whoever's in charge?)
See under Performance: service ceiling, m 5,000- 10,000.
http://www.redstar.gr/Foto_red/Eng/Aircraft/Su_25M1.html

Enough of these weird links, half of them are setting off virus alerts on my computer.

You're asking me to click on "redstar.gr" ??

What the f is that?? What is a ".gr" domain? Is it in greece?

InTheTrees

Posting links to malicious websites will get you banned from Boards.ie.

Just saying.

pablo128

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Try this.

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Malaysian press charges Ukraine government shot down ...
www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/08/09/mala-a09.html
3 days ago - Malaysian press charges Ukraine government shot down MH 17. By Alex Lantier ... A Thursday article in the New Straits Times, Malaysia's flagship ... satellite data showing a Ukrainian Sukhoi-25 fighter jet tailing MH17 shortly ...


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Here's an article from today, where the Americans are openly claiming to have imagery of the weapon used to take down the plane. http://www.nst.com.my/node/22502

InTheTrees

Peist2007 wrote: »

But BBC and Sky arent saying that

Neither is the Malaysian New Straits Times.

darkpagandeath

Why do you think I don't click on any links form the Pro Russian side :pac:

Peist2007

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Have you evidence how a ground attack plane gained 10,000 feet above it's service celling to intercept a jet passenger plane at 32,000.

I never made the claim at all. Just seems that you are able to say the Russians are behind this without any evidence whereas when it is put to you evidence suddenly becomes paramount. Read back through my posts, i am saying we dont know what happened yet but blindly believing what 2 of the prime suspects are saying (when one of them - the US - is a renowned liar) is foolish. You are the guys making the sweeping statements.

Peist2007

pablo128 wrote: »

Here's an article from today, where the Americans are openly claiming to have imagery of the weapon used to take down the plane. http://www.nst.com.my/node/22502

Great, let's see it. Kerry's proof. Finally.

On reading the article it becomes clear that this is just more hot air from Kerry. The imagery they have they think is the weapon. Great

InTheTrees

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why do you think I don't click on any links form the Pro Russian side :pac:

These sites are just making this sh*t up.

And all the while telling their "readers"(!?), not to trust the "western" media.

Quite a money maker I imagine preying on the gullible.

darkpagandeath

Peist2007 wrote: »

I never made the claim at all. Just seems that you are able to say the Russians are behind this without any evidence whereas when it is put to you evidence suddenly becomes paramount. Read back through my posts, i am saying we dont know what happened yet but blindly believing what 2 of the prime suspects are saying (when one of them - the US - is a renowned liar) is foolish. You are the guys making the sweeping statements.

No I have been saying from the start Separatists, Maybe check back. Separatists shooting down planes in the area for days. Then a passenger plane gets shot down days after Separatists boast about getting this kind of SAM hardware. It's not rocket science. Russian backed militia and trained personal have been flowing across the boarder since the capture of Crimea. And if you think there were no Russian boots on the ground where did that massive army spring up from ? The capture of Crimea was done by unmarked Russian personnel.

Peist2007

darkpagandeath wrote: »

No I have been saying from the start Separatists, Maybe check back. Separatists shooting down planes in the area for days. Then a passenger plane gets shot down days after Separatists boast about getting this kind of SAM hardware. It's not rocket science. Russian backed militia and trained personal have been flowing across the boarder since the capture of Crimea. And if you think there were no Russian boots on the ground where did that massive army spring up from ? The capture of Crimea was done by unmarked Russian personnel.

I know your position. You think it was the separatists backed by Russia. My point is that, whilst using a method of deduction, it is still speculation until proven. And no one seems to be proving anything despite their claims to the contrary.

pablo128

Peist2007 wrote: »

I know your position. You think it was the separatists backed by Russia. My point is that, whilst using a method of deduction, it is still speculation until proven. And no one seems to be proving anything despite their claims to the contrary.

Yeah, you're right. Which is why this is a discussion thread, not an evidence thread.

WakeUp

Peist2007 wrote: »

Great, let's see it. Kerry's proof. Finally.

On reading the article it becomes clear that this is just more hot air from Kerry. The imagery they have they think is the weapon. Great

I would second this. I want to know who shot that plane down whoever it was. the Americans have proof. show us. or is it more a case of "trust us"- we know. doesn't work like that I'm afraid.

Peist2007

pablo128 wrote: »

Yeah, you're right. Which is why this is a discussion thread, not an evidence thread.

So why the insults towards those holding an opposing view? It isnt like we are saying aliens did it. I amnt saying who did it at all. I pointed out the odd manner in which the culprit was announced and then none of the promised evidence was produced. I dont think it is unreasonable at all to ask the questions, seeing as you say it is a discussion thread. So why the insults? Why the accusations of being a shill? Why the references to working for the Russian government? Do people not see that as censorship? Suppressing the discussion you say this is for.

Ps no one here demanding evidence is demanding it from posters in this chatroom. They are demanding it from the Americans who said they had it but have not produced it. It is very very simple.

Piliger

InTheTrees wrote: »

These sites are just making this sh*t up.

And all the while telling their "readers"(!?), not to trust the "western" media.

Quite a money maker I imagine preying on the gullible.

Indeed. The evidence is in and has already been assessed and decided on by the public across the world. There is no one waiting on any report or any future evidence.

Putin's special forces fired the missile, killed 280+ people and still hasn't handed over all of the bodies to their families. What a disgusting and odious animal he is.

pablo128

Peist2007 wrote: »

Ps no one here demanding evidence is demanding it from posters in this chatroom. They are demanding it from the Americans who said they had it but have not produced it. It is very very simple.

This is a joke, right?

miss tickle

pablo128 wrote: »

Here's an article from today, where the Americans are openly claiming to have imagery of the weapon used to take down the plane. http://www.nst.com.my/node/22502

This is what Kerry said,

Kerry said the United States wanted to see a full investigation. Without naming Russia, he added: “This type of weapon (used) we have seen on our imagery... so really it is no mystery where it came from and where these weapons have come from.


So is he suggesting Ukraine shot down MH17, as their stock of BUK's would be quite visible on said imagery?

Yeatz

darkpagandeath wrote: »

No I have been saying from the start Separatists, Maybe check back. Separatists shooting down planes in the area for days. Then a passenger plane gets shot down days after Separatists boast about getting this kind of SAM hardware. It's not rocket science. Russian backed militia and trained personal have been flowing across the boarder since the capture of Crimea. And if you think there were no Russian boots on the ground where did that massive army spring up from ? The capture of Crimea was done by unmarked Russian personnel.

What you did there - I see it.

miss tickle

Piliger wrote: »

Indeed. The evidence is in and has already been assessed and decided on by the public across the world. There is no one waiting on any report or any future evidence.

Putin's special forces fired the missile, killed 280+ people and still hasn't handed over all of the bodies to their families. What a disgusting and odious animal he is.

Where is the evidence?

Unless you consider trial by media, and the booming rhetoric of coffin surfing, vested, political interests as evidence.

pablo128

Peist2007 wrote: »

Ps no one here demanding evidence is demanding it from posters in this chatroom. They are demanding it from the Americans who said they had it but have not produced it. It is very very simple.

miss tickle wrote: »

Where is the evidence?

Unless you consider trial by media, and the booming rhetoric of coffin surfing, vested, political interests as evidence.

You lot are gas.