Malaysian Airline shot down

shanered

Just seen that aircraft had been shot down. Was thinking about who done it, the Russians? The Ukrainians?
But here is a thought, also seeing that Israeli ground invasion of Gaza strip started just after under the cover of this flight terrorist attack, could it be possible that some special ops section of the Israeli army taken out the flight as a media cover for their invasion.

Maybe its all a coincidence, but I was thinking along the lines of who benifits from the crash, and I believe Israels public relations will be quite happy to have world news covering the flight disaster rather than the invasion...

What does anybody else think?

Royal Irish

It was definitely not Israel who shot that plan down.

shanered

it could have been Israel, it could have been any country, I suppose that's the whole thing about speculation.

But I don't know how your so sure.
They are the only group to benifit from the crash so I think its merits thought.

Can you think of any other group that will benifit from the shooting down of the airline?

RiteofPassage

Israel had nothing to do with the shooting down of that flight.

RiteofPassage

shanered wrote: »

it could have been Israel, it could have been any country, I
Can you think of any other group that will benifit from the shooting down of the airline?

US- Putin established BRIC bank last night. Has forged closer links with Cuba.

However just because it would benefit them, doesn't mean they had anything to do with it.

shanered

Nobody here can say for definite who carried out the attack.

Unless you have some inside information your not sharing?
This is a forum for speculation, and your definitive answer does not address my post.
Can you see how it will help Israeli Public Relations will be happy that a major event will over shadow their ground invasion of the Gaza strip?My thinking only follows that line.

Do you believe anybody other than Israel benifits from the airline crash?

Will I Amnt

shanered wrote: »

Nobody here can say for definite who carried out the attack.

Unless you have some inside information your not sharing?
This is a forum for speculation, and your definitive answer does not address my post.
Can you see how it will help Israeli Public Relations will be happy that a major event will over shadow their ground invasion of the Gaza strip?My thinking only follows that line.

Do you believe anybody other than Israel benifits from the airline crash?

Maybe it was like, you know, just an accident...

bilston

shanered wrote: »

Nobody here can say for definite who carried out the attack.

Unless you have some inside information your not sharing?
This is a forum for speculation, and your definitive answer does not address my post.
Can you see how it will help Israeli Public Relations will be happy that a major event will over shadow their ground invasion of the Gaza strip?My thinking only follows that line.

Do you believe anybody other than Israel benifits from the airline crash?

I doubt even Goebbels word have come up with propaganda like that

RiteofPassage

The US has the most to gain from this, they have a proven track record of downing civilian planes. Shepherd Smith was literally foaming at the mouth on Fox. Jumping to all sorts of conclusions before any facts were established.

mulbot

RiteofPassage wrote: »

Israel had nothing to do with the shooting down of that flight.

yea they're too busy using their weapons on little children playing on the beach

shanered

Very true, maybe an accident.
But that's not what the conspiracy theory forum is for.

EoghanIRL

How are you so sure the plane was shot down . I think it was too but it hasn't been confirmed has it ?

Will I Amnt

shanered wrote: »

Very true, maybe an accident.
But that's not what the conspiracy theory forum is for.

I always thought it was to discuss something that had some sort of merit and not just try and latch a conspiracy onto every event that happens ever.

shanered

RiteofPassage wrote: »

The US has the most to gain from this, they have a proven track record of downing civilian planes. Shepherd Smith was literally foaming at the mouth on Fox. Jumping to all sorts of conclusions before any facts were established.

American media and Israel are joined at the hip in my opinion.
Israel/US are the closest allies. They both benifit from this.

RiteofPassage

People in power are inherently corrupt individuals, who love to lie and always believe that their way is correct. They also love money and sex.

A direct result of this is lots of conspiracies, and efforts to cover them up.

In the thousands of years of human existence, the corruption and greed of those in power is the only constant.

People didn't change in the past 70 years. Just got better at hiding things.

RiteofPassage

shanered wrote: »

American media and Israel are joined at the hip in my opinion.
Israel/US are the closest allies. They both benifit from this.

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

shanered

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I always thought it was to discuss something that had some sort of merit and not just try and latch a conspiracy onto every event that happens ever.

I believe there is the slightest chance of possibility of this, merit is subjective, you don't see any, fine.
Im not trying to convince anybody, just speculating.
But if one was to latch a conspiracy to any event, I wish I could with ever event as you say but id be worn out, I reckon this forum is the place...

RiteofPassage

I believe that Shanered has every right to discuss this here. As is the forums charter. It is a theory he has on a possible conspiracy.

Markcheese

There is really only one of two groups who could have shot down the airliner , ukrainian military ( who accused the russian airforce of shooting down one of their jets so are likely to have had their antiaircraft missiles/batteries in the area).
Or the Russian military,( I doubt the independent republic of Donetsk went to spar to buy a few antiaircraft missile systems, and the missiles to replace what they've used and then found a few complete fully trained crews down the back of the couch. So they're Russian army, )
No yanks, israelis, Turks or Australians (well maybe the Aussies )

Will I Amnt

shanered wrote: »

I believe there is the slightest chance of possibility of this, merit is subjective, you don't see any, fine.
Im not trying to convince anybody, just speculating.
But if one was to latch a conspiracy to any event, I wish I could with ever event as you say but id be worn out, I reckon this forum is the place...

I don't post here and you obviously know more about how the forum works but I would have thought there had to be some cause for discussion.
You're basically asking others if they can find a theory in there somewhere.

Can you think of any other group that will benifit from the shooting down of the airline?

GarIT

shanered wrote: »

Can you think of any other group that will benifit from the shooting down of the airline?

Yeah, maybe we arranged it to cover up the trouble with Garth Brooks.

shanered

Your right it is wild speculation.
But the nature of this forum is exactly that.

Will I Amnt

shanered wrote: »

Your right it is wild speculation.
But the nature of this forum is exactly that.

Fair enough, I've misunderstood how it works so.

bilston

I'm pretty sure Israel had nothing whatsoever to do with this.

However I would I imagine that when news broke of the plane incident they maybe thought that now was a pretty good time to laun h a ground invasion of Gaza so they may have capitalised on the incident even if they didn't carry it out which I'm sure they did not.

shanered

That's also a good speculation, maybe just a good time to capitalize, maybe part of a larger planned invasion and media cover in the USA and other western countries.

seamus

Seems like the most likely cause is a mistake by an inexperienced operator on the rebel side, operating stolen or acquired SAMs.

Although I was also thinking about the nature of the flight itself - Kuala Lumpur bound from Amsterdam in July. Probably chock full of Europeans on their way to backpack or holiday or whatever.

Could have been a deliberate attempt to goad the EU into getting involved. Everyone has an interest in it:

Ukraine - get the EU involved and they have serious firepower backing them up
Rebels - It would require Russia to get involved directly
Russia - It gives them an excuse to begin further invasions into Ukraine in the interests of "protecting Russians from EU forces"

allthedoyles

RiteofPassage

ALLTHEDOYLES


Source???


Thank You.

allthedoyles

RiteofPassage wrote: »

ALLTHEDOYLES


Source???
Thank You.

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/malaysia-airlines-plane-crash-flight-3877002

murpho999

What sort of warped mind would think Israel shot this plane down?

How would they get such large weapons into Ukraine?

How can people say they want to deflect attention when the story of Gaza is getting huge coverage.

Also, Israel has invaded Gaza before without any other deflection plans.

It's a very poor conspiracy theory.

Daithi 1

Some juice for yas... This is straight from the Corr !

"Malaysia airlines Flight 17 first flew 17 July 1997 until
17 July 2014 when it was downed 17 years later. There is an occult significance to this for those in the know"

The Dagda

It's reported in RT that Putin's plane was in the vicinity of the Malaysian jet when it was shot down.

Being shot down by mistake when the real target is Putin seems a more likely theory than some of the clutching at straws here.

Daithi 1

The Dagda wrote: »

It's reported in RT that Putin's plane was in the vicinity of the Malaysian jet when it was shot down.

Being shot down by mistake when the real target is Putin seems a more likely theory than some of the clutching at straws here.

If Putins plane was hit, we wouldn't have all the magic 17's.

enno99

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Some juice for yas... This is straight from the Corr !

"Malaysia airlines Flight 17 first flew 17 July 1997 until
17 July 2014 when it was downed 17 years later. There is an occult significance to this for those in the know"

Occult Message in Speech by Christine Lagarde of IMF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmViPTndxw

I think one of the comments was really interesting

This speech was given on January 14, 2014. She refers to the G7 as having something to do with it. On that date, there was no G7, it was the G8. It was not until March 24, 2014 that Russia was kicked out of the G8 thereby making it once again the G7. Another example that everything is planned out in advance by the NWO!

old_aussie

shanered wrote: »

Just seen that aircraft had been shot down. Was thinking about who done it, the Russians? The Ukrainians?
But here is a thought, also seeing that Israeli ground invasion of Gaza strip started just after under the cover of this flight terrorist attack, could it be possible that some special ops section of the Israeli army taken out the flight as a media cover for their invasion.

Maybe its all a coincidence, but I was thinking along the lines of who benifits from the crash, and I believe Israels public relations will be quite happy to have world news covering the flight disaster rather than the invasion...

What does anybody else think?

No

youtube!

murpho999 wrote: »

What sort of warped mind would think Israel shot this plane down?

How would they get such large weapons into Ukraine?

How can people say they want to deflect attention when the story of Gaza is getting huge coverage.

Also, Israel has invaded Gaza before without any other deflection plans.

It's a very poor conspiracy theory.

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=29535

Beano

youtube! wrote: »

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=29535

we're not bringing that up again are we? that article is from march and relates to the plane that disappeared not the plane shot down. In fact it doesnt really relate to either plane. Its just an ex malaysia airlines planes that they sold off and was stored in israel by the buyers.

youtube!

Beano wrote: »

we're not bringing that up again are we? that article is from march and relates to the plane that disappeared not the plane shot down. In fact it doesnt really relate to either plane. Its just an ex malaysia airlines planes that they sold off and was stored in israel by the buyers.

maybe but that's one helluva coincidence....

yopy

RiteofPassage wrote: »

The US has the most to gain from this, they have a proven track record of downing civilian planes. Shepherd Smith was literally foaming at the mouth on Fox. Jumping to all sorts of conclusions before any facts were established.

Who watches Fox?!!

yopy

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Some juice for yas... This is straight from the Corr !

"Malaysia airlines Flight 17 first flew 17 July 1997 until
17 July 2014 when it was downed 17 years later. There is an occult significance to this for those in the know"

It must have been Leeds United new owner Massimo Cellino who is noted for his hatred of the number 17!

seamus

There are actual dead people here. Civilians who are known to have boarded MH17 yesterday and are now dead, many of them their bodies captured on video naked, burned and broken and uploaded to the web. A colleague of my brother's and his family are all confirmed dead after leaving for a holiday yesterday.

Unless you're going to believe that Israel flew their 777 to Amsterdam yesterday and managed to fool Malay Airlines into putting their passengers on the Israeli plane, then this theory that it was an Israeli plane is a dead end.

Beano

youtube! wrote: »

maybe but that's one helluva coincidence....

a coincidence of what? you seem to think that something can be inferred from its presence. The plane is still reported to be in Israel so how could it be linked to either of the malaysia airlines planes?

Tzar Chasm

There is a tape doing the rounds which seems to be an intercepted conversation between rebel commanders, initially they claim to have shot down a ukranian Antanov, then they inspect the wreckage and discover it was a civilian plane.

there are also pictures of a BAM rocket launcher which the rebels claimed to be in posession of.

As for Israel, I doubt they did this, but you can be damm sure they will capatalise on the distraction to slaughter as many palestinians as possible

DamagedTrax

another angle has shown itself.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/10975275/Leading-HIV-researchers-lost-as-flight-MH17-is-downed-in-Ukraine.html

RiteofPassage

This is definitely a false flag.

What a coincidence, first airplane rebels down @ 10,000 meters and its a civilian Malaysian 777.

Plane flying off course today.. SUN HEADLINE: PUTINS MISSILE

buried

The media propaganda slant is very strong in the reporting of this terrible incident. I watched it on tv as it broke and was amazed at the speed of the judgement laid out as to who was responsible with no actual evidence or facts. On sky news, literally 20 minutes into its coverage they were reporting the unconfirmed angle, but reporting as total fact, that it was Russian backed separatists as the culprits, claiming they had definite evidence that Russia was directly responsible but the evidence is really just a bunch of unidentifiable Russian men discussing an event??

30 minutes later sky news gives us a statement from the Malaysian transport minister where he states "we do not even know if the aircraft has been shot down or has crashed, as of yet" - which is a good common sense statement really, but sky news does its best to demean the Transport minister by wrongly describing him as "that guy from the MH370 flight debacle" they also disgracefully tried to demean the Ministers statement with this ridiculous line - "Malaysia is seven hours behind us here so they have no clue as to what is happening - but we do"

This is an hour after the first reports of the crash. Its no wonder some people suspect this very matter of fact blame slant and blame conclusion as it literally happened 60 minutes after the crash, I mean, how many other airline disasters were completely "solved" 60 minutes after the crash by some presenter in a London TV studio?

The main question I think is how was this aircraft given clearance and directions to use this particular airspace, where in the last few weeks numerous other aircraft have been shot down by BUK's in this total anarchic warfare zone? Other aircraft were shot down in this area of Eastern Ukraine, right? That was being repeatedly reported yesterday by mainstream media outlets, but that angle on the story has somewhat gone quiet today. Is that due to Malaysian Airline officials giving official statements earlier today that MH17 was given clearance and directions to fly into this conflict zone, a warzone in which we were repeatedly informed yesterday, that - supposedly 3 other Ukrainian military aircraft were 'shot down by pro-Russian separatists' during the last week?

Seanachai

Another possibility,

"Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.
Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar."

http://www.eturbonews.com/48079/ukraine-air-traffic-controller-suggests-kiev-military-shot-down-

shanered

Seanachai wrote: »

Another possibility,

"Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.
Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar."

http://www.eturbonews.com/48079/ukraine-air-traffic-controller-suggests-kiev-military-shot-down-

Pity they took the story down from their page...

RiteofPassage

In my opinion its the Airlines fault for flying there. MA must be really incompetent.

The land they were flying over wasn't in Ukrainian control, and they hardly went to rebels for permission to fly over it.

degrassinoel

is it possible they were flying around bad weather?

Rhys Essien

RiteofPassage wrote: »

In my opinion its the Airlines fault for flying there. MA must be really incompetent.

The land they were flying over wasn't in Ukrainian control, and they hardly went to rebels for permission to fly over it.

degrassinoel wrote: »

is it possible they were flying around bad weather?

The vast majority of airlines saw no danger flying over the Donetsk region especially at 30,000ft+.And why would they.These BUK missile batteries were only captured less than 3 weeks ago on 29 June.There have been around 900 flights that have flown this route in the last few months and yesterday there was 4 other airlines Emirates,Etihad,Singapore and Kazakh 'near' Malaysia Airlines.It could have been any one of them.