Saturday 19th

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I think the last 3 year old filly to win it was Pawneese in 76 , well thats according to wikipedia .

Itziger

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Good god anyone listening to William Hill radio? 'I can't remember the last three year old filly winner of the King George? Just looking through the list is it St Jovite?' 'It could very well be'

If my Aunt had ball$ she'd be my uncle.

Andalucia

interesting that JP O'Brien weighed in 1.6 lbs overweight on Tapestry after the Oaks, had a drink of water at the start, and the sweat from the filly helped contribute to this overweight - that was the story the stewards lapped up.

luckily for them a stable mate won it, don't think the lads would be best pleased to get beat a neck owing to overweight

can't see him making the weight next year, as 9 stone constant struggle these days

andyman

I can't see Aidan letting him be a jock for too much longer at that weight. It's viciously unhealthy for a man of his size.

the groutch

I'd say he has the rest of this year, and maybe next year in him, that's about it.

Gringo180

Andalucia wrote: »

interesting that JP O'Brien weighed in 1.6 lbs overweight on Tapestry after the Oaks, had a drink of water at the start, and the sweat from the filly helped contribute to this overweight - that was the story the stewards lapped up.

luckily for them a stable mate won it, don't think the lads would be best pleased to get beat a neck owing to overweight

can't see him making the weight next year, as 9 stone constant struggle these days

So basically that extra weight cost the filly the race?

bit of a bogey

andyman wrote: »

I can't see Aidan letting him be a jock for too much longer at that weight. It's viciously unhealthy for a man of his size.

What about Magnier/Tabor/Smith? I think its incredible that they let any jockey continue to put up ow on what is the most sophisticated operation in the world, Makes no sense to me even if he is the trainers son.

I also think its a joke that Ana is getting the rides she is.

jimjamcos

bit of a bogey wrote: »

What about Magnier/Tabor/Smith? I think its incredible that they let any jockey continue to put up ow on what is the most sophisticated operation in the world, Makes no sense to me even if he is the trainers son.

I also think its a joke that Ana is getting the rides she is.

In fairness to Ana, she rode her mothers horse, not Coolmore's, and gave it a grand ride. Nothing wrong with that when all the Ballydoyle jocks and Moore were on more fancied horses.

bit of a bogey

jimjamcos wrote: »

In fairness to Ana, she rode her mothers horse, not Coolmore's, and gave it a grand ride. Nothing wrong with that when all the Ballydoyle jocks and Moore were on more fancied horses.

I agree when its the mothers horse but she has got a few mounts for coolmore also.

Andalucia

You would have to argue yes from a handicapping perspective, over 12 furlongs, 1 length equals 1.25 lb, she was only beat a neck, with 1.6 lbs less, she would have won by a length and a half

His constant overweight on horses allotted 9 stone gets very little attention in the press, pack of sheep don't want to rock the boat.

As for the stewards, that's a laugh, they prefer to fine small time trainers Eur 350 for something poxy like not having the horse passport up to date with vaccinations, must create a thread on the stewards during Galway, that will be entertaining

Gringo180

Andalucia wrote: »

You would have to argue yes from a handicapping perspective, over 12 furlongs, 1 length equals 1.25 lb, she was only beat a neck, with 1.6 lbs less, she would have won by a length and a half

His constant overweight on horses allotted 9 stone gets very little attention in the press, pack of sheep don't want to rock the boat.

As for the stewards, that's a laugh, they prefer to fine small time trainers Eur 350 for something poxy like not having the horse passport up to date with vaccinations, must create a thread on the stewards during Galway, that will be entertaining

Disgrace that is I had a few quid on Tapestry to win, never will I back a horse with him on it again. He could be overweight on alot of his rides.

Andalucia

in fairness, its only the rides at 9 stone dead to watch out for, this is his bare minimum these days, they have done some job controlling it as well thus far

usually the 1 or 2lbs overweight is not having an impact in the maidens as the horses breeding and ability is so much better than competition, but in Group 1's its where all the ounzes count

Peintre Celebre

If you take it literally then you could say it would have cost it the race but it is impossible to say for certain. Bracelet could have had more up her sleeve she is a tough filly and the deserved winner probably.


Would have been more upset the time a few years ago he was 3lbs over when beaten a short head on Don Carlos around Dundalk, think he was claiming at the time.

Andalucia

the constant wasting to try to do the weights is bound to have an adverse effect on his riding, that and he has to use such a light saddle with minimum tack to help him along

different code, but Russell became a much better jockey when he gave up trying to ride at 10.3 and decided he could only do 10.8 comfortably

O'Brien would be better off just accepting 9 stone is out of bounds, and ride at 9 stone 3 lbs, Seamie and O'Donoghue will pick up the pieces when Moore can't ride them during the week

jimjamcos

Andalucia wrote: »

the constant wasting to try to do the weights is bound to have an adverse effect on his riding, that and he has to use such a light saddle with minimum tack to help him along

different code, but Russell became a much better jockey when he gave up trying to ride at 10.3 and decided he could only do 10.8 comfortably

O'Brien would be better off just accepting 9 stone is out of bounds, and ride at 9 stone 3 lbs, Seamie and O'Donoghue will pick up the pieces when Moore can't ride them during the week

Yea, the 'post stamp' saddle (he needs due to weight) slipped on Tapestry too so coupled with the weight, he definitely cost her the race.

tryfix

Andalucia wrote: »

You would have to argue yes from a handicapping perspective, over 12 furlongs, 1 length equals 1.25 lb, she was only beat a neck, with 1.6 lbs less, she would have won by a length and a half

His constant overweight on horses allotted 9 stone gets very little attention in the press, pack of sheep don't want to rock the boat.

As for the stewards, that's a laugh, they prefer to fine small time trainers Eur 350 for something poxy like not having the horse passport up to date with vaccinations, must create a thread on the stewards during Galway, that will be entertaining

It's 1.5lbs per length over 12f.

5f: 3lbs per length
6f: 2.5lbs per length
7f-8f: 2lbs per length
9-10f: 1.75lbs per length
11-13f: 1.5lbs per length
14f: 1.25lbs per length
15f+: 1lb per length

http://www.raceadvisor.co.uk/how-official-handicap-ratings-are-made/

Peintre Celebre

Is it the jockeys fault the saddle slipped?

faoile@n

Where did you get the information that he weighed in 1.6 pounds heavy?

I can't find evidence of this in any of the usual racingpost, irishracing, sportinglife etc...

Andalucia

faoile@n wrote: »

Where did you get the information that he weighed in 1.6 pounds heavy?

I can't find evidence of this in any of the usual racingpost, irishracing, sportinglife etc...

Turfclub.is under stewards room, check daily enquiries
Press have an agenda.don't tell the punter what really goes on

faoile@n

Andalucia wrote: »

Turfclub.is under stewards room, check daily enquiries
Press have an agenda.don't tell the punter what really goes on

Scrap that found it...

http://www.turfclub.ie/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3067:Curragh%2019th%20July%202014&catid=66:daily-enquiries&Itemid=383