Ireland U20 2015 6 nations and junior world cup

phog · 08-02-2015 11:21pm

Wales U20s v England U20s game is on S4C now if anyone is interested.

Hagz · 09-02-2015 8:25pm

There is a Carlos Olivera in the Ireland u20 profile page. Any info?

kingofthekong · 09-02-2015 8:49pm

Hagz wrote: »

There is a Carlos Olivera in the Ireland u20 profile page. Any info?

Ye saw that hahaha , looks like a mistake

kingofthekong · 09-02-2015 8:50pm

kingofthekong wrote: »

Ye saw that hahaha , looks like a mistake

Perhaps ment to be Conor Oliver haha

Hagz · 09-02-2015 8:57pm

kingofthekong wrote: »

Perhaps ment to be Conor Oliver haha

That must be it :pac:

leinster blue boys · 10-02-2015 12:31pm

Bridge93 wrote: »

He's overage for the team this year but I thought this might be the place to post. I've heard that Dylan Donnellan one of last years hookers has recently joined Biarritz.
Best of luck to him.

If you are sayin Callum sheedy is overage he is not ,hes 19 dob 28/10/95 according to Bristol website ,for who he plays his rugby ,and was selected for wales 20s ,really interested why lad pulled out

funtime93 · 10-02-2015 6:15pm

Had a flick through the player profiles there.How can Fergal Cleary and Nick Timoney be only just out of school when they are born in January 95 and March 95 respectively?That makes Timoney 20 already and Cleary nearly 20.Sure they were doing there leaving cert like 8 months ago no?

The Lost Sheep · 10-02-2015 6:42pm

funtime93 wrote: »

Had a flick through the player profiles there.How can Fergal Cleary and Nick Timoney be only just out of school when they are born in January 95 and March 95 respectively?That makes Timoney 20 already and Cleary nearly 20.Sure they were doing there leaving cert like 8 months ago no?

The age grade for schools cup rugby is under 19. Timoney was underage for schools senior cup in 6th year by 8 days as he was born 8/1/95 when the eligibility date for last years schools senior cup was 1/1/95
They both turned 19 within the 6 months prior to doing their leaving cert

funtime93 · 10-02-2015 7:07pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

The age grade for schools cup rugby is under 19. Timoney was underage for schools senior cup in 6th year by 8 days as he was born 8/1/95 when the eligibility date for last years schools senior cup was 1/1/95
They both turned 19 within the 6 months prior to doing their leaving cert

Still seems very odd. Most kids born in early 95 would have done the leaving in 2013 I would have thought.

The Lost Sheep · 10-02-2015 7:12pm

funtime93 wrote: »

Still seems very odd. Most kids born in early 95 would have done the leaving in 2013 I would have thought.

Wouldn't say very odd but they both would have been very much near oldest in their years doing exams...
The age grade being under 19 and not under 18.5 allows youngsters like them still play schools cup while 6th years and not have to look/find a club to play club rugby while in 6th year

Bridge93 · 10-02-2015 7:24pm

I thought Timoney was born in August.

kingofthekong · 10-02-2015 8:10pm

funtime93 wrote: »

Still seems very odd. Most kids born in early 95 would have done the leaving in 2013 I would have thought.

Some of the Dates of Birth on the website are incorrect

FrannoFan · 10-02-2015 8:46pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

The age grade for schools cup rugby is under 19. Timoney was underage for schools senior cup in 6th year by 8 days as he was born 8/1/95 when the eligibility date for last years schools senior cup was 1/1/95
They both turned 19 within the 6 months prior to doing their leaving cert

That is interesting. There was a study done in the states on age of players who make it as pros in hockey. Lads at the older age of the spectrum more likely to make it. comes down to being bigger-coach gives attention-players pass to the star-his skills/decision making improves etc.

MagicF · 10-02-2015 9:44pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

The age grade for schools cup rugby is under 19. Timoney was underage for schools senior cup in 6th year by 8 days as he was born 8/1/95 when the eligibility date for last years schools senior cup was 1/1/95
They both turned 19 within the 6 months prior to doing their leaving cert

Timoney's dob is 1 August 1995 not 8 January - must be American style dates you saw.

Bigbellyman · 10-02-2015 10:45pm

What determines the under 20 age limit - in other words what date is the cut off?
Can anybody clarify?

The Lost Sheep · 11-02-2015 12:11am

Bigbellyman wrote: »

What determines the under 20 age limit - in other words what date is the cut off?
Can anybody clarify?

For club or representative competitions as they differ.
This season to play on the under 20 national team the eligibility date is 1/1/95. This is the also the date used for the under 20 Munster-Connacht leagues, division 1 and 2. However in Leinster the under 20 league is 1/7/94

RugbyLover123 · 11-02-2015 12:34am

funtime93 wrote: »

Still seems very odd. Most kids born in early 95 would have done the leaving in 2013 I would have thought.

Cleary repeated 5th year once he moved to Clongowes afaik

The Lost Sheep · 11-02-2015 2:20pm

Team named

15 – Billy Dardis (UCD/ Leinster)
14 – Jack Owens (QUB/ Ulster)
13 – Garry Ringrose (UCD/ Leinster)
12 – Sam Arnold (Ballynahinch/Ulster)
11 – Steven Fitzgerald (Shannon/ Munster)
10 – Ross Byrne (UCD / Leinster)
9 – Nick McCarthy (UCD/ Leinster) (Capt)
1 – Jeremy Loughman (UCD / Leinster)
2 – Zack McCall (QUB/Ulster)
3 – Oisin Heffernan (Terenure/Leinster)
4 – David O’Connor (St. Mary’s/Leinster)
5 – Alex Thompson (QUB/Ulster)
6 – Josh Murphy (UCD/Leinster)
7 – Rory Moloney (Buccaneers/Connacht)
8 – Lorcan Dow (QUB/Ulster)
Replacements
16 – Adam McBurney (Ballymena/Ulster)
17 – Michael Lagan (Ballymena/Ulster)
18 – Conan O’Donnell (Sligo/NUIG/Connacht)
19 – Cian Romaine (Buccaneers/Connacht)
20 – Nick Timoney (St. Mary’s/Leinster)
21 – Jack Cullen (Shannon/Munster)
22 – Joey Carbery (UCD/Leinster)
23 – Fergal Cleary (Lansdowne / Leinster)

.ak · 11-02-2015 2:36pm

Probably asked already but is Adam Byrne no longer eligible?

The Lost Sheep · 11-02-2015 2:37pm

.ak wrote: »

Probably asked already but is Adam Byrne no longer eligible?

Is a 94 so ineligible. 7/8 months overage

typhoony · 11-02-2015 2:41pm

so 2 changes 1 enforced through injury. I was looking at the player stats for France last weekend and all players bar one are 20yrs old, but then i looked at their team from last year 6 nations and only 1 player has returned from last year which is at odds with the player profile.

So we have experince but I've no idea how talented this French outfit are, were scotland that bad last weekend. we'll see anyway early friday evening if wales put a big score on scotland in the earlier match then maybe we will get a clue.

I wonder has anyone found a video copy online of the weekend game?

typhoony · 11-02-2015 2:48pm

I answered my last question, video link can be found here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVl-HBS2gpM

big crowd there in France

Hagz · 11-02-2015 3:23pm

Yeh they have very few returning faces, so we'll trump them in the experience department.

Some of the players will have played against one another before in the u19s games last season. The French XV that beat Scotland had 8 players who suffered defeat to Ireland 30-21 last season returning, with a further 3 on the bench. 9 of the Ireland team picked for this Friday played in that fixture as well.

Of Course France went on to win the second game 12-8 (with 13 of the French team that played Scotland playing that game), but the Irish team went through wholesale changes. The only Irish players in this week's XV who started in that defeat are Stephen Fitzgerald and Jack Owens. As opposed to the 8 in the XV who started in the 30-21 victory.

I think it's going to be a very tight affair, but I fancy us at home. Just.

kingofthekong · 11-02-2015 3:40pm

Scotland completely out muscled in that game , France looked physical and had a good tempo but I think Ireland have more class and guile in the backs , if our forwards can put in a shift I can see us taking this one , hopefully it doesn't rain and our backs get a chance to show themselves

Quint2010 · 11-02-2015 3:42pm

Any word on Brewer? He finished last years WC as first choice 12 and now isn't even in the 23?

typhoony · 11-02-2015 3:44pm

just watched it there and this French team looks average to me, I don't think we need to worry about our scrum as the scots pushed them back a few times. Their No.6 looks useful as does their No.11. The scots were very poor defensively and let in some soft tries.

More confident now of us getting a win on Friday

escrter · 11-02-2015 3:48pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

Any word on Brewer? He finished last years WC as first choice 12 and now isn't even in the 23?

Well he has been injured for most of the season and only recently returned in the last few weeks.

Also did he really finish as 1st choice? During the JWC it was very much Goggin and Ringrose until Goggin got injured in the England game.

Hagz · 11-02-2015 3:50pm

He wasn't really first choice last season. Peter Robb missed the JWC through injury. But still, you would think the experience of a) playing the JWC and b) playing in combo with Ringrose and Byrne would raise his stock.

But the competition is fierce this season. Arnold is a very talented you player and Cleary has always been rated.

Hagz · 12-02-2015 2:51pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSyYZZZuhzk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY5MSwWkZYM

dubal · 13-02-2015 8:08am

Looking forward to see ringrose start at 13.

Dubal

RobbieRuns · 13-02-2015 3:10pm

looking forward to the game tonight. First real test for them, but we beat France at U19 and this is a good team, I'm expecting a win.

bilston · 13-02-2015 7:03pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Team named

15 – Billy Dardis (UCD/ Leinster)
14 – Jack Owens (QUB/ Ulster)
13 – Garry Ringrose (UCD/ Leinster)
12 – Sam Arnold (Ballynahinch/Ulster)
11 – Steven Fitzgerald (Shannon/ Munster)
10 – Ross Byrne (UCD / Leinster)
9 – Nick McCarthy (UCD/ Leinster) (Capt)
1 – Jeremy Loughman (UCD / Leinster)
2 – Zack McCall (QUB/Ulster)
3 – Oisin Heffernan (Terenure/Leinster)
4 – David O’Connor (St. Mary’s/Leinster)
5 – Alex Thompson (QUB/Ulster)
6 – Josh Murphy (UCD/Leinster)
7 – Rory Moloney (Buccaneers/Connacht)
8 – Lorcan Dow (QUB/Ulster)
Replacements
16 – Adam McBurney (Ballymena/Ulster)
17 – Michael Lagan (Ballymena/Ulster)
18 – Conan O’Donnell (Sligo/NUIG/Connacht)
19 – Cian Romaine (Buccaneers/Connacht)
20 – Nick Timoney (St. Mary’s/Leinster)
21 – Jack Cullen (Shannon/Munster)
22 – Joey Carbery (UCD/Leinster)
23 – Fergal Cleary (Lansdowne / Leinster)

Just noticed that 10 of the starting line up come from just two clubs (or Universities in this case). I'm not sure what that tells us, but thought it was worth pointing out.