Ireland U20 2015 6 nations and junior world cup

Hagz

Ireland getting pummelled in the scrum again.

captbarnacles

Driven off our own ball? jesus

kingofthekong

Interesting to see when porter comes on if the scrum changes , Lagan is not a good scrummager he struggled when he came on against England

thegoat310

kingofthekong wrote: »

Interesting to see when porter comes on if the scrum changes , Lagan is not a good scrummager he struggled when he came on against England

Porters out

Bridge93

Brilliant try for Fitzgerald again.
Dardis Ireland's best player so far

Best backs we've probably ever had combined with close to the weakest pack as a collective

kingofthekong

Lagan gets a turnover good way to reply

Melodeon

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Game is on BBC red button.

Which BBC channel is this?

Nothing on the red button on the BBC channels on my Sky box, that I can find anyway

LEIN

What's the score?

Hagz

thegoat310 wrote: »

Porters out

He's on the bench apparently.

LEIN wrote: »

What's the score?

12-10 to Scotland at half-time. Scotland got two tries from the maul and Ireland scored through Stephen Fitzgerald after some good work from Gaffney and Dardis.

Bridge93

LEIN wrote: »

What's the score?

12-10 Scotland at ht

Utopia Parkway

U-20's currently due to finish 2nd bottom unless they turn around the Scotland game.

Hagz

Referee just missed the most obvious offside I've ever seen in the England v France game. Should have been a yellow card.

Bridge93

I know we look like coming second last but the 20s 6N has been brilliantly competitive this year. All the teams beating each other and Italy pushing Wales too.

Hagz

Oh wow. That is criminal. Not only did he miss the offside tackle in real time, he then went upstairs after the French try and missed it on numerous occasions in slow mo. That's unacceptable.

kingofthekong

Sounds like Ireland's back line is bailing out their pack at the moment

Bridge93

Very dubious knock on there for France. Ref has to at least check it. Getting nothing france

Stainalert

Hagz wrote: »

Oh wow. That is criminal. Not only did he miss the offside tackle in real time, he then went upstairs after the French try and missed it on numerous occasions in slow mo. That's unacceptable.

What channel are you watching it on?

Hagz

Sounds like our backs are throwing everything at them.

Hagz

Stainalert wrote: »

What channel are you watching it on?

I'm talking about the Fra v Eng game on Sky Sports 5.

funtime93

Ireland score?? How long left??

Bridge93

Sam Arnold knocks on on the tryline.

Hagz

funtime93 wrote: »

Ireland score?? How long left??

Still 12-10. Lots of time left. About 30 mins. Ireland putting serious pressure on through the backs. Sam Arnold knocks on close to the line.

funtime93

Bridge93 wrote: »

Sam Arnold knocks on on the tryline.

How are you watching it??

Hagz

funtime93 wrote: »

How are you watching it??

@rugby_ie

Bridge93

funtime93 wrote: »

How are you watching it??

Bbc red button. I'm in Scotland though, I don't know if its available in Ireland

Hagz

Bridge93 wrote: »

Bbc red button. I'm in Scotland though, I don't know if its available in Ireland

You're actually watching it?

How are we looking?

captbarnacles

still 12-10 scot?

The Lost Sheep

captbarnacles wrote: »

still 12-10 scot?

Yep.

Hagz

This is so infuriating. It sounds like the Irish backs are running riot and we can't see any of it.

captbarnacles

Try scotland

Hagz

So Ireland finish 5th.

Scotland are in our pool for the WC so a big confidence boost for them. Our set-piece needs to improve big time.

captbarnacles

over?

Hagz

captbarnacles wrote: »

over?

Yep. 17-10 to Scotland.

kingofthekong

At under 18 level that Ireland team beat the scots 40-0 shocking regression in just 2 years , the players sound like they've never been taught how to defend a maul , very badly coached

bradders90

Hagz wrote: »

So Ireland finish 5th.

Scotland are in our pool for the WC so a big confidence boost for them. Our set-piece needs to improve big time.

The whole forward pack needs some serious coaching, if not that a complete overhaul in personnel - which we don't have the depth to do. I can handle a lot of the backs mistakes because they are creating opportunites it just hasn't clicked correct yet, something i think will. But the forwards have been dominated in the England,Wales,Scotland games and partially the French game.

typhoony

the good news is that they have nearly 3 months to fix problems that can be fixed with the right coaching

kingofthekong

Forwards this year are a bit of a pisstake

The Lost Sheep

kingofthekong wrote: »

At under 18 level that Ireland team beat the scots 40-0 shocking regression in just 2 years, the players sound like they've never been taught how to defend a maul, very badly coached

Yes the schools side beat Scotland well 2 years ago but 2 years is huge in age grade development. It ultimately isn't that shocking..
I don't think we can just simply say the side has been badly coached. We always knew the forwards were the weak link as such this year and from sounds of it we were well beaten up up front again tonight like some of the previous games...
18s is completely different ball game to 20s.

Stainalert

Very disappointing outcome given the amount of players back from a successful world cup last Summer. This team looks like it has got worse the more time they have spent together

The Lost Sheep

kingofthekong wrote: »

Forwards this year are a bit of a pisstake

What you mean by "piss take" and what would you like seen done to help forwards in relation to World Cup?

RobbieRuns

Two years ago it was hailed as the best schools team ever, they were going to win the FIRA easy as I recall. I don't remember anyone saying the forwards were rubbish then.

kingofthekong

Shambles , joke , wanna buy a dictionary ? , get some steroids pumped into the boys , that'll sort em haha

ArmchairQB

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

What you mean by "piss take" and what would you like seen done to help forwards in relation to World Cup?

I believe one of the criticisms of Ruddock by the IRFU was that he needed to employ a scrum coach and not do it himself and that the new set up would use a better system for scrum coaching. Well that worked out well! Team gone backwards since summer hopefully a big improvement by time RWC rolls around

The Lost Sheep

RobbieRuns wrote: »

Two years ago it was hailed as the best schools team ever, they were going to win the FIRA easy as I recall. I don't remember anyone saying the forwards were rubbish then.

And Robbie you have enough experience of age grade rugby to know 18s(schools or clubs) to 20s is a whole different ball game in every way...

kingofthekong wrote: »

Shambles , joke , wanna buy a dictionary ? , get some steroids pumped into the boys , that'll sort em haha

Shambles. No it isn't and the implying about drugs is not needed....

ArmchairQB wrote: »

I believe one of the criticisms of Ruddock by the IRFU was that he needed to employ a scrum coach and not do it himself and that the new set up would use a better system for scrum coaching. Well that worked out well! Team gone backwards since summer hopefully a big improvement by time RWC rolls around

This isn't the same team as last summer. How can a team that didn't play last summer have gone backwards

We generally always have improved from 6Ns to World Championships. Hopefully this year will be the same

Hagz

kingofthekong wrote: »

At under 18 level that Ireland team beat the scots 40-0 shocking regression in just 2 years , the players sound like they've never been taught how to defend a maul , very badly coached

There have been 14 changes in the Irish 23 from that game, and 17 changes in the Scottish 23. So it's basically two different sides, especially in the case of Scotland.

Stainalert

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

And Robbie you have enough experience of age grade rugby to know 18s(schools or clubs) to 20s is a whole different ball game in every way...

Shambles. No it isn't and the implying about drugs is not needed....
This isn't the same team as last summer. How can a team that didn't play last summer have gone backwards

We generally always have improved from 6Ns to World Championships. Hopefully this year will be the same

All fair points Lost Sheep but you to admit it has been a pretty disappointing six nations

The Lost Sheep

Stainalert wrote: »

All fair points Lost Sheep but you to admit it has been a pretty disappointing six nations

Disappointing yes but perhaps expectations were a bit too high based on last summer. Hopefully we'll see big improvement for the summer.

kingofthekong

You need to relax , its a joke you might need a dictionary for that word too

Obri1

bradders90 wrote: »

The whole forward pack needs some serious coaching, if not that a complete overhaul in personnel - which we don't have the depth to do. I can handle a lot of the backs mistakes because they are creating opportunites it just hasn't clicked correct yet, something i think will. But the forwards have been dominated in the England,Wales,Scotland games and partially the French game.

Well there are other players around Frank Bradshaw Ryan at 6,9 second row from Munster, JP Phelan 6,2 115kg tight head from UCD/Leinster, Eric O'sulliven 6,1 112 kg loose from Dublin university/ Leinster, Greg Jones big back row from UCD/Leinster, Charlie rock scrum half from belvedere (McCarty has been poor in my opinion) all have been playing excellently for there clubs and are up to the age which does make a big difference in the pack at this age, Mcveigh Buccaneers/Connacht to start so in fairness there are loads of other options out there to look at, it is really disappointing to see them finish 5th I thought they would do a lot better than that.

kingofthekong

I havent seen the game but from the sounds of it the backs were quite good , can a member who watched the game on the red button tell me if any of the forwards were good tonite?