Schools Cup 2014/2015 *mod warning post 1*

The Lost Sheep

Irish under 18 schools play Scotland this weekend
Team named though haven't seen it yet. Bill Johnson, Rockwell, is captain and starts at 10...

kingofthekong

Is Tynan u18 or 19? , thought he was very impressive

kingofthekong

It's not about having even numbers from all provinces , it's about picking the best players the selectors do far more analysis on these guys than you or I , it woul be worse if they picked guys in connacht or Munster just because of where they play over better players in other provinces

OceanSixteen

Roscrea and Belvedere both had 4/5 players called up to the squad most of which are reserves for the squad, Sweeney & De Jongh called up from Belvedere the squad while Egan,Jennings & O'Sullivan (4th year) on the reserves

stellenbosch

albacrypts wrote: »

Absolute joke of a panel St Michaels and St Andrews have same number as Ulster, Munster and Connaught combined. Only 1 from Roscrea Leinster school champions. I bet that it has never happened in the past that SCT in Leinster provides only 1 player to U18 squad. Also no Belvo player 2nd best team.
Selectors must base selection on hype they read on boards.ie

St Michaels 6
St Andrews 4
CWC 4
Rock 2
Roscrea 1
Ulster 3
Munster 4
Connacht 3

What 4 Andrews players ? Last year yes but no way this year !!

kingofthekong

Johnny guy , one of their centres , Larmour and not sure who the fourth is

casino1996

albacrypts wrote: »

Absolute joke of a panel St Michaels and St Andrews have same number as Ulster, Munster and Connaught combined. Only 1 from Roscrea Leinster school champions. I bet that it has never happened in the past that SCT in Leinster provides only 1 player to U18 squad. Also no Belvo player 2nd best team.
Selectors must base selection on hype they read on boards.ie

St Michaels 6
St Andrews 4
CWC 4
Rock 2
Roscrea 1
Ulster 3
Munster 4
Connacht 3

Dont believe that list. If you have the team reps you have the names so please by all means list them.
If thats true Munster have lost a lot of players since the christmas game, CWC didn't even have a leinster rep at u18 level this year.

casino1996

OceanSixteen wrote: »

Roscrea and Belvedere both had 4/5 players called up to the squad most of which are reserves for the squad, Sweeney & De Jongh called up from Belvedere the squad while Egan,Jennings & O'Sullivan (4th year) on the reserves

do you have the full list?

kingofthekong

Looks like he mixed clongowes up with belvo

RedemptionZ

Not sure on the legitimacy of the list but even so very unfair criticism of the Andrews players. Rarely if ever get representatives so to claim bias purely because the school is in Leinster is ludicrous.

The reality is there's a lot more rugby schools in Leinster than everywhere else. Odds are they'll have more representatives. Not always this disproportionate but it's not out of the question for it to happen.

feargale

albacrypts wrote: »

Well what do you have to say now. I thought they would win by more

Lobby Con Shine wrote: »

You seem to be labouring under the illusion that you have been proved right.

Roscrea were never going to beat Belvo by 20 points as you suggested. Therefore, my friend, I have been proven right and you have been proven wrong.

Sweet Jesus, must sports threads always get reduced to this?

casino1996

Guy and Larmour were in the team as under-17's so them being involved shouldnt be a surprise.

John Foley, from Munster is for sure in the squad, along with Guy.

Hagz

A bunch of headshot went up on INPHO back in December. Not sure if it has any relevance.

http://inpho.ie/assignment/Ireland-U18-Schools-Headshots-291214/8TnYioJd-8UWZJan675uvw..a?ts=05_droqo3wgWYWxNc-odjg..a

casino1996

you'd assume the majority of the squad is there, usually not many changes from christmas but the rumoured one would have a great deal of changes.

albacrypts

Apologies to all re my rant on Irish U18 Team. The team selection news report I based rant on was last years squad.

typhoony

I assume some of the Roscrea players are over 18?

Inspector Coptoor

U-18 school squad is coached by Noel McNamara assisted by Adrian Flavin and Paul McCarthy.

Ireland Under-18 Schools Squad (v Scotland Under-18. Mayfield, Dundee. Kick-off 11.00hrs on Saturday 21st March.

Rory Butler (Campbell College Belfast)
Tim Carroll (Cistercian College Roscrea)
Alexander Clarke (Ballymena Academy)
Peter Cooper (Sullivan Upper School)
Tom De Jongh (Belvedere College)
Conor Dean (Blackrock College)
Oisin Dowling (St. Michael's College)
John Foley (St Munchins College Limerick)
Tim Foley (Cistercian College Roscrea)
Cillian Gallagher (Summerhill College Sligo)
Johnny Guy (St. Andrew's College)
Colm Hogan (Glenstal Abbey)
Bill Johnston (Rockwell College)
Daniel Kealey (Campbell College Belfast)
Peter Kelleher (Christian Brothers Cork)
Jack Kelly (St. Michael's College)
Jack Lyons (Crescent College Limerick)
Robert Lyttle (Methodist College Belfast)
Conor Mc Evoy (Sullivan Upper School)
Jonathan Mc Keown (Ballymena Academy)
Dylan Murphy (Cistercian College Roscrea)
Calvin Nash (Crescent College Limerick)
Jack O'Sullivan Jnr (Presentation Br Cork)
Jonathon Stewart (Wallace High School)
Michael Sweeney (Belvedere College)
Caelan Sweetman- Doris (Blackrock College)

link http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/34155.php#.VQq5QY6sXkY

Bridge93

Very balanced squad across the provinces. Good to see.

kingofthekong

Which would be the players to look out for from that group ? And will they have the size in the pack to compete this year?

MBD1990

kingofthekong wrote: »

Which would be the players to look out for from that group ? And will they have the size in the pack to compete this year?

Roscrea's Tim Foley was extremely impressive throughout their campaign, as was Mike Sweeney for Belvedere. Jonny Guy is also a fantastic player. Don't really know enough about the players outside of Leinster to comment.

joscol

Lyttle and Stewart probably the stand out players from Ulster of what i've seen so far.

firstshorn

From the interpros I recall that the Jack O sullivan from Pres Cork is only in 4th year

OceanSixteen

Irish Independent are choosing a Team of the tournament. Who would you put in it?

MBD1990

firstshorn wrote: »

From the interpros I recall that the Jack O sullivan from Pres Cork is only in 4th year

Position?

its_phil

OceanSixteen wrote: »

Irish Independent are choosing a Team of the tournament. Who would you put in it?

Trayers, Carroll Belvo 10 and Newbridge centers spring to mind

The Lost Sheep

Bridge93 wrote: »

Very balanced squad across the provinces. Good to see.

3 of the provinces anyway... thought Luke Carty might have got a luck in for this side from Connacht but he's in the youths squad

kingofthekong wrote: »

Which would be the players to look out for from that group ? And will they have the size in the pack to compete this year?

Carroll, Foley, Johnson, Nash, Lyttle, Guy

firstshorn wrote: »

From the interpros I recall that the Jack O sullivan from Pres Cork is only in 4th year

So an under 17 then. Good going making it as an under 17...

Hagz

OceanSixteen wrote: »

Irish Independent are choosing a Team of the tournament. Who would you put in it?

1.
2.
3.
4.
5. Brian Larkin
6. Will Connors
7. Max Kearney
8. Dan Trayers
9. Hugh O'Sullivan
10. Conor Jennings
11.
12. Jimmy O'Brien
13. Jake Howlett
14.
15. Tim Carroll

Ferris_Bueller

Sorry for what is probably a stupid question lads, don't really follow rugby, but what schools are allowed compete in the Junior/Senior cup teams? If the school I went to (which doesn't even have a rugby team) was to set up a rugby team and eventually built up a successful team would they be allowed to enter or would they have to work their way up or what way would it work?

The Lost Sheep

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Sorry for what is probably a stupid question lads, don't really follow rugby, but what schools are allowed compete in the Junior/Senior cup teams? If the school I went to (which doesn't even have a rugby team) was to set up a rugby team and eventually built up a successful team would they be allowed to enter or would they have to work their way up or what way would it work?

Firstly what province are you referring to.
Any school is allowed to compete at Junior(Under 16) and Senior(Under 19)
level.
If your school entered a team they would start at the lowest tier which is in Munster the Associate schools level, in Leinster Development schools, In Ulster ???? and Connacht development schools. They would enter competitions against other schools at that tier and would if good enough move up the tiers.
In Leinster schools move from Section A to B to C with the best schools regarded as having B/C gradings.
In Munster all schools start as Associate Schools and work up from C to B to A, which is the best ranking

Ferris_Bueller

Sorry Leinster is the province I was referring to but good to get information on the others as well, I remember a guy I knew who played for the local rugby team in town was considering moving to another school, however if he wished to play rugby for them he said he would have to quit his club team. Would this be common practice at the B/C grading schools? Presumably this is because the schools at this level are probably training as often as a club team so commitment to one or the other is required. I'm just trying to get a bit of an understanding on grassroots rugby, have found this thread interesting.

FrannoFan

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Sorry Leinster is the province I was referring to but good to get information on the others as well, I remember a guy I knew who played for the local rugby team in town was considering moving to another school, however if he wished to play rugby for them he said he would have to quit his club team. Would this be common practice at the B/C grading schools? Presumably this is because the schools at this level are probably training as often as a club team so commitment to one or the other is required. I'm just trying to get a bit of an understanding on grassroots rugby, have found this thread interesting.

If you are in a cup squad you can not play clubs. (so 1st/2nd years can play club and school) if in 3rd year you are in the cup squad you do not play club.(but if you were on a team other than that you can continue to play both) same at senior level. if in TY/5th/6th year and not in cup squad you are free to play Club rugby.

albacrypts

Check out the photo

http://www.the42.ie/roscrea-leinster-schools-2002711-Mar2015/

Lobby Con Shine

I see only six of the Roscrea team were sixth years.

The Lost Sheep

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Sorry Leinster is the province I was referring to but good to get information on the others as well, I remember a guy I knew who played for the local rugby team in town was considering moving to another school, however if he wished to play rugby for them he said he would have to quit his club team. Would this be common practice at the B/C grading schools? Presumably this is because the schools at this level are probably training as often as a club team so commitment to one or the other is required. I'm just trying to get a bit of an understanding on grassroots rugby, have found this thread interesting.

If you attend one of the primary rugby schools depending on what level you play in the school you cannot play in youths rugby(clubs) competitions. Schools teams at the top level train much more than clubs in the main

FrannoFan wrote: »

If you are in a cup squad you can not play clubs. (so 1st/2nd years can play club and school) if in 3rd year you are in the cup squad you do not play club.(but if you were on a team other than that you can continue to play both) same at senior level. if in TY/5th/6th year and not in cup squad you are free to play Club rugby.

But in some areas, mainly Dublin, most clubs do not compete in underage competition as a lot of the players they would use in such competitions are playing schools rugby

rugby2345

Hagz wrote: »

1.
2.
3.
4.
5. Brian Larkin
6. Will Connors
7. Max Kearney
8. Dan Trayers
9. Hugh O'Sullivan
10. Conor Jennings
11.
12. Jimmy O'Brien
13. Jake Howlett
14.
15. Tim Carroll

Would have Fineen Wycherley as other lock
Maybe Lappin from clongowes and McKeown from Belvo on the wings even though he played centre for most of cup
Not sure about props but hooker Molony from Clongowes

firstshorn

MBD1990 wrote: »

Position?

He can play anywhere in the backrow I believe. Played blindside in the interpros, but plays 8 with his school

DV3

1.Mike Sweeney
2.John Molony
3.
4.
5.Brian Larkin
6.Tom De Jongh (Played 8 but too good to be left out in my opinion)
7.Will Connors
8.Daniel Travers
9.Hugh O'Sullivan
10.Conor Jennings
11.James Lappin
12.Jimmy O'Brien
13.Tom Foley (Same case as De Jongh)
14.Sean Long
15.Tim Carroll

DV3

1.Mike Sweeney
2.John Molony
3.Dylan Murphy
4.Conor McCaffrey
5.Brian Larkin
6.Tom De Jongh (Played 8 but too good to be left out in my opinion)
7.Will Connors
8.Daniel Trayers
9.Hugh O'Sullivan
10.Conor Jennings
11.James Lappin
12.Jimmy O'Brien
13.Tim Foley (Same case as De Jongh)
14.Sean Long
15.Tom Carroll

rughug

albacrypts wrote: »

Check out the photo

http://www.the42.ie/roscrea-leinster-schools-2002711-Mar2015/

Is it just me , or do many genuine schools rugby supporters find that what Gavin Scummiskey writes in his match reports is the greatest load of ****e that was ever written.He ought to be writing about soccer in one of the tabloids .I do hope that he enjoyed watching the munster and connacht lads storming the RDS on tuesday last. His hero- worship of Madigan, Fitzgerald, Timoney etc would make you want to vomit. He openly criticises 17 and 18 yr old young fellas who have spent countless hours in pursuit of success for their schools.Obviously he never made the grade during his time in Williamstown. .Contrast his bitter twisted style of reporting with that of T.Ward who always comes across with notes of praise for these kids . Our Gav has
obviously got a plank on his shoulder.

rughug

albacrypts wrote: »

Check out the photo

http://www.the42.ie/roscrea-leinster-schools-2002711-Mar2015/

Is it just me , or do many genuine schools rugby supporters find that what Gavin Scummiskey writes in his match reports is the greatest load of ****e that was ever written.He ought to be writing about soccer in one of the tabloids .I do hope that he enjoyed watching the munster and connacht lads storming the RDS on tuesday last. His hero- worship of Madigan, Fitzgerald, Timoney etc would make you want to vomit. He openly criticises 17 and 18 yr old young fellas who have spent countless hours in pursuit of success for their schools.Obviously he never made the grade during his time in Williamstown. .Contrast his bitter twisted style of reporting with that of T.Ward who always comes across with notes of praise for these kids . Our Gav has
obviously got a plank on his shoulder.

Hagz

Am I missing something? I don't think that piece was written by Gavin Cummiskey.

rughug

Hagz wrote: »

Am I missing something? I don't think that piece was written by Gavin Cummiskey.

Im not referring to that particular piece. I am referring to his cynical and negative analysis over the years. I clearly remember where he referred to an alleged eye gouging incident involving a prominent Clongowes player about 5 years ago. Totally provocative trite. In his preview of this years SC final, he refers to the " potential weakness of the Roscrea kicker who had a four from 12 record. Lazy , lazy journalism as practically all of these kicks were from the left touchline for a left legged kicker. Reading this sort of rubbish journalism as a schools player is not helpful . The player in question actually went on to nail 2 crucial second half kicks . My point is , that when Cummiskey is writing about schools players he ought to remember that they are kids trying their best.

fox_1973

Setanta are showing the 'nure v 'rock junior cup final live from 4 on Sunday

OceanSixteen

Scotland U18s beat Ireland U18s 21-13

MBD1990

OceanSixteen wrote: »

Scotland U18s beat Ireland U18s 21-13

Is there footage of the game anywhere? What was the starting team?

OceanSixteen

MBD1990 wrote: »

Is there footage of the game anywhere? What was the starting team?

Ireland Schools U18s
15. Robert Lyttle
14. Calvin Nash
13. Rory Butler
12. Tim Foley
11. Tim Carroll
10. Bill Johnston (C)
9. Peter Kelleher

1. Conor McEvoy
2. Peter Cooper
3. Cillian Gallagher
4. Oisin Dowling
5. Caelan Dorris
6. Jonny Guy
7. John Foley
8. Jonathan Stewart.

Replacements: Donald Kealey, Alexander Clarke, Dylon Murphy, Tom de Jongh, Jack O’Sullivan, Jonny McKeown, Jack Lyons, Conor Dean, Jack Kelly, Colm Hogan.

RobbieRuns

That's a poor result.

rughug

RobbieRuns wrote: »

That's a poor result.

Hey ding dong you ought to remember that 4 or 5 of these lads played in hugely important games, in fact games that are of much more significance than a mickey mouse warm up game in Dundee. . And many of these boys are doing their Leaving Cert chasing 500+ points. Many of them are at boarding school where they havent been home for a month or more. They led 10-3 at htime and understandably got tired and disjointed in the second half when many switches were made. So before you give your silly throwaway remarks just give it a little thought. These guys are 17-18 year old kids giving of their best in trying circumstances.

rughug

RobbieRuns wrote: »

That's a poor result.

Hey ding dong you ought to remember that 4 or 5 of these lads played in hugely important games, in fact games that are of much more significance than a mickey mouse warm up game in Dundee. . And many of these boys are doing their Leaving Cert chasing 500+ points. Many of them are at boarding school where they havent been home for a month or more. They led 10-3 at htime and understandably got tired and disjointed in the second half when many switches were made. So before you give your silly throwaway remarks just give it a little thought. These guys are 17-18 year old kids giving of their best in trying circumstances.

The Lost Sheep

OceanSixteen wrote: »

Scotland U18s beat Ireland U18 schools 21-13

Surprised at that. Poor ish result

rughug wrote: »

Hey ding dong you ought to remember that 4 or 5 of these lads played in hugely important games, in fact games that are of much more significance than a mickey mouse warm up game in Dundee. . And many of these boys are doing their Leaving Cert chasing 500+ points. Many of them are at boarding school where they havent been home for a month or more. They led 10-3 at htime and understandably got tired and disjointed in the second half when many switches were made. So before you give your silly throwaway remarks just give it a little thought. These guys are 17-18 year old kids giving of their best in trying circumstances.

Small bit OTT rughug...
Why not send a mixed team of clubs and schools players to play FIRA then... Its a fair enough point to say its a poor result. As for the boarding school comment....