Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

MagicIRL

Vermaelen will be a great CB for United. I'm quite shocked that people don't rate him at all.

beakerjoe

GSPfan wrote: »

Woohoo. Vermaelen deal is off according to Sky because United were offering a swap deal.

Delighted if true.

Why, we will probably panic buy someone worse.

greendom

GSPfan wrote: »

Woohoo. Vermaelen deal is off according to Sky because United were offering a swap deal.

Delighted if true.

I suppose it doesn't say who the swap deal was for ?

Cookiemunster

twam2008 wrote: »

£187k a week, and £47m. Seriously hope he can live up to these figures and doesn't get injured much. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/arturo-vidal-transfer-news-manchester-united-agree-182000aweek-deal-with-vidal-as-talks-set-to-increase-with-juventus--reports-9654532.html

Also £36m for Cuadrado http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/496781/Man-Utd-ready-to-wrap-up-36million-move-for-Juan-Cuadrado

Why do we always seemed to get fleeced? I'd nearly prefer him to work with what we've got.

It's paper talk. The Independent is taking its story form La Stampa and the express is an unreliable rag. We haven't been fleeced as we haven't actually paid this money.

duffman13

beakerjoe wrote: »

Theres not one sign of realistic evidence that we are going to make a signing before next weekend.

There is not one sign of realistic evidence that we aren't going to make a signing before next weekend

twam2008

Cookiemunster wrote: »

It's paper talk. The Independent is taking it's story form La Stampa and the express is an unreliable rag. We haven't been fleeced as we haven't actually paid this money.

Given what we paid for Failaini, Herrera and Shaw, I'd say there's a good chance. Don't really understand Woodies declarations of we have loads of money to spend, hasn't really done us any favours.

beakerjoe

duffman13 wrote: »

There is not one sign of realistic evidence that we aren't going to make a signing before next weekend

Well we can make a friendly wager like Wildman and Adox..... :pac:

TheTownie

GSPfan wrote: »

Woohoo. Vermaelen deal is off according to Sky because United were offering a swap deal.

Delighted if true.

Sounds like from the tweet it was Arsenal who wanted to do a swap and Utd refused.

Sky Sources: Man Utd end interest in Arsenal Thomas Vermaelen after refusing to consider swap deal #SSN

Adamocovic

MagicIRL wrote: »

Vermaelen will be a great CB for United. I'm quite shocked that people don't rate him at all.

I think he's a good player but I'd prefer Blind.

Vermaelen is nearly 29 and has quite a few injury concerns over the past 4 seasons. Might be a bit risky. He missed a lot of last season and even in the first game he had in the world cup didn't he get injured before half time?

I would just rather Blind because he seems like he is a solid player, obviously would be familiar with VG's method and at 24 can have a long career with us.

GSPfan

beakerjoe wrote: »

Why, we will probably panic buy someone worse.

He will be injured all the time. We seriously don't need another player with a habit of missing games.

GSPfan

greendom wrote: »

I suppose it doesn't say who the swap deal was for ?

No.

Samoa Joe

greendom wrote: »

I suppose it doesn't say who the swap deal was for ?

Smalling apparently

duffman13

beakerjoe wrote: »

Well we can make a friendly wager like Wildman and Adox..... :pac:

Ok so if we don't sign anyone before next Friday I'll take a week off, not that confident I could last a month

Cookiemunster

twam2008 wrote: »

Given what we paid for Failaini, Herrera and Shaw, I'd say there's a good chance. Don't really understand Woodies declarations of we have loads of money to spend, hasn't really done us any favours.

I wasn't talking about the amount of money, I was saying that the stories are rubbish. Don't believe anything until the club announce it.

DrPhilG

Ciaran_Corbett wrote: »

Smalling apparently

Wouldn't be interested in that swap.

Also heard Nani was being offered, not surprised if they turned that down.

twam2008

Cookiemunster wrote: »

I wasn't talking about the amount of money, I was saying that the stories are rubbish. Don't believe anything until the club announce it.

This thread would be non existent if we all had to wait until signings were official before talking about them.

beakerjoe

duffman13 wrote: »

Ok so if we don't sign anyone before next Friday I'll take a week off, not that confident I could last a month

5...Pounds Ted? .. how about ....10 pounds!



If we dont sign anyone by next Friday take til the end of the trandfer window off..... same applies to me if we do sign someone by next friday....

Ya got the stones?....:cool:

bucketybuck

duffman13 wrote: »

There is not one sign of realistic evidence that we aren't going to make a signing before next weekend

Are you saying somebody should prove a negative? Because that would be some feat...

MagicIRL

Adamocovic wrote: »

I think he's a good player but I'd prefer Blind.

Vermaelen is nearly 29 and has quite a few injury concerns over the past 4 seasons. Might be a bit risky. He missed a lot of last season and even in the first game he had in the world cup didn't he get injured before half time?

I would just rather Blind because he seems like he is a solid player, obviously would be familiar with VG's method and at 24 can have a long career with us.

Have you seen his injury record? He missed an entire season because of an Achilles injury, which then required surgery so he missed part of the following season.

He's picked up knocks and niggles like any player. If I'm right, I think he's always played 30 games a season for Arsenal.

homerjay2005

MagicIRL wrote: »

I really don't understand you homer. You seem a smart guy, but if you're not believing the papers one day, the next time you're taking them as gospel.

Just because it's come out in the papers now doesn't mean United have only recently acted.

????? It was Wenger who said yesterday we had bid.

And as ive said many times, what i believe in the "papers" is based on who is writing it, i disregard 90% of whats written in the sun, mirror or any other rag like that.

Coat22

DrPhilG wrote: »

Wouldn't be interested in that swap.

Also heard Nani was being offered, not surprised if they turned that down.

I reckon they wanted Smalling. Worrying that United refused – that translates to me as “We need to hold onto him because we’d be short of CB options without him and have nothing else in the pipeline”

Lord TSC

Swapping Smalling for Verm would be fixing one problem by creating another. Would leave us in the same position we started off in, so if that's what arsenal want, I am glad it's not going ahead...

Will I Amnt

twam2008 wrote: »

£187k a week, and £47m. Seriously hope he can live up to these figures and doesn't get injured much. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/arturo-vidal-transfer-news-manchester-united-agree-182000aweek-deal-with-vidal-as-talks-set-to-increase-with-juventus--reports-9654532.html

Also £36m for Cuadrado http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/496781/Man-Utd-ready-to-wrap-up-36million-move-for-Juan-Cuadrado

Why do we always seemed to get fleeced? I'd nearly prefer him to work with what we've got.

You say that like those articles mean something...

dahat

Coat22 wrote: »

I reckon they wanted Smalling. Worrying that United refused – that translates to me as “We need to hold onto him because we’d be short of CB options without him and have nothing else in the pipeline”

Which also means we will now pay way over the odds for 3rd choice CB target, Benatia at €25m or the like.

TheDoc

Blind makes most sense. Mostly plays CM but can operate in the LWB role and CB if required.

Barcelona are supposedly confident of getting Vermaelan which is good knees to me. Most obscure target in a long time. Absolute collapse in form and fitness and at 28 provides no hope of recovering IMO. I'd question Van Gaal making that signing big time. Hopefully we miss out.

Vidal feels more like I originally thought...a player/agent move to get a big money move...but preferably stay put and get a contract bump. Id be shocked at this point if he signs...and more expect him to sign a bumped Juventus deal.

twam2008

Will I Amnt wrote: »

You say that like those articles mean something...

Should Gossip, Rumours be taken out of the title if we are not supposed to speculate on them?

Cookiemunster

twam2008 wrote: »

This thread would be non existent if we all had to wait until signings were official before talking about them.

It's pretty easy to weed out the obvious BS stories like these ones.

twam2008

Cookiemunster wrote: »

It's pretty easy to weed out the obvious BS stories like these ones.

Matter of opinion, I would have thought the two players I've mentioned were as likely as anyone else to be signed.

advertsfox

Who was the potential swap deal for?

Sky Sports News wrote:

Sky Sources: Man Utd end interest in Arsenal Thomas Vermaelen after refusing to consider swap deal #SSN

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/497671469196124160

kstand

advertsfox wrote: »

Who was the potential swap deal for?



https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/497671469196124160

Chris Smalling.

MagicIRL

United will throw more money at Arsenal and that'll be that I reckon.

DM_7

Lord TSC wrote: »

Swapping Smalling for Verm would be fixing one problem by creating another. Would leave us in the same position we started off in, so if that's what arsenal want, I am glad it's not going ahead...

It would just be stupid :P

Coat22

dahat wrote: »

Which also means we will now pay way over the odds for 3rd choice CB target, Benatia at €25m or the like.

Spot on.

I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they are after more than one defender. LVG is on record as saying we need “defenders” so I presume they are after 2+ (most likely 2). Vermaelen for me would have been a handy one to pick up – available, used to the PL, covers LB and a bloody good centre back (IMO better than what we have). They could then pursue whoever else they are after without the panic.

If they’ve pulled out of this they still need 2 players and will certainly pay over the odds to get them and they won’t necessarily be what they need.

duffman13

beakerjoe wrote: »

5...Pounds Ted? .. how about ....10 pounds!



If we dont sign anyone by next Friday take til the end of the trandfer window off..... same applies to me if we do sign someone by next friday....

Ya got the stones?....:cool:

Right ten pounds I'm in

kryogen

Coat22 wrote: »

I reckon they wanted Smalling. Worrying that United refused – that translates to me as “We need to hold onto him because we’d be short of CB options without him and have nothing else in the pipeline”

Would translate to me as United saying to Arsenal, how stupid do you think we are!?!

Whats the point in swapping one defender for another when we need to add bodies to that area? It doesnt put us in any better shape numbers wise never mind getting into ability, potential, injury concern or age

homerjay2005

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advertsfox

kstand wrote: »

Chris Smalling.

I would have had that swap deal me.

dahat

Vermalen deal falling through ties in with the Blind rumours or speculation starting again, he looks a good fit for 2/3 positions and at €17n or so he could be value compared to Vermalen.

SStill need another CB though, Benatia possibly.

Adamocovic

MagicIRL wrote: »

Have you seen his injury record? He missed an entire season because of an Achilles injury, which then required surgery so he missed part of the following season.

He's picked up knocks and niggles like any player. If I'm right, I think he's always played 30 games a season for Arsenal.

I take it your are talking about Vermaelens injury record? Yes. I have seen his record he had the achilles injury back in 2010 I think but then after he recovered from that didn't he have another injury concern in 2011, then didn't he have another injury scare in 2012, and last year also. And then again in the World Cup he picked up another knock.

I agree he is a good player but to buy him without having concerns about his injury record would be strange.

I don't know exact figures but I can say pretty confidently that he only played 11-15 matches in the league last season.

As I said I'm not doubting his ability but you can't deny he has had a lot of troubles with injuries. Who knows he could go injury free next season but he's getting close to 30 and it might be harder to see him make 25+ league appearances a year.

Al Capwned

Stretford End Flags ‏@SEF_MUFC 5m
We wont be rushing on making a new banner/ 2 banners for the start of the season. We need to ensure that we have quality designs. #mufc

Obviously a new system in place compared to last year......

homerjay2005

GSPfan wrote: »

Woohoo. Vermaelen deal is off according to Sky because United were offering a swap deal.

Delighted if true.

Still expect that deal to go through unfortunately. Youd hope that we have better options lined up but at this stage now it could be too late to get those other options in.

You could have asked 100 posters on here to list off 20 suitable players to improve us last May and id be pretty sure Vermaelen wouldnt have been on any of them. Yet another transfer target thats really under whelming and baffling.

Coat22

kryogen wrote: »

Would translate to me as United saying to Arsenal, how stupid do you think we are!?!

Whats the point in swapping one defender for another when we need to add bodies to that area? It doesnt put us in any better shape numbers wise never mind getting into ability, potential, injury concern or age

I’d say United would have looked at it if they had something else in the pipeline. They’re obviously keen not to let him go until they have replacements in. Smalling probably worth more also due to his age and the fact that he’s English.

This could still work out if United get Vermaelen and line up another quick smart. Arsenal obviously need to replace him and are keen on Smalling so would expect them to make a bid for him again.

Vermaelen for me is an ideal buy - if not the answer to our problems he’d certainly improve the current situation – I hope this doesn’t pass us by.

dahat

BBC have the fee at€15m for Vermalen, medical the weekend, signing for Barca not us.

duffman13

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Yet another transfer target thats really under whelming and baffling.

Who else is underwhelming and baffling? Yes Vermaelen is definitely not my first choice however if LVG is pushing the three CB system I think he will slot in fine from a talent point of view however it's the fitness concerns that get most people. Same could be said for most Arsenal players and RVP had a worse injury record.

MagicIRL

dahat wrote: »

BBC have the fee at€15m for Vermalen, medical the weekend.

David Ornstein
David Ornstein
BBC Sport
Football

Posted at 10:57

Arsenal agree a fee of around £15m with Spanish runners-up Barcelona for the sale of club captain Thomas Vermaelen.
The 28-year-old Belgium defender must now agree personal terms and pass a medical.

Vermaelen was a target for Manchester United, but the Old Trafford club ended their interest after refusing Arsenal's demand to receive a player as part of the deal.

The move is likely to be completed over the weekend.

Interesting. I wonder were United ever even in for him? I would've liked him at United. Would've brought some nice Premier League experience to the back line.

kstand

Not worried about Vermaelen - looked a good centre half 4 years ago, but too many injuries, not getting in the Arsenal side, not playing consistently well and 29 years of age, just didn't think it was going to be right for us.

beno619

Coat22 wrote: »

I reckon they wanted Smalling. Worrying that United refused – that translates to me as “We need to hold onto him because we’d be short of CB options without him and have nothing else in the pipeline”

You have a very funny way at looking at this.

beno619

Coat22 wrote: »

I reckon they wanted Smalling. Worrying that United refused – that translates to me as “We need to hold onto him because we’d be short of CB options without him and have nothing else in the pipeline”

You have a very funny way at looking at this.

Nalz

kstand wrote: »

Chris Smalling.

joke right?

edit: Ahh Arsenal wanted a swap sorry. Smalling or Jones I believe

Saucy McKetchup

I reckon they wanted Hernandez, Arsenal would be absolutely lethal with Hernandez up front