Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

beakerjoe

Dubliner28 wrote: »

Lads, what are the changes of Ashley Young starting? Good first goal bet?

Judging by our defense, Id say Bony will be a better shout

Soldie

I reckon we'll start line up like this against Swansea:

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de Gea

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Jones - Smalling - Blackett
Young

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James

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Fletcher - Herrera

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Mata

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Rooney - Welbeck

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Depending on fitness:

Evans <-> Blackett
Welbeck <-> Chicharito

Augmerson

advertsfox wrote: »

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How could they forget the Guinness International Champions Cup?!

Professional Griefer

Augmerson wrote: »

How could they forget the Guinness International Champions Cup?!

I don't think you ever will.

Rayne Wooney

Two weeks and at least 3 players needed, 2 of them would need to go into the starting 11 too. It's not looking rosy, clubs will try hold us to ransom over players now when we reach the desperate stage

It's pointless condemning anybody now, wait until the window is closed or if the first few results don't go our way

Even at that, Rojo and Blind being our only signings would not be good IMO, both are probably squad players and I don't think that would give us the quality to break back into the top 4

Bugatti

homerjay2005 wrote: »

jesus christ, you are like a bad smell. i happened to be offline for almost all of yesterday evening, i have other things to be doing besides replying to you, not sure why you your obsessing over this points either or it matters so much to you.

youve read the article, so have i. its quite obvious that (according to the article) LVG isnt happy with whats going on, growing frustrated or pissed off what ever way you want to word it.

why not drop the writer a tweet (he is very responsive and open for discussion) and discuss the content of it with him, as opposed to bugging me over it?

Yes it is obvious from the article that LVG is pissed off. Pissed off that he didn't get Vermalen because Wenger wouldn't sell him to an English club. And Vidal off because the Vidal saga is dragging on so long because Juventus, as the article states are proving difficult to deal with.

There are plenty of reasons for fans to be unhappy. For one I'm sure when Shaw was signed not one of us expected him to be (more than likely) the last new face brought in before the season opener. But it annoys me when people twist an article (and I don't just mean you Homer) to try and make out thing are worse behind the scenes at the club then they really are. It's what I'd expect from an ABU, not a Utd fan.

Coat22

Transfer policy at united has been broken for years but papered over by the momentum of Ferguson’s teams and the great get out clause of Chelsea’s & City’s money.

Since United won the Treble in 99 they have brought in 70 players in 15 years.

Here’s the list of those under Ferguson:


Mark Bosnich Aston Villa Free
Quinton Fortune Atletico Madrid £1,500,000
Massimo Taibi Venezia £4,900,000
Mikael Silvestre Internazionale £4,000,000
Fabien Barthez AS Monaco £7,800,000
Andy Goram Motherwell Loan
Ruud van Nistelrooy PSV Eindhoven £19,000,000
Juan Sebastián Verón Lazio £28,100,000
Roy Carroll Wigan Athletic £2,500,000
Laurent Blanc Internazionale Free
Mads Timm Odense Free
Diego Forlan Independiente £7,500,000
Luke Steele Peterborough United £500,000
Rio Ferdinand Leeds United £30,000,000
Ricardo Valladolid £1,500,000
Souleymane Mamam La Semeuse Lomé Unknown
David Bellion Sunderland £2,000,000
Eric Djemba-Djemba Nantes £3,500,000
Tim Howard New Jersey Metrostars £1,200,000
Cristiano Ronaldo Sporting Club £12,240,000
Kleberson Atletico PR £5,930,000
Giuseppe Rossi Parma Free
Liam Miller Celtic Free
Louis Saha Fulham £12,825,000
Alan Smith Leeds United £7,050,000
Gabriel Heinze Paris Saint-Germain £6,900,000
Gerard Pique Barcelona £5,000,000
Fangzou Dong Dalian Shide £3,500,000
Wayne Rooney Everton £25,600,000
Ji-Sung Park PSV Eindhoven £4,000,000
Edwin van der Sar Fulham £2,000,000
Ben Foster Stoke City £1,000,000
Nemanja Vidic Spartak Moscow £7,200,000
Patrice Evra AS Monaco £5,500,000
Michael Carrick Tottenham Hotspur £18,600,000
Henrik Larsson Helsingborgs Loan
Owen Hargreaves Bayern Munich £17,000,000
Tomasz Kuszczak West Bromwich Albion £4,000,000
Nani Sporting Club £17,300,000
Anderson FC Porto £20,400,000
Carlos Tévez Corinthians Loan
Federico Macheda Lazio Free
Manucho Petro Atlético Unknown
Rodrigo Possebon Internacional Unknown
Rafael da Silva Fluminense £2,600,000
Fabio da Silva Fluminense £2,600,000
Dimitar Berbatov Tottenham Hotspur £30,750,000
Zoran Tosic Partizan FK £7,000,000
Ritchie De Laet Stoke City Unknown
Antonio Valencia Wigan Athletic £16,000,000
Michael Owen Newcastle United Free
Gabriel Obertan Bordeaux £3,000,000
Mame Biram Diouf Molde FK £2,000,000
Chris Smalling Fulham £10,000,000
Javier Hernández Deportivo Guadalajara £6,000,000
Bebe Guimaraes £7,400,000
Anders Lindegaard Aalesunds FK £3,500,000
Phil Jones Blackburn Rovers £17,000,000
Ashley Young Aston Villa £16,000,000
David de Gea Atletico Madrid £18,000,000
Shinji Kagawa Borussia Dortmund £12,000,000
Nick Powell Crewe Alexandra £4,000,000
Robin van Persie Arsenal £24,000,000
Alexander Buttner Vitesse £3,900,000
Ángelo Henríquez Universidad de Chile £4,000,000
Wilfried Zaha Crystal Palace £15,000,000



I reckon only about 19/20 of these have been a success and only about 4 of them have come since 2007.

When you look at it on paper some of the money wasted is staggering. If Liverpool did this (they did) we’d be rolling around laughing at them.

Apart from the well documented ones such as Djemba Djemba / Kleberson / Veron there’s:

£17M for Hargreaves
£17M for Nani
£20M for Anderson
£31M for Berbatov
£7M for Tosic?????
£16M for Valencia
£10M for Smalling
£7M for Bebe
£17M for Jones
£16M for Young
£15M for Zaha

When you look at it, apart from some very astute business in the early 90s when Schmeichel, Irwin, Keane (British Record) & Cantona were picked up for a song and the academy produced a once in a lifetime group of kids, United have actually been one of the worst teams in Europe in terms of transfer business. Ferguson had lost touch with it for 5 years before he left and we’re still just muddling through now.

United need a Director of Football to come in and fix this from the ground up. The ironic thing is Moyes was probably as close as we’ve come to fixing this but bless him he couldn’t make decisions when it came to the crunch.

United’s transfers have been broke for years.

Your Airbag

Coat22 wrote: »

Transfer policy at united has been broken for years but papered over by the momentum of Ferguson’s teams and the great get out clause of Chelsea’s & City’s money.

Since United won the Treble in 99 they have brought in 70 players in 15 years.

Here’s the list of those under Ferguson:


Mark Bosnich Aston Villa Free
Quinton Fortune Atletico Madrid £1,500,000
Massimo Taibi Venezia £4,900,000
Mikael Silvestre Internazionale £4,000,000
Fabien Barthez AS Monaco £7,800,000
Andy Goram Motherwell Loan
Ruud van Nistelrooy PSV Eindhoven £19,000,000
Juan Sebastián Verón Lazio £28,100,000
Roy Carroll Wigan Athletic £2,500,000
Laurent Blanc Internazionale Free
Mads Timm Odense Free
Diego Forlan Independiente £7,500,000
Luke Steele Peterborough United £500,000
Rio Ferdinand Leeds United £30,000,000
Ricardo Valladolid £1,500,000
Souleymane Mamam La Semeuse Lomé Unknown
David Bellion Sunderland £2,000,000
Eric Djemba-Djemba Nantes £3,500,000
Tim Howard New Jersey Metrostars £1,200,000
Cristiano Ronaldo Sporting Club £12,240,000
Kleberson Atletico PR £5,930,000
Giuseppe Rossi Parma Free
Liam Miller Celtic Free
Louis Saha Fulham £12,825,000
Alan Smith Leeds United £7,050,000
Gabriel Heinze Paris Saint-Germain £6,900,000
Gerard Pique Barcelona £5,000,000
Fangzou Dong Dalian Shide £3,500,000
Wayne Rooney Everton £25,600,000
Ji-Sung Park PSV Eindhoven £4,000,000
Edwin van der Sar Fulham £2,000,000
Ben Foster Stoke City £1,000,000
Nemanja Vidic Spartak Moscow £7,200,000
Patrice Evra AS Monaco £5,500,000
Michael Carrick Tottenham Hotspur £18,600,000
Henrik Larsson Helsingborgs Loan
Owen Hargreaves Bayern Munich £17,000,000
Tomasz Kuszczak West Bromwich Albion £4,000,000
Nani Sporting Club £17,300,000
Anderson FC Porto £20,400,000
Carlos Tévez Corinthians Loan
Federico Macheda Lazio Free
Manucho Petro Atlético Unknown
Rodrigo Possebon Internacional Unknown
Rafael da Silva Fluminense £2,600,000
Fabio da Silva Fluminense £2,600,000
Dimitar Berbatov Tottenham Hotspur £30,750,000
Zoran Tosic Partizan FK £7,000,000
Ritchie De Laet Stoke City Unknown
Antonio Valencia Wigan Athletic £16,000,000
Michael Owen Newcastle United Free
Gabriel Obertan Bordeaux £3,000,000
Mame Biram Diouf Molde FK £2,000,000
Chris Smalling Fulham £10,000,000
Javier Hernández Deportivo Guadalajara £6,000,000
Bebe Guimaraes £7,400,000
Anders Lindegaard Aalesunds FK £3,500,000
Phil Jones Blackburn Rovers £17,000,000
Ashley Young Aston Villa £16,000,000
David de Gea Atletico Madrid £18,000,000
Shinji Kagawa Borussia Dortmund £12,000,000
Nick Powell Crewe Alexandra £4,000,000
Robin van Persie Arsenal £24,000,000
Alexander Buttner Vitesse £3,900,000
Ángelo Henríquez Universidad de Chile £4,000,000
Wilfried Zaha Crystal Palace £15,000,000



I reckon only about 19/20 of these have been a success and only about 4 of them have come since 2007.

When you look at it on paper some of the money wasted is staggering. If Liverpool did this (they did) we’d be rolling around laughing at them.

Apart from the well documented ones such as Djemba Djemba / Kleberson / Veron there’s:

£17M for Hargreaves
£17M for Nani
£20M for Anderson
£31M for Berbatov
£7M for Tosic?????
£16M for Valencia
£10M for Smalling
£7M for Bebe
£17M for Jones
£16M for Young
£15M for Zaha

When you look at it, apart from some very astute business in the early 90s when Schmeichel, Irwin, Keane (British Record) & Cantona were picked up for a song and the academy produced a once in a lifetime group of kids, United have actually been one of the worst teams in Europe in terms of transfer business. Ferguson had lost touch with it for 5 years before he left and we’re still just muddling through now.

United need a Director of Football to come in and fix this from the ground up. The ironic thing is Moyes was probably as close as we’ve come to fixing this but bless him he couldn’t make decisions when it came to the crunch.

United’s transfers have been broke for years.

Billy86

Dubliner28 wrote: »

Lads, what are the changes of Ashley Young starting? Good first goal bet?

He has scored 3 goals in 2 years...

Kirby

A much better bet is him "winning" a penalty.

The_Kew_Tour

Kirby wrote: »

A much better bet is him "winning" a penalty.

That would be great.

redbaron_99

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

That would be great.

Stick a few quid on Shelvy

Reedsie

Coat22 wrote: »

Transfer policy at united has been broken for years...............

I presume you have gone through the history of other teams and not just Man United to come to the presumption that United are "one of the worst teams in Europe in terms of transfer business"?

The success of transfers is a lot lower than I think you believe. And every team certainly has their howlers.

Maximus Alexander

Adamocovic wrote: »

Carricks injured, and I'm pretty sure (could be wrong) during the second half of one of the preseason games VG dropped Fletcher to CB to try him there...I'm just hoping it doesn't come to that.

Forgot about his injury. Whoops!

bucketybuck

Reedsie wrote: »

I presume you have gone through the history of other teams and not just Man United to come to the presumption that United are "one of the worst teams in Europe in terms of transfer business"?

The success of transfers is a lot lower than I think you believe. And every team certainly has their howlers.

I'd say its hard to argue that United's transfer policy hasn't been 'broken' for quite a while now. Even on its own the horrific neglect of the midfield sector for over five years is evidence of serious problems with the transfer policy.

Maximus Alexander

As someone who tends to be pretty chill about these things, even I have to admit that United's transfer policy has been pretty poor for a number of years now.

Corvo

I think we should all give out for another few days at least.

Like those bunch of priests stuck in the home in Father Ted when he switches on the light

The_Kew_Tour

You know I dont care if we dont get Vidal.

In ideal world he is what we need. But if we dont get him then we can have a Plan B and Plan C in place. oh wait.....

It looks like we dont have one but who knows only Ed and the Gang.

You see ever since we got destroyed by Barca its been 4 long summers since of false promise and disappointment in the most crucical area that has needed repairing.

We aint asking for 10 or 11 players. Just the standard 4-5 players will do whilst getting least 2 big names in there that are proven quality.

and people can talk trash talk about "people losing it" (go take a ****ing hike with that ****), but all we want is just some quality.

its like as if we have to be happy and apparecite being lucky to have a CM thats too fat, another that is moving on age wise, another who our own fans boo, another that nearly died last year and another that runs away from the ball as far away as possible..

But no I will apologise for wanting a few decent players.

redbaron_99

I think this season could be the tipping point for the club if they go with the current squad. I don't mean tipping point as in we'll go the way of Leeds. I mean the attitude towards transfers will completely change.
The reason I think this is, if our current injury prone players spend large amounts of the season out of action, we could see the club finish in a similar position to last season.
Rafeal, Young, Evans, Nani, Jones, Carrick, Fletcher, RVP, Smalling all have various types of fitness problems. A few of them are already showing their previous injury plagued form. If there is an injury crisis, or crises, there simply isnt the players to replace them and ultimately results will suffer - no matter who the manager is.
The club has to stop wasting opportunities to fix the squad. And it does need fixing.

bucketybuck

redbaron_99 wrote: »

I think this season could be the tipping point for the club if they go with the current squad.

Whatever about the players, if we miss out on Europe again then damn right it will be a tipping point. And that current squad won't make Europe as far as I am concerned.

homerjay2005

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

As someone who tends to be pretty chill about these things, even I have to admit that United's transfer policy has been pretty poor for a number of years now.

its not just transfers though, other aspects have been neglected you could argue.

think it was Daniel taylor who called it a club that was "run like a Sunday league team" when dissecting how things were over the last few years.

our scouting network appeared to have been one of the biggest shocks for Moyes and he put steps in place to change that. LVG already is in the process of changing many things also regarding training set up in carrington.

i would imagine our injury record or more to the point non-impact tears would be something LVG would look at as its pretty poor.

you can have injury crisis every now and then and they are perfectly normal, but if the current volume continues in the coming weeks, it would be the 4th season out of 6 where weve had major injury issues and that shouldnt happen to a club like ours - City, Chelsea and the top level European clubs just dont seem to have the same volume of regular injury lists as we do.

redbaron_99

bucketybuck wrote: »

Whatever about the players, if we miss out on Europe again then damn right it will be a tipping point. And that current squad won't make Europe as far as I am concerned.

I tend to agree. This is a very competitive PL season we're heading into. City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, Everton are going to be hard to compete with.

twam2008

bucketybuck wrote: »

Whatever about the players, if we miss out on Europe again then damn right it will be a tipping point. And that current squad won't make Europe as far as I am concerned.

That's the crux of it, we can make excuses as much as we want, but if we don't qualify for Europe again S*it will really start to hit the fan. If you look at Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City's team, it's very hard to see how we are going to break in there with our squad as it stands.

The_Kew_Tour

Thing is we are only 3 or 4 players away from having a serious dam good side.

but becuase they such keys positions the difference is greater and more urgent.

We dont need to go mad this summer of spending spree, but we still are CM and CB away from having a side that is going make CL easy enough.

I dont expect miracles from LVG. He will improve us but only by so much.

NTMK

What i dont understand is how are we struggling when we have so much on the line we will lose 20mill+ just from the adidas sponsorship if we dont get CL football next year. while its not all woodwards fault (weve always struggled to get big names from abroad), how we've got to august and not signed even a single back up CB (not to mind a starter) is beyond me.

redbaron_99

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Thing is we are only 3 or 4 players away from having a serious dam good side.

but becuase they such keys positions the difference is greater and more urgent.

We dont need to go mad this summer of spending spree, but we still are CM and CB away from having a side that is going make CL easy enough.

I dont expect miricales from LVG. He will improve us but only by so much.

THIS!!

Maximus Alexander

homerjay2005 wrote: »

its not just transfers though, other aspects have been neglected you could argue.

think it was Daniel taylor who called it a club that was "run like a Sunday league team" when dissecting how things were over the last few years.

our scouting network appeared to have been one of the biggest shocks for Moyes and he put steps in place to change that. LVG already is in the process of changing many things also regarding training set up in carrington.

i would imagine our injury record or more to the point non-impact tears would be something LVG would look at as its pretty poor.

you can have injury crisis every now and then and they are perfectly normal, but if the current volume continues in the coming weeks, it would be the 4th season out of 6 where weve had major injury issues and that shouldnt happen to a club like ours - City, Chelsea and the top level European clubs just dont seem to have the same volume of regular injury lists as we do.

I think an element of this is that it can be a double edged sword having a long standing manager like SAF. I mean a quarter of a century is a bloody long time to have one man in power and while he was there the club saw unprecedented success, but the other side of that is that you don't have fresh ideas coming into the club so when he leaves the job you're left behind in a lot of ways compared to clubs that have modernized the way they do things.

That's not in any way an attempt to blame Ferguson for anything, but I think some parts of the club have been trapped in an older era, simply as a side effect of having one man in the hot seat, with so much control, for so long.

I'm quite excited to see the changes that happen over the next few years, starting with things like Van Gaal ripping up trees around Carington for example (or the opposite, as the case may be :pac:).

Reedsie

redbaron_99 wrote: »

I think this season could be the tipping point for the club if they go with the current squad. I don't mean tipping point as in we'll go the way of Leeds. I mean the attitude towards transfers will completely change.

I think transfer dealings had to change the second Fergie left. In all probability we won't get a manager like him for a long time.

Billy86

bucketybuck wrote: »

Whatever about the players, if we miss out on Europe again then damn right it will be a tipping point. And that current squad won't make Europe as far as I am concerned.

It does need improvements no doubt, but it has to be remembered that Moyes helped make them look a lot worse than they are last season. Still holding out hope for a CB and CM hopefully with some LB cover thrown in. I would be happy with Rojo and Blind, but while not exactly holding my breath Vidal with one (or both) of them would be incredible.

homerjay2005

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I dont expect miricles from LVG.

i do...i really do. i think he can take us to the top 4 which would be a miracle with what is now, the worst squad of players the club has had in many years.

he got a very average Dutch squad to the world cup semi final and seems to have brought back the unity and team spirit that was lacking since Fergie left.

us having LVG is the only thing that reassures me this season along with the fact that every single one of our players were gash last season and cant play anywhere near as bad.

injurys could kill us, but if we get two or three players in before end of the month it will counteract that. im heading to the game tomorrow and going there really really nervous, but excited.

if we had Evra and Rio (i think we'd no choice of keeping Vidic) id expect us to walk through Swansea, but the crowd will be very nervous and anxious with potentially young, blackett and James in defence and this could create alot of issues with the performance.

i think we will scrape a win, without playing well - something we did with Fergie for the last 4 year of his tenure.

Coat22

Reedsie wrote: »

I presume you have gone through the history of other teams and not just Man United to come to the presumption that United are "one of the worst teams in Europe in terms of transfer business"?

The success of transfers is a lot lower than I think you believe. And every team certainly has their howlers.

You really don't have to spend months researching this to come to the conclusion that United have been one of Europe's worst (certainly in the big leagues - may be some in Ukraine / Russia who have wasted more - I don't care)

As Kew Tour as pointed out - its been 4 summers since Barca made a show of us and showed our mid field up for what it was. Ferguson chose to ignore it and Moyes in fairness got Herrara in. Both Feruson and Moyes set back and watched the back 4 grow old together and did nothing. Jones was bought but he's not the answer. 2 seasons ago at least one new CB should have been brought in but this was ignored and went for RVP as an incredible short term solution to winning a league.

Billy86

Coat22 wrote: »

Moyes in fairness got Herrara in.

No he didn't. We were interested in Herrera before him, and signed him after Moyes had left. By a lot of reports he scuppered that deal last year in favour of Fellaini because he didn't know much about Herrera.

user2011

22hrs and xx mins to the season kicks off :cool:

The_Kew_Tour

Ya wait till Swansea beat us in 24 hours:o:pac:

Maximus Alexander

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Ya wait till Swansea beat us in 24 hours:o:pac:

Coat22

Billy86 wrote: »

No he didn't. We were interested in Herrera before him, and signed him after Moyes had left. By a lot of reports he scuppered that deal last year in favour of Fellaini because he didn't know much about Herrera.

Moyes did the donkey work on Herrera. Chickened out last season when it came to splashing the cash but he laid the groundwork for the summers 2 signings.

Reedsie

Coat22 wrote: »

You really don't have to spend months researching this to come to the conclusion that United have been one of Europe's worst (certainly in the big leagues - may be some in Ukraine / Russia who have wasted more - I don't care)

I'll take that as a no. You mentioned Liverpool so who have been their biggest investments over the years?

Sakho last season, Joe Allen the season before. Stewart Downing before that. Andy Carroll, Glen Johnson, Robbie Keane..

Over the same period we've had Mata, Van Persie, De Gea, Smalling, Valencia and Berbatov.

Which would you rather?


We all know that we've had midfield problems, not many if any will argue differently. But we have two of the best strikers in the world. One of the best keepers in the world. One of the best no.10's in the world.

To say we are the worst team for transfer dealings in Europe is just silly and uninformed.

2moreMinutes

I'm still confident that we'll sign a few players before the window closes which will keep me happy. Actually, **** that, **** Woody, **** it all, we haven't signed anyone yet and I'm pissed off. I'll calm down when we win the league as I fully expect we will do. I'll go ****ing bananas if we **** it up as I predict we will. I'm not really sure how I feel but I'll keep testing the waters here until I eventually get dizzy from my u-turns.

user2011

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Ya wait till Swansea beat us in 24 hours:o:pac:

:mad: don't be ruing my buzz

I just want to be watching United again (good/bad/indifferent) it'll be all fun and games Let the real fan wars begin :pac:

bucketybuck

We'll probably beat Swansea, I have no clue whatsoever of what form they are in or even what sort of team they have this season.

It still won't change the reality of our squad deficiencies.

twam2008

2moreMinutes wrote: »

I'm still confident that we'll sign a few players before the window closes which will keep me happy. Actually, **** that, **** Woody, **** it all, we haven't signed anyone yet and I'm pissed off. I'll calm down when we win the league as I fully expect we will do. I'll go ****ing bananas if we **** it up as I predict we will. I'm not really sure how I feel but I'll keep testing the waters here until I eventually get dizzy from my u-turns.

And I'll stick my head in the sand and ignore the blatantly obvious because I'm such a real fan. Works both ways. We all went the best for the team.

tupac_healy

bucketybuck wrote: »

We'll probably beat Swansea, I have no clue whatsoever of what form they are in or even what sort of team they have this season.

It still won't change the reality of our squad deficiencies.

No it won't, but us winning 3-1 and Rooney to get the first would sure make me happy!

homerjay2005

Reedsie wrote: »

To say we are the worst team for transfer dealings in Europe is just silly and uninformed.

i wouldnt say we are the worst in Europe, but we are definitely up there for being the worst of the BIG clubs.

Arsenal are pretty poor also, though have had a much better summer than normal.

last summer and this summer so far has been very very poor to say the least.

Rayne Wooney

Tomorrow's game won't be a walk in the park, Swansea's attack and midfield are well capable against what they will be playing against tomorrow

Coat22

Reedsie wrote: »

I'll take that as a no. You mentioned Liverpool so who have been their biggest investments over the years?

Sakho last season, Joe Allen the season before. Stewart Downing before that. Andy Carroll, Glen Johnson, Robbie Keane..

Over the same period we've had Mata, Van Persie, De Gea, Smalling, Valencia and Berbatov.

Which would you rather?


We all know that we've had midfield problems, not many if any will argue differently. But we have two of the best strikers in the world. One of the best keepers in the world. One of the best no.10's in the world.

To say we are the worst team for transfer dealings in Europe is just silly and uninformed.

Yes I did mention Liverpool - and why I said United were "One OF the worst" - I completely agree Liverpool have been shocking in the transfer market (going back to the early 90s).

De Gea and RVP have been probably the only 2 transfer successes since Evra and Vidic came in. Mata will hopefully work out but was still almost £40M for an unwanted Chelsea player.

We have ignored midfield, made poor defender purchases (how we got out of the Buttner mess without losing money is the one positive in the whole thing) and allowed players like Valencia remain on rather than ship them out when they started to go down hill.

Its schoolboy stuff.

jimmytwotimes 2013

08-13 net spend: 1. City £531m 2. CFC £157m 3. LFC £135m 4. Stoke £109m

MUFC £84m Arsenal £26m

figures from Jonathan Northcroft, Sunday Times, on Twitter

Crazy.

tupac_healy

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i wouldnt say we are the worst in Europe, but we are definitely up there for being the worst of the BIG clubs.

Arsenal are pretty poor also, though have had a much better summer than normal.

last summer and this summer so far has been very very poor to say the least.

Worst of the BIG clubs is surely AC Milan

brinty

presser in 10 minutes
how's gettin bo****xed out of it first
€5 on Ogden

Cookiemunster

brinty wrote: »

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homerjay2005

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

08-13 net spend: 1. City £531m 2. CFC £157m 3. LFC £135m 4. Stoke £109m

MUFC £84m Arsenal £26m

figures from Jonathan Northcroft, Sunday Times, on Twitter

Crazy.

the ronaldo money disorts alot as does the silly spending City did in 07-10.

last 3 years our net spending is almost the same as City....they just got better value and better players and hence now, have a better team than us by a considerable margain.

they are signing the likes of Navas, Ferdnandinho, Nastasic, Nasri, Negredo - we are signing Jones, Young, Fellaini & Zaha.