Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

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homerjay2005 wrote: »

Strootman was pictured returning to Roma 2 weeks ago, but is there any indication of how he is shaping up -= is he expected to play in the next month o or two?

im convinced LVG is obsessed with signing him and if Strootman is anywhere near being able to play by September, we will go for him. its the main reason of no interest for Vidal at the moment i would say.

Well hes in Boston

https://mobile.twitter.com/Kevin_strootman/status/491214757119401984

Dacelonid

Where are people getting the idea that LvG is mass to sign Strootman. Obviously he relied on him for the national team, but that doesn't mean he wants to sign him for United.

Not that I am questioning people, just wondering if there is some articles or interviews where he had said this

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http://instagram.com/p/p1Ap5kTbC0/?modal=true

Here he was about a month ago

Ed The Equalizer

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Strootman was pictured returning to Roma 2 weeks ago, but is there any indication of how he is shaping up -= is he expected to play in the next month o or two?

im convinced LVG is obsessed with signing him and if Strootman is anywhere near being able to play by September, we will go for him. its the main reason of no interest for Vidal at the moment i would say.

I read Stootman was only returning for tests and not for training.

This wasn't the story I saw but is reporting the same:

http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2014/07/roma-update-on-strootman-injury-recovery/

HaveASnickers

Tom.D.BJJ wrote: »

Eat something, you're turning into a diva.

We don't need WC players now. RVP is good for another few season, as is Rooney. Utd as a club is not static and there will always be regeneration. Obviously as fans we wants things to happen now to satiate our appetites for constant news. We simply have to wait and trust. Either way, we'll be okay for he upcoming season, it cannot be worse than the last one.

Not many of our players are on an upward curve of development.

RVP is getting old, people have to accept this. People will probably say "he doesn't rely on pace"...well look how many times he was offside in the world cup. That's what losing pace does.

Rooney has had his best season years ago...not on an upward curve.

Carrick/Fletcher/Valencia/Young/Nani all on downward curves.

Shaw/Rafael/DDG/Evans are getting better. Smalling/Jones aren't doing anything yet...stagnated.

Look at City...they have Kompany/Ageuro/Nastasic/Nasri all getting better each season.

Chelsea the same.

HaveASnickers

Any extended highlights of the game?

Did we play like Holland?

homerjay2005

TheDoc wrote: »

I'd be happy with Strootman, fits that narrative of buying young future stars that LVG mentioned.

happy has different context here.

if strootman is fully fit and able to play in the next 6-8 weeks, then we would all be happy, given our fairly decent start to the season in terms of fixtures and the need for a young, agressive/creative midfielder.

HOWEVER, if its a case that he is not fully fit for 3 or 4 months, then no...i wouldnt be happy with it and i think most people would feel the same. there is also the risk that he could be rushed back too soon to play and increases the likelyhood of re-occurrence.

its a massive risk, Cruciates normally take 8 months minimum to get right, he is only gone 4 so far after the op.

Adamocovic

HaveASnickers wrote: »

Any extended highlights of the game?

Did we play like Holland?

I hope its okay to send full highlights ha

Think that channel has highlights too

Adamcp898

Strootman won't play friendlies but says he's training ''hard''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2QPDPZPw08

v3ttel

HaveASnickers wrote: »

Not many of our players are on an upward curve of development.

De Gea, Rafael, Jones, Evans, Smalling, Shaw, Herrera, Mata, Januzaj, Welbeck, Chicharito are all first team regulars at ages (26 or significantly less in some cases), where you would expect them to improve significantly over the coming years. A fair chunk of the first team squad.

HaveASnickers wrote: »

RVP is getting old, people have to accept this. People will probably say "he doesn't rely on pace"...well look how many times he was offside in the world cup. That's what losing pace does.

Being caught offside means your losing pace? There a plenty of reasons for being offside. That's a ridiculously poor piece of evidence to back up your point with.

HaveASnickers wrote: »

All on downward curves

We had significant success when all the following players we "on their downward curve".

Vidic (32), Rio (35), Evra (33), Carrick (33), Giggs (40), Scholes (38, when he stopped). Did those players not contribute to a significant amount of success over the last 3 to 4 seasons?

Your entire argument is completely flawed. We have plenty of players who will improve. You need experienced players at times. Players don't suddenly become incapable because they are "on a downward curve".

A healthy mix is necessary.

Al Capwned

I do enjoy v3ttel's multi-quote posts....

bangkok

yea would agree with that, being caught offside has nothing to do with pace, Hernandez is one of our quickest players and he regularly gets caught offside.

Inzaghi as fergie once said "was born offside"

you are just trying to play on the shoulder of the last defender, has nothing to do with pace or getting old

The Moldy Gowl

bangkok wrote: »

yea would agree with that, being caught offside has nothing to do with pace, Hernandez is one of our quickest players and he regularly gets caught offside.

Inzaghi as fergie once said "was born offside"

you are just trying to play on the shoulder of the last defender, has nothing to do with pace or getting old

He was born in a hosiptal.

MagicIRL

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

He was born in a hosiptal.

Yeah but he was in between the last nurse and the doctor before he popped out so he was offside.

beakerjoe

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

He was born in a hosiptal.

Wheres your source? :pac:

Mikeyt086

7-0, lovely news to wake up to. A win that big against a team in the middle of their season is not to be scoffed at. Delighted to hear Herrera bossed it, I am so excited about him.

But also, I think we could be surprised by a few players who looked crap in Moyes system. The likes of Ashley Young, Tom Cleverley, and Antonio Valencia have all taken a ridiculous amount of stick, and most of it justified for completely hapless performances, but in a fluid LVG system with all the players high on confidence and competing for Louis' hugs, we could see a few players playing above themselves.

Two defenders and a midfielder are still clearly needed, lets hope we can get a bit of business done but it's a very exciting time to be a United fan in my opinion.

The Moldy Gowl

MagicIRL wrote: »

Yeah but he was in between the last nurse and the doctor before he popped out so he was offside.

His mothers legs played him onside.

beakerjoe wrote: »

Wheres your source? :pac:

My brother was a accountant in Italy.

tupac_healy

Adamocovic wrote: »

I hope its okay to send full highlights ha

Think that channel has highlights too

What's the name of the YouTube channel I want to subscribe! Pic quality is brilliant

Deiseboy01

Did Nani play last night, if so how did he do?

Nalz

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Did Nani play last night, if so how did he do?

Upfront with Young I believe in the second half. Didn't see it though

RasTa

Something very random

RGDATA!

tupac_healy wrote: »

What's the name of the YouTube channel I want to subscribe! Pic quality is brilliant

click on the 'YouTube' link in the bottom right of the embedded video - opens the vid up in YouTube, you can subscribe from there

MagicIRL

RasTa wrote: »

Something very random

I thought Ander was sucking his thumb and thought "Wow, that is pretty random" and then suddenly, BOOM, tackled.

homerjay2005

am i right in saying that Fellaini and kagawa didnt score a single goal last year and that Nani, Carrick, Anderson, Cleverly got something like 4 between them?

even Young got a burst of 3 goals in 3 games and then didnt score for the rest of the year. straight away, getting goals from that bunch of players has to be up there in priority, its a shambles the return them lads gave us, regardless of tactics or David Moyes.

Whatsisname

RasTa wrote: »

Something very random

Welbeck's backtracking there is hilarious

Kirby

HaveASnickers wrote: »

Not many of our players are on an upward curve of development.

RVP is getting old, people have to accept this. People will probably say "he doesn't rely on pace"...well look how many times he was offside in the world cup. That's what losing pace does.

Rooney has had his best season years ago...not on an upward curve.

Carrick/Fletcher/Valencia/Young/Nani all on downward curves.

Shaw/Rafael/DDG/Evans are getting better. Smalling/Jones aren't doing anything yet...stagnated.

Look at City...they have Kompany/Ageuro/Nastasic/Nasri all getting better each season.

Chelsea the same.

Kompany had a shocking season. He survived the criticism he should have gotten on reputation alone and the fact that the BBC are reticent to criticise their bessie mate. Both Aguero and Nastasic had injury ravaged seasons.

I understand the point you are trying to make but you couldn't have picked three worse examples.

RasTa

Whatsisname wrote: »

Welbeck's backtracking there is hilarious

That's not Danny.

Some finish from him last night

Professional Griefer

Whatsisname wrote: »

Welbeck's backtracking there is hilarious

Is it not Valencia?

beakerjoe

It looks like someone with a number 2 on the back of the shirt

MagicMarker

I personally think we'll see a return for form of the beast this coming season.

Nalz

beakerjoe wrote: »

It looks like someone with a number 2 on the back of the shirt

Its Blackett

user2011

Whatsisname wrote: »

Welbeck's backtracking there is hilarious

Tyler Blackett (sp) Welbz and other poster thinking it's Val they both went off at HT.

bucketybuck

v3ttel wrote: »

Being caught offside means your losing pace?

bangkok wrote: »

yea would agree with that, being caught offside has nothing to do with pace

Of course it does. A player with pace can leave himself a greater margin of error for staying onside, his pace will still allow him to run onto through balls from the deeper onside position.

As that pace goes, the same striker needs to push right up as far as he can to give him a better chance to get onto those same through balls. He has less margin for error, and because he has to push right up on the defender the likelihood of getting caught offside increases.

Seems obvious.

beakerjoe

MagicMarker wrote: »

I personally think we'll see a return for form of the beast this coming season.

Will that make Belle a WAG?

Ed The Equalizer

homerjay2005 wrote: »

am i right in saying that Fellaini and kagawa didnt score a single goal last year and that Nani, Carrick, Anderson, Cleverly got something like 4 between them?

even Young got a burst of 3 goals in 3 games and then didnt score for the rest of the year. straight away, getting goals from that bunch of players has to be up there in priority, its a shambles the return them lads gave us, regardless of tactics or David Moyes.

Last night's performance was encouraging in that regard and the Dutch had 9 different scorers in their 7 World Cup games so fingers crossed.

With 3 at the back and a lot of fluidity in front of them we're already looking better compared to both the defensive frailty and lack of creativity last year.

Really excited to see a move away from 4-4-2.

Backstreet Moyes

I don't think Strootman will exactly be easy to get In January. I expect Roma to be pushing for the league and in the knockout stages in Europe.

NUTZZ

Just an update on the store events last night;

Manchester United Store 'Glitch' Gifts Fans £38 Discount on New Nike Shirt

Manchester United fans have allegedly been snapping up the club's new away Nike shirt for just £22 after a 'glitch' on its official website accidently marked it down.

The kit, which should have cost as much as £60, was available for less then a third of it's retail price on the club's online store.

It means supporters could have bagged themselves a huge saving if they went onto the website while the 'offer' was still live.

Reports of the error came late last night, with the club seemingly quick to rectify the mistake.

Rafts of United supporters from across the world took advantage of the mistake before spreading news of the malfunction on Twitter.

The new away shirt, which was launched on Tuesday, is priced at between £32 and £60 for childrens and adult shirts.

Announcing the arrival of the new kit at its megastore and online superstore, United said: "...the shirt is crisp white and boasts a sophisticated black polo neck collar that has a unique black button engraved with the club name."

At the time of publication, Manchester United had not responded to IBTimes UK's calls for a comment.

International Business Times

homerjay2005

Nuts102 wrote: »

I don't think Strootman will exactly be easy to get In January. I expect Roma to be pushing for the league and in the knockout stages in Europe.

if Van Gaal wants him, then he will come. you'd think he would turn down the chance to work with Van Gaal and play for united?

Roma could also end up making €15+million profit on him.

anyway, its all irrelevent until he comes back playing and at a good level. surely we wouldnt be stupid enough to buy him until he has 2 or 3 months of game time behind him?

billyhead

homerjay2005 wrote: »

if Van Gaal wants him, then he will come. you'd think he would turn down the chance to work with Van Gaal and play for united?

Roma could also end up making €15+million profit on him.

anyway, its all irrelevent until he comes back playing and at a good level. surely we wouldnt be stupid enough to buy him until he has 2 or 3 months of game time behind him?

Exactly. It seem the players have all the power nowadays and if he wants to come he will come i.e theres no point in the club holding onto an unhappy member when they can cash in on him. He will force a move

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NUTZZ wrote: »

Just an update on the store events last night;



International Business Times

That's the definition of saying a lot but actually saying nothing at all!!

Donnielighto

homerjay2005 wrote: »

if Van Gaal wants him, then he will come. you'd think he would turn down the chance to work with Van Gaal and play for united?

Roma could also end up making €15+million profit on him.

anyway, its all irrelevent until he comes back playing and at a good level. surely we wouldnt be stupid enough to buy him until he has 2 or 3 months of game time behind him?

Any idea how long is left on his contract, i presume it's 3 years?

NUTZZ

MrMac84 wrote: »

That's the definition of saying a lot but actually saying nothing at all!!

Absolutely, the most important part being that MUFC hadn't responded to their comments yet.

Backstreet Moyes

homerjay2005 wrote: »

if Van Gaal wants him, then he will come. you'd think he would turn down the chance to work with Van Gaal and play for united?

Roma could also end up making €15+million profit on him.

anyway, its all irrelevent until he comes back playing and at a good level. surely we wouldnt be stupid enough to buy him until he has 2 or 3 months of game time behind him?

How do you know he would come in January. If Roma are fighting for the league and still in Europe i can see why he would want to stay there until the end of the season.

Mitch Connor

Will be very interesting to see who stays at United beyond september.

If the formation used last night is going to be the first choice one (if not same players) I can't see a place for Young or Nani. Kagawa would be well down the order if LVG wants to develop Januzaj. The 'Herrera role' in the first half would be a fight between Clevlerey and Kagawa from our current squad. Can see Januzaj being deployed in the advanced AMC role that Mata had, similar to Robben in the WC.

Of course, I don't think the formation from last night will be used 100% of the time, I would think form, fitness and tactical requirements will change the formation and personel quite a bit over the season.

Can't see United not being in for Blind, with his ability to cover LB, CB and CM.

Hank Scorpio

Herrera was first class last night, really impressed by his game. Another couple of signings of similar quality, cm and cb/lb and I'd be very optimistic going into the new season.

Fenix

I'll be honest and say I haven't seen as much of Stootman as presumably many on here, but, what I though he was, is a similar player to Herrera ? Like a link between attack and defense, rather than the true proper defensive midfielder I think we're looking for. Would he be more a ball winner than a box to box midfielder for example ?

Son Of A Vidic

A nice surprise to hear the 7-0 result this morning. The boss seems pleased with the performance and if he's happy I'm happy.

v3ttel

v3ttel wrote: »

Being caught offside means your losing pace?

bucketybuck wrote: »

Of course it does

Oh ok. I swear that Chichairto guy loses 10 yards of pace every season.

I thought offsides may be caused by a number of things (including, and not limited to):

- Tiredness, mental or physical
- Laziness, just not getting back in time
- Misjudgement of your position.
- Misjudgement of opposition position(s) and next movements.
- Mistiming of your run
- Expectation that the passing player will play the pass at the right moment, before you've run too far.
- A well executed offside trap
- Officials mistake
- Unawareness/ball watching (just not watching across the line)

bucketybuck wrote: »

Seems obvious.

Would have thought the same thing.

The OP point about RVP was completely incorrect. There are plenty of other factors that could be at play. That was the point of the post.

v3ttel

RasTa wrote: »

Something very random

Reminds me of this:

Backstreet Moyes

The squad needs a few signings but the first team is a top class cb and cm away from being very strong. Mata in the hole behind a central midfield that can give him the ball further up the pitch is drool worthy.