Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

bucketybuck

v3ttel wrote: »

That was the point of the post.

Not really sure what your point is here to be honest. Are there other factors that can be involved in a player getting caught offside? Of course there are.

But the OP said that as RVP loses pace this is having an effect on his "offside" rate. To which posters replied that pace does not affect offsides. Well, of course pace affects your chances of getting caught offside, because if you lose a yard of pace you need to play right on the line to compensate.

I really don't see the debate here.

Lord TSC

Kitbag, who run the United store, seem inclined to void all the mis-priced orders.

http://mufclatest.com/manchester-united-kit-price-error-opportunity-for-good-pr/

“At this time, we are waiting for the club to respond as to whether we can honour the orders already placed. Orders can be cancelled at our discretion, but due to the high volume, confirmation from the club is necessary.”

hufpc8w3adnk65

Lord TSC wrote: »

Kitbag, who run the United store, seem inclined to void all the mis-priced orders.

http://mufclatest.com/manchester-united-kit-price-error-opportunity-for-good-pr/

That's a kick in the stones! Hopefully united bite the bullet and hold there hands up and honour the mistake!

Maximus Alexander

It's better for the fans if they cancel the orders - that's all money that could be used to buy Ronaldo back. :pac:

Kylo Ren

Even with the mistaken price, they'll still be making a profit.

How much would you say each jersey costs to make? >€10 I'd say.

Eathrin

I was a bit skeptical at first about his price tag, but after watching him last night I am extremely excited about Ander Herrera

The Moldy Gowl

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

It's better for the fans if they cancel the orders - that's all money that could be used to buy Ronaldo back. :pac:

They should do it to troll Nike since Nike will get less money

The Moldy Gowl

Keno wrote: »

Even with the mistaken price, they'll still be making a profit.

How much would you say each jersey costs to make? >€10 I'd say.

You mean less < 10?


Id say less than a couple of chomp bars in Asia

Son Of A Vidic

RasTa wrote: »

That's not Danny.

Some finish from him last night

Now if Welbeck could add that kind of lethal finishing to his game, on a consistent basis. I'd be very happy.

MagicIRL

Eathrin wrote: »

I was a bit skeptical at first about his price tag, but after watching him last night I am extremely excited about Ander Herrera

Big test for him against Roma and Madrid. When are those games on, anyone know?

keane2097

All the talk about RVP and his offside rate is fairly nonsensical unless someone actually provides stats that show a change in said offside rate.

"Look how often he was offside at the World Cup" - is that for serious?

Spazdarn

He was tired or injured or both at the WC.

bangkok

Eathrin wrote: »

I was a bit skeptical at first about his price tag, but after watching him last night I am extremely excited about Ander Herrera

in fairness to Herrera, there is nothing he can do about the price tag and seeing as bilbao don't usually buy outside of the basque region he was always going to be a high price, added to the fact he is already an excellent player, with huge potential to improve

TheDoc

MrMac84 wrote: »

That's a kick in the stones! Hopefully united bite the bullet and hold there hands up and honour the mistake!

This isn't unusual, there are dozens of high profile incidents that take place accross big brands every year, that cancel orders during a misprice.
Be a pretty big PR win if they let these jerseys go out at a reduced rate, but can cause just as much bad press for fans who couldn't avail of the offer.

There is also loads of posts around a few football forums of lads who put in massive bulk orders, with the sold intention to flip for profit : /

bangkok

MagicIRL wrote: »

Big test for him against Roma and Madrid. When are those games on, anyone know?

26 Jul Tour 2014 AS Roma N 21:06 BST


30 Jul Tour 2014 Inter Milan N 00:30 BST August 2014

02 Aug Tour 2014 Real Madrid N 21:06

Toobz

Lads vidals price to united was 5/4 as joint faves with liverpool this morn and now its 1/12 with paddypower any reason for the massive change in the last few hours?

MagicIRL

Vidal to Liverpool? Hahahahahahahahaha

The Moldy Gowl

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Vidal to Liverpool he said.

Toobz

I mean in uniteds favour...way to condescend.

Rubber_Soul

Toobz wrote: »

Lads vidals price to united was 5/4 as joint faves with liverpool this morn and now its 1/12 with paddypower any reason for the massive change in the last few hours?

Someone probably stuck 50 quid on it.

Macca07

keane2097 wrote: »

All the talk about RVP and his offside rate is fairly nonsensical unless someone actually provides stats that show a change in said offside rate.

"Look how often he was offside at the World Cup" - is that for serious?

TBF, I can see the point of the OP, but to an intelligent player like RvP, his experience that comes with age might see him caught offside even less. And I don't think RvP has lost that much pace since he first joined United.

Being caught offside has too many factors to put it down to losing pace. Maybe the players playing the ball weren't up to speed with RvP, delaying the pass a split second longer than what he's used to.

From NBC Sports website, RvP was caught offside once every 72 minutes last season, once every 68 mins the season before, and once every 83 mns before that. I could keep going but there really isn't any pattern to prove the as age increases, you'll get caught offside more.

HaveASnickers

v3ttel wrote: »

De Gea, Rafael, Jones, Evans, Smalling, Shaw, Herrera, Mata, Januzaj, Welbeck, Chicharito are all first team regulars at ages (26 or significantly less in some cases), where you would expect them to improve significantly over the coming years. A fair chunk of the first team squad.



Being caught offside means your losing pace? There a plenty of reasons for being offside. That's a ridiculously poor piece of evidence to back up your point with.



We had significant success when all the following players we "on their downward curve".

Vidic (32), Rio (35), Evra (33), Carrick (33), Giggs (40), Scholes (38, when he stopped). Did those players not contribute to a significant amount of success over the last 3 to 4 seasons?

Your entire argument is completely flawed. We have plenty of players who will improve. You need experienced players at times. Players don't suddenly become incapable because they are "on a downward curve".

A healthy mix is necessary.

Jones/Smalling/Rafael/Chicarito may be regulars but are they getting better? No.

Also I never said they didn't contribute success...my whole point was that we need to sign players for now and not players for the future as some of our players are on downward curves.

Look at Arsenal, going for potential....remember Dunphy saying they would dominate? Yeah....they stayed a team of potential and won nothing.

The Moldy Gowl

Toobz wrote: »

I mean in uniteds favour...way to condescend.

Hardly condescending.
Moving to man utd over liverpool is a better career move.

redbaron_99

Toobz wrote: »

Lads vidals price to united was 5/4 as joint faves with liverpool this morn and now its 1/12 with paddypower any reason for the massive change in the last few hours?

He's due back in Italy tomorrow. They're covering their asses in case...

HaveASnickers

RVP was offside 15 times at the world cup. Over twice as many as the next and also gave away the most fouls in the tournament behind Fellaini (so2nd highest). And considering Brazil v Columbia that's quite an achievment!

Insect Overlord

HaveASnickers wrote: »

RVP was offside 15 times at the world cup. Over twice as many as the next and also gave away the most fouls in the tournament. And considering Brazil v Columbia that's quite an achievment!

And your point is..?

Will I Amnt

HaveASnickers wrote: »

RVP was offside 15 times at the world cup. Over twice as many as the next and also gave away the most fouls in the tournament. And considering Brazil v Columbia that's quite an achievment!

About 10 of them came against a well drilled Costa Rican defensive unit.

HaveASnickers

An File wrote: »

And your point is..?

Read the previous pages lad.

HaveASnickers

Will I Amnt wrote: »

About 10 of them came against a well drilled Costa Rican defensive unit.

Ah come on....some of the offsides were shockingly bad.

When do people expect RVP to stop banging in 25 league goals a season then?

Macca07

HaveASnickers wrote: »

RVP was offside 15 times at the world cup. Over twice as many as the next and also gave away the most fouls in the tournament behind Fellaini (so2nd highest). And considering Brazil v Columbia that's quite an achievment!

And that proves what exactly?

The Moldy Gowl

HaveASnickers wrote: »

Read the previous pages lad.

Are you just saying that rvp is old and slow and just judging it off being offside?

Might as well just go with his fifa stats, would be more accurate than pulling it out of your arse.

Cookiemunster

HaveASnickers wrote: »

RVP was offside 15 times at the world cup. Over twice as many as the next and also gave away the most fouls in the tournament. And considering Brazil v Columbia that's quite an achievment!

15 times in 6 games? So an average of 2.5 times a game. That's hardly spectacular. Also how many strikers played 6 games including extra time twice?

LostBoy101

HaveASnickers wrote: »

RVP was offside 15 times at the world cup. Over twice as many as the next and also gave away the most fouls in the tournament behind Fellaini (so2nd highest). And considering Brazil v Columbia that's quite an achievment!

That's like saying Chico runs offside many times and he himself is still able to produce a decent goal return.

Insect Overlord

I remember seeing a game in the 90s where Alan Boksic was caught off-side 17 or 18 times in one match for Juventus.

HaveASnickers

LostBoy101 wrote: »

That's like saying Chico runs offside many times and he himself is still able to produce a decent goal return.

He's being doing it all his life.

Donnielighto

HaveASnickers wrote: »

Ah come on....some of the offsides were shockingly bad.

When do people expect RVP to stop banging in 25 league goals a season then?

Injury or retirement.

HaveASnickers

Donnielighto wrote: »

Injury or retirement.

You're in a fantasy land.

Cookiemunster

HaveASnickers wrote: »

He's being doing it all his life.

As I said above, 15 times in 6 games including 2 periods of extra time. An average 2.5 times a game. Plenty of strikers are offside 5-6 time every game.

UnitedIrishman

Sell Van Persie, sack Van Gaal.

tupac_healy

HaveASnickers wrote: »

RVP was offside 15 times at the world cup. Over twice as many as the next and also gave away the most fouls in the tournament behind Fellaini (so2nd highest). And considering Brazil v Columbia that's quite an achievment!

Could have been far worse...

Could have been like 'nailed to the ground' Fred

HaveASnickers

tupac_healy wrote: »

Could have been far worse...

Could have been like 'nailed to the ground' Fred

True dat. :-)

Anyways it doesn't mean much...was just saying RVP could be declining and that losing some pace might mean he tries to cheat behind the defence.

Next topic.

Nani anyone? :-)

TheDoc

Holland playing on the counter, with a preference to fire balls into RVP or Robben in space.

Seperating the fact Van Persie has spend most of his career playing of the shoulder of the last defender, despite his lack of pace, it's in no way a negative reflection on him that he was caught offside so many times.

Some of them though were down to fatigue, he looked wrecked by the end of it, and there was a few instances he wasn't getting back onside quick enough.

But it's in no way a talking point on anything to be fair. Van Persie never had pace as a major asset, and would frequently always operate on the last defender.

adox

RVP wasnt fully fit for the world cup and also picked up a dose of the trotts during the tournament.


I think people are putting 2+2 together and getting = old!

Donnielighto

HaveASnickers wrote: »

You're in a fantasy land.

Still better than wherever you are.


Seriously though depending on the team style and number of appearances he can perform to a high level for 2/3 seasons imo. Can see him not dragging out the career either and moving to coaching young.

NUTZZ

The Sun are claiming United 'lost' £200,000 on the store glitch last night and that 4,000 people placed orders and according to the Sun a club spokesperson has confirmed all orders will be processed.

Web glitch slashes Man United kit prices

MANCHESTER UNITED lost around £200,000 thanks to a website cock-up which saw 60 per cent wrongly slashed off the price of all club merchandise

THOUSANDS of Manchester United fans from around the world cashed in when a website cock-up led to a 60 per cent discount on ALL club merchandise.
Around 4,000 lucky Red Devils couldn’t believe their eyes when they saw new full club kits — which retail at £92 — available for just £34.

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LOW RESOLUTION PICTURE OF FULL STORY ON THE SUN (but legible)

Donnielighto

NUTZZ wrote: »

The Sun are claiming United 'lost' £200,000 on the store glitch last night and that 4,000 people placed orders and according to the Sun a club spokesperson has confirmed all orders will be processed.


Link

Fingers crossed, put in for 2, kagawa and mata, one home and one away, bro can have one and ill take the other.

FortuneChip

Toobz wrote: »

Lads vidals price to united was 5/4 as joint faves with liverpool this morn and now its 1/12 with paddypower any reason for the massive change in the last few hours?

So United & Liverpool were joint favs at 5/4.
Now United & Paddypower are joint favs at 1/12?

Shocking margin aside, what would PP do with him?

Samoa Joe

NUTZZ wrote: »

The Sun are claiming United 'lost' £200,000 on the store glitch last night and that 4,000 people placed orders and according to the Sun a club spokesperson has confirmed all orders will be processed.


Link

Here's another report

Link

A Manchester United spokesperson told IBTimes UK: "United Direct, the Club's Official Online Megastore, which is run by our e-commerce partner Kitbag, sent out communications which contained details of an erroneous discount code to our fans around the globe - this offer has now ended.

"United Direct will honour all consumer orders placed using this discount code, an approach which is fully endorsed by the Club."

beakerjoe

Toobz wrote: »

Lads vidals price to united was 5/4 as joint faves with liverpool this morn and now its 1/12 with paddypower any reason for the massive change in the last few hours?

Odds means nothing. Just means people are betting.

NUTZZ

We're getting our shirts lads!