Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

Whatsisname

bangkok wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/thomas-vermaelen-transfer-latest-manchester-united-remain-confident-of-deal-for-arsenal-defender--whilst-wikipedia-page-has-already-changed-9631492.html

it practically uses wikipedia as a reference like..

RayCun

it would be hilarious if it turned out Vermaelen's wikipedia page was edited by that journalist, desperate for a hook on which to hang a story

MagicIRL

Oh my good God. They're citing his wikipedia page being changed as a positive?

Whatever happened to the Arda Turan rumours?

RayCun

homerjay2005 wrote: »

he wants a big signing - its not my opinion or views, its whats being said.

nobody is arguing with that bit, it's the "obsessed with Cavani" thing

MagicIRL

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/manchester-united-transfer-news-arturo-vidal-bid-of-48m-imminent--reports-9632938.html

This morning Gazzetta Dello Sport reported that United would bid €60m for the Chile international whilst also offering him a four-year contract worth around £6m-a-year.

Gazetta: http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Serie-A/Juventus/27-07-2014/juventus-vidal-manchester-united-allegri-60-milioni-801368683647.shtml

redbaron_99

Do I dare to believe Vidal might be signed by us...?

Spazdarn

Gazetta source is a rag, I'm convinced no one knows anything... but the boards. Just a load of journalist throwing **** at the wall and hoping it sticks in the slight chance they're correct and wear that prediction as some sort of badge of honour.

MagicIRL

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Do I dare to believe Vidal might be signed by us...?

I wouldn't.... yet. It's still very much in the "preparing a bid" (you know, because you gotta' triple check those sums which takes times) or "will bid" or "planning to bid" as opposed to a more concrete "have bid".

J. Marston

Anyone's shirt order still say picking?

brinty

lads, don't get too hyped up yet

i think Woodie is working in the big one still

CR7 is coming home

He's achieved it all at RM so he'wants to come home to Mr Alex and Ed and LVG and RVP

homerjay2005

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Gazetta source is a rag, I'm convinced no one knows anything... but the boards. Just a load of journalist throwing **** at the wall and hoping it sticks in the slight chance they're correct and wear that prediction as some sort of badge of honour.

the main reason ive not got a belief that Vidal will sign for us is the fact that not one normally reliable source has said we are interested in him.

gives me the impression than anything coming out is from Vidals agent who is feeding international press and this is whats driving the story. Nurse, Ogdan and co have official stance that club are denying it, hence why they are not pushing it much, if not at all

Spazdarn

Could be him trying to wrangle another contract extension out of Juve too...

Whatsisname

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Could be him trying to wrangle another contract extension out of Juve too...

He only signed one before the turn of the year, dunno why he'd push for another one

FutureGuy

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Could be him trying to wrangle another contract extension out of Juve too...

Right now, that's the best way to look at it. Wouldn't be the first or last time it has happend to us.

beakerjoe

Whatsisname wrote: »

He only signed one before the turn of the year, dunno why he'd push for another one

Money...cold hard cash

ericzeking

All the Vidal stuff is coming from the Italien side, this is good, I'd say he and his agent want the move but I'm not sure we want him or we are just being very coy about it and keeping our cards close to our chest a la the Herrerra and Shaw deals.

I think Vidal will either be a United player and it'll be done quickly in the next day or 2 or we won't even go for him and just wait for Strootman. I don't believe that we will be turned down if we go for him, we have the money to turn both his and Juventus' head.

I haven't been told this by anyone who I choose to believe or any of that malarkey, it's just me reading between the lines.

duffman13

beakerjoe wrote: »

Money...cold hard cash

He is at the wrong club if he is looking for big money. Bring him to Old Trafford and we will give him all the monies!!!

hufpc8w3adnk65

J. Marston wrote: »

Anyone's shirt order still say picking?

Mine says shipped, I shoulda paid extra for the express postage!

MagicIRL

The Vidal stuff could only be coming out now because 1) he arrived back in training today and 2) had his knee checked out today. Journo's put two and two together and end up with Vidal to United.


Hopefully I'm wrong and he is on the way but... highly doubtful.

Spazdarn

Yeah he's back from his holiday so bound to put more petrol on the fire.

Rubber_Soul

ericzeking wrote: »

All the Vidal stuff is coming from the Italien side, this is good,

Not if it's coming from the Italian version of the Metro.

beakerjoe

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Not if it's coming from the Italian version of the Metro.

Or the Italian version of the Daily Sport.

Cantona's Collars

ericzeking

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Not if it's coming from the Italian version of the Metro.

When I say good I mean it in the sense that we are not blabbing all our business in the press, not neccessarily that the info coming from Italy is 'good' or reliable....

bullvine

zerks wrote: »

Lets start the debate on how he jumped from the sinking ship again :rolleyes:

Spazdarn

I would love to think it was solely because of Moyes, but maybe that's just the Vidic fanboy in me.
He was the only defender in that back four that I really wanted to keep!

TheTownie

So who will be the panic buy target come the end of August?

Schneiderlin maybe? (If still at Southampton by then)

MagicIRL

Schneiderlin would be a great signing :pac:

I think he does a great job in midfield.

Cantona's Collars

ToiletFusion wrote: »

I would love to think it was solely because of Moyes, but maybe that's just the Vidic fanboy in me.
He was the only defender in that back four that I really wanted to keep!

Watched him the other night for Inter,he looked unreal.

TheTownie

MagicIRL wrote: »

Schneiderlin would be a great signing :pac:

I think he does a great job in midfield.

Not saying he wouldn't be although the word panic does give a negative connotation to it. Just speculating as to who would be a target once all this marquee signing nonsense is truly dead.

MagicIRL

zerks wrote: »

Watched him the other night for Inter,he looked unreal.

Easily two good years left in him. Being paired with Rio made him look a lot worse than he was because he was playing both CB positions at any given time! :cool:

Cantona's Collars

MagicIRL wrote: »

Easily two good years left in him. Being paired with Rio made him look a lot worse than he was because he was playing both CB positions at any given time! :cool:

He actually spent most of the time playing LB to cover for Evra going missing.

Vic Vinegar

MagicIRL wrote: »

Easily two good years left in him. Being paired with Rio made him look a lot worse than he was because he was playing both CB positions at any given time! :cool:

zerks wrote: »

He actually spent most of the time playing LB to cover for Evra going missing.

Both of those comments are mostly true!

I'll miss Vidic but not Rio & Evra so much. They're nice guys but they were liabilities.

bangkok

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Both of those comments are mostly true!

I'll miss Vidic but not Rio & Evra so much. They're nice guys but they were liabilities.

and vidic wasn't? seemed to get sent off a lot v Liverpool when things weren't going utds way

Vic Vinegar

bangkok wrote: »

and vidic wasn't? seemed to get sent off a lot v Liverpool when things weren't going utds way

It's effort as well though, Vidic never lacked effort, the other two looked they didn't give a hoot sometimes.

RGDATA!

bangkok wrote: »

and vidic wasn't? seemed to get sent off a lot v Liverpool when things weren't going utds way

we only played liverpool 2/3 times a season, he got sent off in a fraction of the games he played against them.

KombuchaMshroom

bangkok wrote: »

and vidic wasn't? seemed to get sent off a lot v Liverpool when things weren't going utds way

A lot of those sendings off came because Vidic was the only one back because the others went on walk about near the end of the matches, so his only options were to take the red or let a player past him and have a simple goal.
Bar the sending off in the 4-1 defeat at Old Trafford, I thought he was very unfortunate for the others, where he was left in very unlucky situations.

bangkok

imo vidic never came back to the same player he was before he got injured, but in a back 3 I would imagine he could have been suited to it for at least another year same with rio, evra could have been good in that system too, less defensive work more attacking

v3ttel

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i suggest you send daniel taylor a tweet or email then as opposed to having you usual toys out of pram rants at me, something you seem to be obsessed with yourself last few months.

I think I'll just ignore this stuff for the good of the thread.

As regards the rest of the post, I'll let people make up their own minds if you gave any reasonable, logical answers to any of four questions I asked.

Though I will say, both of your posts have started about various people being "obsessed", and they have then all gone on to speak about Woodward. Delicious irony.

v3ttel

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Both of those comments are mostly true!

I'll miss Vidic but not Rio & Evra so much. They're nice guys but they were liabilities.

Same as this. I'd have loved to see Vidic stay at the club. Particularly as the centerpiece of a back three, would be a fantastic role for him.

When you look at how Chelsea used John Terry last season, and how great he still looked at times (despite what we may think of him personally, you have to give the devil his due), I think Vidic can still perform to the same level as him.

Defensively, Mourinho had a great setup around Terry. It protected his weakness and used his strengths. He had protection from Azpilicueta. He had a fairly mobile partner (with Luiz or Cahill). It allowed Terry to do what he does best, tackle, block, head, defend for his life. Vidic has exactly the same qualities.

However, compare that to the way Vidic was exposed with zero cover from Evra, and often left to rely on his weakest attribute (his pace) to do that. Add to that, that he was playing behind a substandard midfield, and paired with Rio, under a manager who didn't seem to have a game plan.

homerjay2005

bullvine wrote: »

Lets start the debate on how he jumped from the sinking ship again :rolleyes:

i think we could have won the league last year and he still would have left - its down to the decision to give only one year rolling contracts to players 32 or over!

he probably would have been given 3 more years anyway, but looks like Inter gave him more money and more stability in terms of contract, so he left.

Coat22

"I made it clear at the time Man United would have to tell me they didn't want me and that happened at the end of season - the club said thank you and goodbye,"

Rio sounding the slightest bit bitter? He was lucky United held onto him as long as they did – any other club would have “suggested” he go about 2 or 3 seasons ago. Fergie didn’t want the headache of building a new centre back pairing so just rumbled on with him despite the fact he was only good for half a season and ineffective for most of that.

homerjay2005

Coat22 wrote: »

"I made it clear at the time Man United would have to tell me they didn't want me and that happened at the end of season - the club said thank you and goodbye,"

Rio sounding the slightest bit bitter? He was lucky United held onto him as long as they did – any other club would have “suggested” he go about 2 or 3 seasons ago. Fergie didn’t want the headache of building a new centre back pairing so just rumbled on with him despite the fact he was only good for half a season and ineffective for most of that.

he had one of his best ever seasons in 12/13, so saying he should have been left go 2 or 3 seasons ago is incorrect.

IrishIrish

Coat22 wrote: »

"I made it clear at the time Man United would have to tell me they didn't want me and that happened at the end of season - the club said thank you and goodbye,"

Rio sounding the slightest bit bitter? He was lucky United held onto him as long as they did – any other club would have “suggested” he go about 2 or 3 seasons ago. Fergie didn’t want the headache of building a new centre back pairing so just rumbled on with him despite the fact he was only good for half a season and ineffective for most of that.

Fergie must have got a massive headache when Rio was in the Team of the season in Fergies last season :rolleyes:

So many peoples opinions of Rio's ability are clouded by their dislike for him. A lot of people look very stupid with some of the comments they come out with in relation to him.

Coat22

IrishIrish wrote: »

Fergie must have got a massive headache when Rio was in the Team of the season in Fergies last season :rolleyes:

So many peoples opinions of Rio's ability are clouded by their dislike for him. A lot of people look very stupid with some of the comments they come out with in relation to him.

His place in the 12/13 TOTY was as much down to the fact there was very little in terms of real competition that season. Add into that the fact that united walked the league and his place is hardly surprising. I’m not saying he wasn’t any use to united for the past 2/3 seasons but he should not have been first choice centre back in a team with Champions League aspirations. I think if someone of a Van Gaal pedigree had come in 3 seasons ago he wouldn’t have lasted as long as he did – in fact I’d say Moyes would have been rid of him last summer but was afraid to rock that particular boat in his first months in charge – bet he regrets that now.

bucketybuck

IrishIrish wrote: »

So many peoples opinions of Rio's ability are clouded by their dislike for him. A lot of people look very stupid with some of the comments they come out with in relation to him.

Agreed. I will never understand how his Twitter comments somehow supercede being one of our greatest ever defenders.

IrishIrish

Coat22 wrote: »

His place in the 12/13 TOTY was as much down to the fact there was very little in terms of real competition that season. Add into that the fact that united walked the league and his place is hardly surprising. I’m not saying he wasn’t any use to united for the past 2/3 seasons but he should not have been first choice centre back in a team with Champions League aspirations. I think if someone of a Van Gaal pedigree had come in 3 seasons ago he wouldn’t have lasted as long as he did – in fact I’d say Moyes would have been rid of him last summer but was afraid to rock that particular boat in his first months in charge – bet he regrets that now.

Yeh Fergie didn't know what he was doing. Thank god we have King Luis to save us now.

Rio was a fantastic defender, and still was 2 seasons ago and named in team of the year. Last year he was poor but the whole team was. Every single player. If Fergie had stayed on last season I would have expected another strong season from Rio.

Spazdarn

IrishIrish wrote: »

Yeh Fergie didn't know what he was doing. Thank god we have King Luis to save us now.

Rio was a fantastic defender, and still was 2 seasons ago and named in team of the year. Last year he was poor but the whole team was. Every single player. If Fergie had stayed on last season I would have expected another strong season from Rio.

One thing is for certain he was extremely poor last season but up until then, he's been unreal.

Coat22

IrishIrish wrote: »

Yeh Fergie didn't know what he was doing. Thank god we have King Luis to save us now.

Rio was a fantastic defender, and still was 2 seasons ago and named in team of the year. Last year he was poor but the whole team was. Every single player. If Fergie had stayed on last season I would have expected another strong season from Rio.

That’s not what I said – Fergie knew how to get the best out of the crew that he had, added RVP and knew he could win a league with one last push but I would bet if he’d been 5 years younger and looking to remain at Unitied that Rio wouldn’t have lasted as long as he did. A makeweight like Moyes was never going to have the balls to deal with the situation but someone LIKE a van Gaal would have. Yes Rio was a class defender and well able for 80% of EPL opposition. But you’re seriously suggesting he was of the standard required to push for champions league success over the past 2 or 3 years? He was effectively past it.

sReq | uTeK

MrMac84 wrote: »

Mine says shipped, I shoulda paid extra for the express postage!

Mine is still in picking, got 1 away 1 home, rooney and mata on both.