Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

MagicIRL

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Zaha has barely kicked a ball for United

How is he a passenger?

If you come in with a 15m price tag and can't get in to the first team, get loaned out to a struggling premier league side, can't get your game their, come back and still can't get a game you're a passanger imo.

TheDoc

FutureGuy wrote: »

I have to agree. I already hear murmurings about the fact that Shaw is not getting alot of gamne time for a 30m player and that maybe LVG doesn't rate him or that maybe he was a Moyes signing.

VG comes out and says he is not fit enough.

It's also possible that Van Gaal knows he is going to be his first choice, and wants to see if he has a viable backup, or needs to go out and get one?

He might be gently breaking him in, you know, the 30m 19 yr old with **** all experience.

I would imagine there would be some cotton gloves when it comes to Shaw, but I think that's a bit ridiculous even remotely signalling, or believing, there might be issues with Shaw.

irishfeen

Don't really understand some peoples views on him commenting on Shaw's fitness ... I'm almost certain he is using it as a weapon to test Shaw's resolve/character ahead of playing in the hardest league in the world. LVG just simply has to find out if he has a lad who is worth the money United paid... If Shaw has anything about him (which he clearly does) he will use this as a motivating factor to push on harder and faster. As I said if Shaw does his business and react well I have no doubt he will be one of the first on LVG's team sheet on the 16th.

LVG has been around the block a few times, he like SAF will know how to push young players buttons to tell if they are a men or boys. Manchester United is no place for a boys temperment.

bangkok

the whole shaw and extra training thing is nothing, I have played that position before and it is one of the toughest most gruelling positions you can play in football with that system. There is nobody behind you and nobody in front of you. the amount of running you have to do is sickening, its non stop up and down at high intensity... extra training will do him good for the season ahead

redbaron_99

Shaw did look a bit leggy against Roma.

TheDoc

bangkok wrote: »

the whole shaw and extra training thing is nothing, I have played that position before and it is one of the toughest most gruelling positions you can play in football with that system. There is nobody behind you and nobody in front of you. the amount of running you have to do is sickening, its non stop up and down at high intensity... extra training will do him good for the season ahead

In before mass accusations that you've never played football

Soldie

bangkok wrote: »

I love the way we have a plan in place for this season formation wise.

3-4-1-2

[...]

as it stands

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de gea

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Smalling----Jones

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Evans

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Valencia

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Shaw

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Herrera

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Fletcher

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Mata

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Rooney

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van Persie

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imo we will def sign a centre back or 2, vermaelan and one other and another midfielder possibly vidal.

exciting times ahead

I think van Gaal is playing the current formation due to the squad's balance issue. He's said he can and will change formation as needed, so I think the way the team is shaping up at the moment is more a reflection on where the squad is strong than it is a plan for the season.

For me the weakest links in the team above are Smalling, Valencia and Fletcher. We'll be in big trouble if they're regulars in our starting eleven over the course of the season. As I see it we need a top-drawer centre-back, a defensive midfielder, a box-to-box midfielder and competition for Rafael as a matter of urgency. Hummels, William Carvalho/de Jong and Vidal would be the business. Not sure about right-back. Blind could also be a good acquisition as he can cover at left-back. I was impressed with him at the World Cup, but admittedly I haven't seen much else of him.

MagicIRL

bangkok wrote: »

the whole shaw and extra training thing is nothing, I have played that position before and it is one of the toughest most gruelling positions you can play in football with that system. There is nobody behind you and nobody in front of you. the amount of running you have to do is sickening, its non stop up and down at high intensity... extra training will do him good for the season ahead

:pac:

CantGetNoSleep

It's starting to look like that Italian DJ was right about Fellaini

newballsplease

bangkok wrote: »

the whole shaw and extra training thing is nothing, I have played that position before and it is one of the toughest most gruelling positions you can play in football with that system. There is nobody behind you and nobody in front of you. the amount of running you have to do is sickening, its non stop up and down at high intensity... extra training will do him good for the season ahead

I dont know why, but i picture you as David Brent saying this !!

CantGetNoSleep

MagicIRL wrote: »

If you come in with a 15m price tag and can't get in to the first team, get loaned out to a struggling premier league side, can't get your game their, come back and still can't get a game you're a passanger imo.

Does Van Gaal have any daughters though?

Macca07

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

It's starting to look like that Italian DJ was right about Fellaini

I think all the papers are using that Italian DJ as their source

homerjay2005

this Shaw story it just prooves the point that players should be in as early as possible to allow the manager to get to know them better, but likewise adjust to the level required of Manchester United.

any player coming in over the coming weeks really is up against it in terms of hitting the ground running.

Maximus Alexander

MagicIRL wrote: »

In his defense, he probably hasn't spoken fluent English in a number of years. Can't imagine their was much spoken when managing Bayern/Barca or Holland :pac: He speaks it very well and will only get better as the season goes on.

Might be my imagination, but his English already seems to have become more free-flowing since his first press conference. Might just need to shake the dust off.

Maximus Alexander

TheDoc wrote: »

In before mass accusations that you've never played football

We all know he played for Torino when they won Serie B back in '01. :pac:

Backstreet Moyes

newballsplease wrote: »

Unless Fellaini is used as a No.10, playing infront of striker to get on end of long balls then there is no place for him. We have Plenty of cover for that position so no room for Fellaini.
Hes not a CM or a def midfielder.

This is what puzzles me did you watch Fellaini when he started out. Everton broke their transfer record for him for his performances as a cm. He was one of the first names on the team sheet for Belgium and Everton as a cm. His best performances have come from playing further forward i won't argue that. But he is a decent cm more than good enough to be kept around. His confidence was tore to shreds last season and it continued into the world cup. If we had decent options than maybe a case could be made but let's look at his competition besides Herrera.

Carrick poor last season and is out for a few months.

Cleverley the last pre season game told you everything. He has no vision, no courage and can't last 70 minutes.

Fletcher while formerly a good player is back from a serious illness and can't play regularly.

Anderson can't keep fit and looks like he is gone.

We are struggling to buy players as it is. Anybody wanting rid of him is blinded by his fee and the fact Moyes brought him in.

ericzeking

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

We all know he played for Torino when they won Serie B back in '01. :pac:

Travelled over with his cousin who was going there to teach English...the cousin stayed on afterwards and has been giving the inside track on Juves transfer activity ever since....

bangkok

newballsplease wrote: »

I dont know why, but i picture you as David Brent saying this !!

who?

homerjay2005

everybody seems to have different expectations for the transfer window, so does anybody care to predict the starting 11 for the swansea game?

would be interesting to gauge just what people think will happen in next 2 weeks.

Macca07

bangkok wrote: »

who?

Maximus Alexander

homerjay2005 wrote: »

everybody seems to have different expectations for the transfer window, so does anybody care to predict the starting 11 for the swansea game?

would be interesting to gauge just what people think will happen in next 2 weeks.

Can't predict the starting line up, but I certainly think it will be 11 players who are already at the club.

bangkok

Nuts102 wrote: »

This is what puzzles me did you watch Fellaini when he started out. Everton broke their transfer record for him for his performances as a cm. He was one of the first names on the team sheet for Belgium and Everton as a cm. His best performances have come from playing further forward i won't argue that. But he is a decent cm more than good enough to be kept around. His confidence was tore to shreds last season and it continued into the world cup. If we had decent options than maybe a case could be made but let's look at his competition besides Herrera.

Carrick poor last season and is out for a few months.

Cleverley the last pre season game told you everything. He has no vision, no courage and can't last 70 minutes.

Fletcher while formerly a good player is back from a serious illness and can't play regularly.

Anderson can't keep fit and looks like he is gone.

We are struggling to buy players as it is. Anybody wanting rid of him is blinded by his fee and the fact Moyes brought him in.

he is not a man utd player end of. he is your typical stoke, west ham, everton player. Playing up near top, long ball into him, chest control or flick on to the striker, elbows flying everywhere, going into tackles studs up, generally causing problems for the opposition but no where near utd standard. Not once last year did he take a ball down, look up and play a single through ball to a striker. His link up play is awful, he is slow, clumsy. I will be happy to see the back of him even if we had paid 10-15m for him

bangkok

homerjay2005 wrote: »

everybody seems to have different expectations for the transfer window, so does anybody care to predict the starting 11 for the swansea game?

would be interesting to gauge just what people think will happen in next 2 weeks.

it will be close to that team I put up earlier. Even if they sign vidal, vermaelen or hummels there is no way any of them will be anywhere near match fitness

Macca07

homerjay2005 wrote: »

everybody seems to have different expectations for the transfer window, so does anybody care to predict the starting 11 for the swansea game?

would be interesting to gauge just what people think will happen in next 2 weeks.

I'd be expecting a starting CB and a starting CM, but I don't know if it'll happen. Could easily end up with 2 squad players.

My 1st 11 would be:
DDG
Val
Shaw
Evans
Jones
New CB
Herrera
New CM
Mata
Roo
RvP

That is going with that Raf won't be fit in time for the start of the season, and 2 1st team players bought, if not, bring in Smalling and Fellaini

adox

bangkok wrote: »

who?

Cantona's Collars

Nuts102 wrote: »

This is what puzzles me did you watch Fellaini when he started out. Everton broke their transfer record for him for his performances as a cm. He was one of the first names on the team sheet for Belgium and Everton as a cm. His best performances have come from playing further forward i won't argue that. But he is a decent cm more than good enough to be kept around. His confidence was tore to shreds last season and it continued into the world cup. If we had decent options than maybe a case could be made but let's look at his competition besides Herrera.

Carrick poor last season and is out for a few months.

Cleverley the last pre season game told you everything. He has no vision, no courage and can't last 70 minutes.

Fletcher while formerly a good player is back from a serious illness and can't play regularly.

Anderson can't keep fit and looks like he is gone.

We are struggling to buy players as it is. Anybody wanting rid of him is blinded by his fee and the fact Moyes brought him in.

Our midfield is like the cast of The Wizard Of Oz;

No Brain,

No Heart,

No Courage.

And Dorothy who just runs around looking lost.

beakerjoe

homerjay2005 wrote: »

everybody seems to have different expectations for the transfer window, so does anybody care to predict the starting 11 for the swansea game?

would be interesting to gauge just what people think will happen in next 2 weeks.

Id have to say I see no new signings before Aug 16th, now its not what Id like, but its what I see happening.

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De Gea

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Jones Evans Smalling

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Valencia

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Shaw

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Herrera Fletcher

---

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Mata

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Welbeck

---

---

RVP

---

Rooney

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This isnt what Id like TBH, but its what I see LVG doing

irishfeen

homerjay2005 wrote: »

everybody seems to have different expectations for the transfer window, so does anybody care to predict the starting 11 for the swansea game?

would be interesting to gauge just what people think will happen in next 2 weeks.

Without 3 decent signings I certainly will be unhappy ... We would not be favourites for 4th IMO without them... This place will explode if things just fizzle out on the transfer front again.

advertsfox

Holy sheet! Verbal agreement for Vidal, priced at $80 million :eek: :eek:

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/its-on-arturo-vidal-has-a-verbal-agreement-with-man-united-ahead-of-80m-move-el-mecurcio/

Zico

irishfeen wrote: »

LVG has been around the block a few times, he like SAF will know how to push young players buttons to tell if they are a men or boys. Manchester United is no place for a boys temperment.

I think there could be a bit of that to saying it publically. There could be alot of responsibility on Shaw this season and if he can't handle a bit of pressure, Van Gaal needs to know before the transfer window shuts.

homerjay2005

im going with the following, though of course the formation may determine 3 center backs as opposed to 2.

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DDG

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---Smalling

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Evans

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Vermaelen
Valencia

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Shaw

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Herrera

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Cleverly

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Mata

---

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RVP

---

Rooney

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i think we will have one player signed before then (Vermaelen) and then one more to come in before deadline day, which is massively disappointing.

bangkok

beakerjoe wrote: »

Id have to say I see no new signings before Aug 16th, now its not what Id like, but its what I see happening.

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De Gea

---

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Jones Evans Smalling

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Valencia

---

Shaw

---

Herrera Fletcher

---

---

Mata

---

Welbeck

---

---

RVP

---

Rooney

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This isnt what Id like TBH, but its what I see LVG doing

another poster putting up a team with 12 players????

only 11 can start a match!!

ericzeking

beakerjoe wrote: »

Id have to say I see no new signings before Aug 16th, now its not what Id like, but its what I see happening.

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De Gea

---

---

Jones Evans Smalling

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Valencia

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Shaw

---

Herrera Fletcher

---

---

Mata

---

Welbeck

---

---

RVP

---

Rooney

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This isnt what Id like TBH, but its what I see LVG doing

You think LVG will get away with playing with 12?!!!! :pac:

Backstreet Moyes

bangkok wrote: »

he is not a man utd player end of. he is your typical stoke, west ham, everton player. Playing up near top, long ball into him, chest control or flick on to the striker, elbows flying everywhere, going into tackles studs up, generally causing problems for the opposition but no where near utd standard. Not once last year did he take a ball down, look up and play a single through ball to a striker. His link up play is awful, he is slow, clumsy. I will be happy to see the back of him even if we had paid 10-15m for him

Are Fletcher, Cleverley and Anderson United players in your opinion. Because that is the other options we have right now.

bangkok

Nuts102 wrote: »

Are Fletcher, Cleverley and Anderson United players in your opinion. Because that is the other options we have right now.

Anderson and cleverly no, fletcher yes

The Moldy Gowl

advertsfox wrote: »

Verbal agreement for Vidal, priced at $80 million! :O

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/its-on-arturo-vidal-has-a-verbal-agreement-with-man-united-ahead-of-80m-move-el-mecurcio/

That's in dollars so that's about 50ish euro?

Exchange rate is 1.3

Maximus Alexander

ericzeking wrote: »

You think LVG will get away with playing with 12?!!!! :pac:

Backstreet Moyes

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De Gea

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Smalling

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Vermalen

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Evans

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---Rafael

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Shaw

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Herrera

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Jones

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Mata

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Rooney

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RVP

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Backstreet Moyes

bangkok wrote: »

Anderson and cleverly no, fletcher yes

This is the Fletcher who can't play regularly due to recovering from an illness. So you would be happy to see Fellaini go when we are left with two players you think are not good enough, a player who can't play regularly, an injured Carrick and Herrara. All with no signs of incoming midfielders. Ye i can see why you will be delighted to see the back of Fellaini.

Cantona's Collars

Reus available for €35 million,we just know he'll join Bayern though despite being one of those "specialist players" LVG needs.

advertsfox

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

That's in dollars so that's about 50ish euro?

Exchange rate is 1.3

Google says 59.3 so €60 million - wow!

Cantona's Collars

Vidal has heard the call:pac:

Mitch Connor

homerjay2005 wrote: »

everybody seems to have different expectations for the transfer window, so does anybody care to predict the starting 11 for the swansea game?

would be interesting to gauge just what people think will happen in next 2 weeks.

---

De Gea
----Jones--Evans--New CB
Raf/Val

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Shaw

---

Herrera-New CM

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Mata

---

Rooney-Welbeck

RVP, Kagawa, Januzaj, Fletcher, Smalling, Cleverley, Amos.

Really have no idea who the feck we are going to sign, but I am very confident that we will get a CM and a CB by the first game. I would say Vermalen is probably going to be the centre back. Midfield.... I have no idea. Vidal, maybe, feck knows. Maybe De Jong.

irishfeen

Zico wrote: »

I think there could be a bit of that to saying it publically. There could be alot of responsibility on Shaw this season and if he can't handle a bit of pressure, Van Gaal needs to know before the transfer window shuts.

That's my exact take on it too - we often hear that under LVG players either love him or hate him - this is a perfect example of how Luke could feel very hard done by being embarresed publicly but on the other hand if he reacts well in the eyes of LVG he will be one of the first names on the team sheet.

homerjay2005

advertsfox wrote: »

Holy sheet! Verbal agreement for Vidal, priced at $80 million :eek: :eek:

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/its-on-arturo-vidal-has-a-verbal-agreement-with-man-united-ahead-of-80m-move-el-mecurcio/

the press outside of the UK are really driving this, this morning. was just talking to my mate who is from Turin and he says that Juve fans are starting to accept that he is leaving.

he also said that it looks like Juve are shaping up to change formation next season to accommodate the departure of Vidal.

MagicIRL

homerjay2005 wrote: »

the press outside of the UK are really driving this, this morning. was just talking to my mate who is from Turin and he says that Juve fans are starting to accept that he is leaving.

he also said that it looks like Juve are shaping up to change formation next season to accommodate the departure of Vidal.

Don't you start now Homer! :pac:

My most international friend lives in England. I'm so un-cultured.

Cantona's Collars

homerjay2005 wrote: »

the press outside of the UK are really driving this, this morning. was just talking to my mate who is from Turin and he says that Juve fans are starting to accept that he is leaving.

he also said that it looks like Juve are shaping up to change formation next season to accommodate the departure of Vidal.

Homerjay with a hint of optimism..............This is ON!!:P

Lucas Hood

zerks wrote: »

Reus available for €35 million,we just know he'll join Bayern though despite being one of those "specialist players" LVG needs.

Wouldn't be so sure, he turned them down when he moved from Gladbach to BVB.

He's not available for €35m till next summer anyway.

Cookiemunster

zerks wrote: »

Reus available for €35 million,we just know he'll join Bayern though despite being one of those "specialist players" LVG needs.

Not till next summer. Buy out clause doesn't kick in till then.

Zico

homerjay2005 wrote: »

everybody seems to have different expectations for the transfer window, so does anybody care to predict the starting 11 for the swansea game?

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DDG

---

Smalling-Jones-Evans

Valencia

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Shaw

---

Herrera-Fletcher-Blind

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Mata

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Rooney-Van Persie