Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

bucketybuck

Coat22 wrote: »

Ferdinand was a fine, fine defender but was he any better than Gary Pallister?

What a strange question. He most certainly was better than Gary Pallister.

Al Capwned

FutureGuy and Hococop.

Legends of the Boards....
Was sitting in a waiting room an hour ago and the haw-haws out of me surely entertained everyone!

The Moldy Gowl

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

And signing De Gea was a mistake because he is a calamitous mess.

Should have signed joe hart

Backstreet Moyes

Ferdinand's positioning and speed meant he was no standout because he rarely got in trouble and needed to make last ditch tackles. It's players like Terry who get caught out and get back with last ditch tackles who look great. Ferdinand was so good he didn't need to make last ditch tackles. One of the greatest defenders of all time.

bullvine

Never liked Rio as a person!

But I had a row with a Liverpool supporting mate a few weeks ago, when I said he was easily in the top 5 in the history of the premier league and arguably the best ever. He said I was talking nonsense but when I asked him who was better, he struggled.

Obviously, John Terry, Sol Campbell, Tony Adams, Stam, Vidic, Carragher would be up there but you can make a strong case for Rio being the best.

bangkok

Nuts102 wrote: »

Ferdinand's positioning and speed meant he was no standout because he rarely got in trouble and needed to make last ditch tackles. It's players like Terry who get caught out and get back with last ditch tackles who look great. Ferdinand was so good he didn't need to make last ditch tackles. One of the greatest defenders of all time.

bang on there.... I think there was a stat a few years ago where Ferdinand had not even committed a foul in over a season in the league!!!!!!!!! he was such a good reader of the game it was scary and he cruised through games. If he was Italian and won a world cup he would have gone down as one of the best defenders of all time

adox

Sell the whole squad I say!!!!!!!:pac:

Coat22

Ok – I give up – Ferdinand was the best defender ever to play for United. Better than Pallister, better than Stam.

I don’t know anyone over 40 who believes that but it’s a matter of opinion so lets move on.

Professional Griefer

bullvine wrote: »

Never liked Rio as a person!

But I had a row with a Liverpool supporting mate a few weeks ago, when I said he was easily in the top 5 in the history of the premier league and arguably the best ever. He said I was talking nonsense but when I asked him who was better, he struggled.

Obviously, John Terry, Sol Campbell, Tony Adams, Stam, Vidic, Carragher would be up there but you can make a strong case for Rio being the best.

Carra better than Rio?

"Im nor avin tha."

bullvine

Professional Griefer wrote: »

Carra better than Rio?

"Im nor avin tha."

I thought best not to leave him out! None of them are better than Rio in fairness.

bangkok

bullvine wrote: »

Never liked Rio as a person!

But I had a row with a Liverpool supporting mate a few weeks ago, when I said he was easily in the top 5 in the history of the premier league and arguably the best ever. He said I was talking nonsense but when I asked him who was better, he struggled.

Obviously, John Terry, Sol Campbell, Tony Adams, Stam, Vidic, Carragher would be up there but you can make a strong case for Rio being the best.

CARRAGHER?????? and yet you didn't name pallister or bruce! :eek:

MagicIRL

Carragher's not even the best Sky Sports pundit let alone Premier League defender.

Maximus Alexander

Coat22 wrote: »

Ok – I give up – Ferdinand was the best defender ever to play for United. Better than Pallister, better than Stam.

I don’t know anyone over 40 who believes that but it’s a matter of opinion so lets move on.

That's probably because people over 40 are set in their ways and think everything was better in their day.

ElChe32

Jamie "We're gunna need Subtitles" Carragher top 5 best defender in the prem ever?

Larry Wildman

I would contend that Jaap Stam was a better defender than Rio Ferdinand.

And I stand by my view that David Beckham's "Galactico" status was based on non-footballing factors.

keane2097

Pallister always seems very underrated to me on these threads.

bullvine

bangkok wrote: »

CARRAGHER?????? and yet you didn't name pallister or bruce! :eek:

I didn't want to give it too strong a United feel.

Larry Wildman

bangkok wrote: »

bang on there.... I think there was a stat a few years ago where Ferdinand had not even committed a foul in over a season in the league!!!!!!!!! he was such a good reader of the game it was scary and he cruised through games. If he was Italian and won a world cup he would have gone down as one of the best defenders of all time

It could also mean that he was a coward.

Maximus Alexander

keane2097 wrote: »

Pallister always seems very underrated to me on these threads.

Well at least now we know you're over 40. :pac:

bullvine

From 06 to 09, Rio was beyond outrageous, easily best on the planet, Phenomenal!

Larry Wildman

keane2097 wrote: »

Pallister always seems very underrated to me on these threads.

It could be related to the age profile.

Pallister was a fantastic defender...if he was a young defender playing for Boro right now, I'd be screaming for us to offer £20m.

adox

keane2097 wrote: »

Pallister always seems very underrated to me on these threads.

He had a dodgy start to his Utd career which may have clouded peoples judgement of him.

Him and Bruce were a perfect partnership.

Backstreet Moyes

Larry Wildman wrote: »

It could also mean that he was a coward.

Ye because he was jumping out of defenders way to not commit fouls what a stupid thing to say. He didn't give away fouls because he didn't need too. Best reader of the game i ever seen.

MagicIRL

Gary, Gary, Gary, Gary Pallister!

Andy Cole, Andy Cole, Andy, Andy Cole...

bangkok

Larry Wildman wrote: »

It could also mean that he was a coward.

haha this has to be one of the best posts I have ever seen!!!!! go home, your drunk

Larry Wildman

Nuts102 wrote: »

Ye because he was jumping out of defenders way to not commit fouls what a stupid thing to say. He didn't give away fouls because he didn't need too. Best reader of the game i ever seen.

Stats can mean any number of things...that's my point

bucketybuck

keane2097 wrote: »

Pallister always seems very underrated to me on these threads.

I don't think he is underrated, most people who watched him are very aware of how brilliant he was but the OP compared him to Ferdinand and unfortunately he just doesn't compare. No shame in that and it doesn't diminish his own status in any way.

bangkok

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Stats can mean any number of things...that's my point

and trophies, lots and lots of trophies

RobertKK

If Steve Bruce in his current condition could run fast, he would flatten the opposition

The Moldy Gowl

Larry Wildman wrote: »

I would contend that Jaap Stam was a better defender than Rio Ferdinand.

And I stand by my view that David Beckham's "Galactico" status was based on non-footballing factors.

Or because be was good at playing?

So madrid and United played him just because he was famous?

Larry Wildman

RobertKK wrote: »

If Steve Bruce in his current condition could run fast, he would flatten the opposition

Like that guy "Juggernaut" in X-Men?

If Steve Bruce could run fast in his current condition, he'd flatten Manhattan...

bangkok

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Or because be was good at playing?

So madrid and United played him just because he was famous?

don't bite, he said originally he was one of the most over rated players ever, then he concluded that he was an excellent player but wouldn't be in the same bracket as pele or maradona!!!!

The Moldy Gowl

bangkok wrote: »

don't bite, he said originally he was one of the most over rated players ever, then he concluded that he was an excellent player but wouldn't be in the same bracket as pele or maradona!!!!

Ya I read all that. I'm queit in work so just want to relive it again.

keane2097

bucketybuck wrote: »

I don't think he is underrated, most people who watched him are very aware of how brilliant he was but the OP compared him to Ferdinand and unfortunately he just doesn't compare. No shame in that and it doesn't diminish his own status in any way.

It's more by people who clearly didn't watch him.

You occasionally get people picking "Best MUFC team of my lifetime" where trying to be hipster or something people pick Bruce over Pallister which is just beyond belief.

I don't really agree that Ferdinand was on a different level to him. Better alright but the comparison is not worthy of the level of scorn it seems to get from teenagers.

Not a big deal anyway, just my 2c, luckily I'm young enough to not trust my opinion on early 90s players as 100% untainted by the passage of time!

Larry Wildman

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Or because be was good at playing?

So madrid and United played him just because he was famous?

Dude, that is not what I'm saying.

Beckham was a superb player. However, in my view his "greatness" has been inflated by his profile and his marketability.There was a point in time when a coterie of Real Madrid players were referred to as "Los Galacticos". Ronaldo, Zidane, Figo and Beckham. In my humble opinion, Beckham's status as a "Galactico" was not based on footballing ability and his name sticks out like a sore thumb alongside the other three.

Larry Wildman

bangkok wrote: »

don't bite, he said originally he was one of the most over rated players ever, then he concluded that he was an excellent player but wouldn't be in the same bracket as pele or maradona!!!!

The lack of logical coherent thought in this place sometimes is astonishing.

Do you realise that someone can be one of the most overrated players of all time and still be an excellent player?

bucketybuck

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Beckham was a superb player. However, in my view his "greatness" has been inflated by his profile and his marketability.

This argument was rubbish the first time you tried it, I don't see much point in trying it again.

Kerrydude1981

MagicIRL wrote: »

Gary, Gary, Gary, Gary Pallister!

Andy Cole, Andy Cole, Andy, Andy Cole...

He gets the ball and scores a goal

Andy Andy Cole!!!

fitzer1982

I'm pulling this from football365 gossip blog:

This is from Rob Dawson of the Manchester Evening News regarding the Arturo Vidal 'transfer'. "I can only tell you what United have told me - and that's not to get too excited about it. They haven't been in contact with the player or with Juventus. They're under the impression the speculation is being driven by the player and his agent."

bullvine

fitze69 wrote: »

I'm pulling this from football365 gossip blog:

This is from Rob Dawson of the Manchester Evening News regarding the Arturo Vidal 'transfer'. "I can only tell you what United have told me - and that's not to get too excited about it. They haven't been in contact with the player or with Juventus. They're under the impression the speculation is being driven by the player and his agent."

I'd say that's pretty accurate!

Larry Wildman

bucketybuck wrote: »

This argument was rubbish the first time you tried it, I don't see much point in trying it again.

It was rubbish in your view.

Unfortunately people in this thread have blind spots in relation to certain players.

The outpourings of love for jokers like Dimitar Berbatov are a prime example, as is this Beckham stuff and as is the Rio Ferdinand stuff.

There's a difference between loyalty and blind loyalty.

newballsplease

Why the f**k havent UTD just made a god dam offer and get him signed up already.


Aaagggggggghhh

fitzer1982

Larry Wildman wrote: »

It was rubbish in your view.

Unfortunately people in this thread have blind spots in relation to certain players.

The outpourings of love for jokers like Dimitar Berbatov are a prime example, as is this Beckham stuff and as is the Rio Ferdinand stuff.

There's a difference between loyalty and blind loyalty.

It's not a difference between loyalty and blind loyalty, it's just a difference of opinion between you and others. I'm more partial to certain players from the 90's because that's when I really got into supporting United, I'm sure others are the same about the 70's or 00's etc.

bucketybuck

Its insane how similar this summer is to last summer, we are doing the exact same bull**** all over again, don't know how more people can't see it. Horribly depressing as far as I am concerned.

Here's a very likely line up for our first game, in only two weeks time.

DeGea
Smalling
Evans
Jones
Shaw
Valencia
Cleverley
Herrera
Mata
Rooney
Van Persie

After all the hope and expectation that finally we might fix our problems that is the side we look to be starting the season with.

TheTownie

newballsplease wrote: »

Why the f**k havent UTD just made a god dam offer and get him signed up already.


Aaagggggggghhh

As I said yesterday, IMO its all being peddled by Vidal's camp and the situation has been exacerbated by Utd's lack of signings since signing Shaw and a CEO telling people to 'watch this space'.

If Utd got their finger out and signed a player or two, the Vidal nonsense wouldn't be half as bad.

The Moldy Gowl

Larry Wildman wrote: »

It was rubbish in your view.

Unfortunately people in this thread have blind spots in relation to certain players.

The outpourings of love for jokers like Dimitar Berbatov are a prime example, as is this Beckham stuff and as is the Rio Ferdinand stuff.

There's a difference between loyalty and blind loyalty.

Ya a blind spot of looking past what he does off the field and can see what he can do on the field.

You are just getting worked up about how he became famous and what he has done for himself, you just want to begrudge him.

If Madrid had so many star names that could sell papers, why would they need to buy Beckham when they already had the players that sold shirts and papers?

Beckham was only big in the Media in England, a bit like Rooney.

Madrid didnt need to sell papers in England or branch out in England because they werent known.

Cypher_sounds

Wonder where chicharito will end up, looks like he could well leave before the season starts. A swap deal with Hummels would be ideal but that won't happen.

TimeToShine

Hococop wrote: »

Say the line Futureguy

stankratz wrote: »

Future Guy at this moment...

FutureGuy wrote: »

We are not signing Arturo Vidal. Go to bed lads.

Hococop wrote: »

This series of posts deserves so, so much more credit than it got.

Larry Wildman

TheTownie wrote: »

As I said yesterday, IMO its all being peddled by Vidal's camp and the situation has been exacerbated by Utd's lack of signings since signing Shaw and a CEO telling people to 'watch this space'.

If Utd got their finger out and signed a player or two, the Vidal nonsense wouldn't be half as bad.

To what end?

His contract was renewed pretty recently.

Because of FFP, others seem hamstrung.

If it'd a "come get me" plea, then why don't we just do it?! If we don't want him, that's worrying.

Mitch Connor

If United aren't after Vidal (and WHY THE FECK NOT??) then who are we after? Surely LVG can't think the midfield options we have are good enough? The guy can't be that stupid, can he?