Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

Robson99

Good to see LVG putting the swagger back into the way we are playing. Good tempo to our game and passing much crisper and movement much better than last year.
However IMO the downside to the improvement in our game may mean fewer players being brought in. We need a top class center half and we need a Vidal or Schweinstiger. I would not be getting carried away with the performances of Young or Fletcher. If they are first choice players for us this season then then 4th place is our only realistic target.

Kagawa

Just seen that Vidal is on the plane to Juve's tour, I assume that means in all likelihood that the deal won't happen. I'd prefer if Utd concentrated on other targets now instead of wasting time on Vidal, same as Fabregas last summer

Lord TSC

Kagawa wrote: »

Just seen that Vidal is on the plane to Juve's tour, I assume that means in all likelihood that the deal won't happen. I'd prefer if Utd concentrated on other targets now instead of wasting time on Vidal, same as Fabregas last summer

Plenty of our players on tour could be off soon. Not a one way ticket to Asia...

Kagawa

Lord TSC wrote: »

Plenty of our players on tour could be off soon. Not a one way ticket to Asia...

True, good point, getting weary of the Vidal saga at this stage!

irishfeen

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Dare I say it, the results in the US and our style of play could help to attract signings...if Arturo Vidal is sitting in Turin thinking "it's an attractive offer but I'm just not sure" and then he sees that, it's gotta be helpful.

They get a lot of grief on these pages, but credit where credit is due - Fair play to the Glazers and Woodward for whacking Moyes when they did. It would have been very easy to lurch on with a misguided sense of "we're Manchester United...we're not a sacking club".

That's exactly what I was thinking too while watching on last night - certainly seems to be a very good buzz around the squad now and it very much looking like the foundations are being set for future success.

FutureGuy

DDG
Raf/Val Jones Evans Smalling Shaw
Herrera Fletcher
Mata
Rooney Van Persie

If we had to start the season with that team I wouldn't be unhappy.

GSPfan

Can we all agree to leave the Moyes comparisons out of the forum for a while. I know its a relevant topic but i think we all know the Moyes experiment failed and pointing it out in every post just feels a bit like twisting the knife.

adox

GSPfan wrote: »

Can we all agree to leave the Moyes comparisons out of the forum for a while. I know its a relevant topic but i think we all know the Moyes experiment failed and pointing it out in every post just feels a bit like twisting the knife.

I know where you are coming from but considering the writing off of nearly the whole squad by some on here post Moyes I think it's pretty pertinent to point out that a lot of the players are actually pretty good.

FutureGuy

GSPfan wrote: »

Can we all agree to leave the Moyes comparisons out of the forum for a while. I know its a relevant topic but i think we all know the Moyes experiment failed and pointing it out in every post just feels a bit like twisting the knife.

Agreed. I'm too excited about the team to even think about last year. You could see many of the players were going against their instinct under Moyes but that's done with now.

Onwards and upwards.

Lord TSC

GSPfan wrote: »

Can we all agree to leave the Moyes comparisons out of the forum for a while. I know its a relevant topic but i think we all know the Moyes experiment failed and pointing it out in every post just feels a bit like twisting the knife.

For me,it's near impossible to avoid comparisons, both in terms of contrast of managerial styles. and in terms of how many people have been saying how this summer is identical to last. For all people have spent the last few days crying doom, the reality is the pre-season tour has created many reasons to be optamistic compared to last year.

Adamcp898

FutureGuy wrote: »

DDG
Raf/Val Jones Evans Smalling Shaw
Herrera Fletcher
Mata
Rooney Van Persie

If we had to start the season with that team I wouldn't be unhappy.

Injuries are the problem though. Some of those players are arguably not good enough to be considered first choice as it is, never mind the fact that 3 of our back 3/5 are liable to be injured at any one time and there's damn all to replace them. And does anyone really believe that Darren Fletcher will play 30/40 games year? never mind at consistently good level, likewise for his alternatives.

Don't mean to be a grouch but we've had great individual/team pre-seasons before that have deflated once the season got under way. We beat a good side last night yes, but one which is purposely behind us in terms of pre-season prep and fitness. No point in getting too carried away with it.

Maximus Alexander

Another thing to bear in mind though is that, barring last year, United often look incredible in pre-season but rarely carry the same free-flowing, effortless style into the league for whatever reason.

I'm loving what I'm seeing, but I'm making an effort not to let myself get too exited.

thelad95

FutureGuy wrote: »

DDG
Raf/Val Jones Evans Smalling Shaw
Herrera Fletcher
Mata
Rooney Van Persie

If we had to start the season with that team I wouldn't be unhappy.

To be fair, thats a solid starting XI but what happens if we get a few injuries at the back. We have ZERO cover for left-back so we have to depend on a 19 year old all season. Can we really depend on guys like Keane, James and Blackett to step up if/when we inevitably get a few injuries?

GSPfan

I fully agree with the content of all the Moyes posts. I just feel like a lot of it is repetitive and doesn't need to be reiterated so much. As FutureGuy said it just reminds me of last season and that's something I would rather not be reminded of.

Its also only pre-season so I'm a bit cautious in proclaiming LVG's reign as a massive success in comparison to Moyes.

Ordinary man

thelad95 wrote: »

To be fair, thats a solid starting XI but what happens if we get a few injuries at the back. We have ZERO cover for left-back so we have to depend on a 19 year old all season. Can we really depend on guys like Keane, James and Blackett to step up if/when we inevitably get a few injuries?

Young played there last night and was very good He could actually be ahead of shaw in the picking based on what they have done so far

Larry Wildman

GSPfan wrote: »

Can we all agree to leave the Moyes comparisons out of the forum for a while. I know its a relevant topic but i think we all know the Moyes experiment failed and pointing it out in every post just feels a bit like twisting the knife.

Is that you David?

user2011

Have to admit that Fletcher is making me eat humble pie. He has looked right back at his best.

Also would of loved to have seen Scholes in this set up noticing a lot of space for midfielders to get shots off when the ball breaks lose around the box. Hopefully the lads start taking the opportunities that fall their way and not second guessing themselves what to do.

Any word on Danny how bad the strain/pull was last night? And RVP missing the start of the season

Thecon21

That pass from Kagawa, wow.. Such a delicate L1/LB Triangle/Y over the top..

user2011

Anyone see this? Marca supposedly "whitening" the crowd.. If true

Lord TSC

Ordinary man wrote: »

Young played there last night and was very good He could actually be ahead of shaw in the picking based on what they have done so far

Could see Young being more attack minded (so better against teams who park the bus) and Shaw used more defensively (for when teams are pushing against United). But yeah, looks like Young could be a back up option for LVG.

Not, mind, that I wouldn't like to see a CB coming in who could cover LB. Just that a dedicated LB backup option might not be as high a priority as previously thought.

CB is the one position we desperately need players in (for cover) right now, and LVG has already said we're working towards that end.

Robson99

Ordinary man wrote: »

Young played there last night and was very good He could actually be ahead of shaw in the picking based on what they have done so far

There is no comparison between young and Shaw. Young is an average winger who has looked good in a few meaningless friendlies. Shaw is an international attack minded fullback who was one of the best players in the pl last year. We are cooked if Young is playing ahead of Shaw when the season starts

lordgoat

Robson99 wrote: »

There is no comparison between young and Shaw. Young is an average winger who has looked good in a few meaningless friendlies. Shaw is an international attack minded fullback who was one of the best players in the pl last year. We are cooked if Young is playing ahead of Shaw when the season starts

Shaw has been shocking Preseason, gives the ball away far too often. Young on the other hand has been excellent. Based on current form Young is going to start. This isn't last season and LVG will be giving places out on form I think.

beno619

Robson99 wrote: »

There is no comparison between young and Shaw. Young is an average winger who has looked good in a few meaningless friendlies. Shaw is an international attack minded fullback who was one of the best players in the pl last year. We are cooked if Young is playing ahead of Shaw when the season starts

I'll wait and see how LVG sees things if Young starts ahead of Shaw he'll be there on merit.

v3ttel

Robson99 wrote: »

There is no comparison between young and Shaw. Young is an average winger who has looked good in a few meaningless friendlies. Shaw is an international attack minded fullback who was one of the best players in the pl last year. We are cooked if Young is playing ahead of Shaw when the season starts

I completely agree with the point.

Although, whilst the result of friendlies doesn't contribute the actual season, saying preparation is "meaningless" is completely wrong.

We beat Real Madrid, without a number of players, who looked a mile behind us in terms of fitness. The key thing that most of us took away, is the very encouraging football we played at times. The move for Young's goal was a thing of beauty. We had two similar moves vs Inter.

It didn't look like we were capable of that if we played against 11 traffic cones last season. Preparation is the most important part of being successful.

Vic Vinegar

v3ttel wrote: »

It didn't look like we were capable of that if we played against 11 traffic cones last season.

I lol'd at this.

So true though!

Ordinary man

The position of wingback is a lot different to a full back and shaw seems to need time to adjust to it. Another worry would be how rafael can adjust considering how little he has played.

MagicIRL

lordgoat wrote: »

Shaw has been shocking Preseason, gives the ball away far too often. Young on the other hand has been excellent. Based on current form Young is going to start. This isn't last season and LVG will be giving places out on form I think.

Shaw was excellent when he came on last night. Calling his preseason shocking is a complete stretch.

Vic Vinegar

Ordinary man wrote: »

The position of wingback is a lot different to a full back and shaw seems to need time to adjust to it. Another worry would be how rafael can adjust considering how little he has played.

I think with Shaw it's a fitness thing, once he gets up to speed he'll nail down the role. Young is in better shape now is all.

Mikeyt086

MagicIRL wrote: »

Shaw was excellent when he came on last night. Calling his preseason shocking is a complete stretch.

+1 Shaw was much better last night.

Rayne Wooney

RVP and Rooney playing in front of Mata is going to be a thing of beauty

KH25

Ordinary man wrote: »

The position of wingback is a lot different to a full back and shaw seems to need time to adjust to it. Another worry would be how rafael can adjust considering how little he has played.

I think Raf is well equipped for it. He is very good going forward, which is very easy to see when Jones or Smalling are played at RB. Also Raf has done a lot of the attacking down the right in the past 2 seasons due to Valencia passing it back/waiting for the overlap/being generally gash.

Backstreet Moyes

Ordinary man wrote: »

The position of wingback is a lot different to a full back and shaw seems to need time to adjust to it. Another worry would be how rafael can adjust considering how little he has played.

Rafael is probably the person who will benefit most from this new position it is perfect for him.

Pro. F

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

This is the same stadium a few years ago for its first ever night time game when Notre Dame visited Michigan. It was an amazing game and the atmosphere, even through the TV, was something I've never seen before.

http://www.michiganreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Michigan-stadium-night-game-52.jpg

I watched that game. Iirc somebody (maybe you) posted a link to a video of it on the AF forum. It still remains the only college football game I've watched. Incredible game and atmosphere.

redalan

irishfeen wrote: »

That's exactly what I was thinking too while watching on last night - certainly seems to be a very good buzz around the squad now and it very much looking like the foundations are being set for future success.

The greatest gift that Moyes bestowed was that all the 'badness' occurred in one season and there was not doubt as to his suitability. Had he got fifth, United might have taken a chance for another season.

United have one of football's big beasts in charge and this season will be excellent fun.

Pro. F

I'd still worry about Young and Valencia's ability to defend at the back post and to cover and mark when midfielders are doing the closing in front of them. They haven't been tested that much yet and they will be if they're still second choice during the season.

irishfeen

Only 8 people in for yermandan pay United Fantasy Football league - Any more takers lads and ladies, tis only €10-

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91545602&postcount=3927

BKtje

I'll join in this week, haven't been home much due to work but should get signed up this week.

irishfeen

And remember lads yermandan giving 10% of the pot to charity so the more the merrier to help out people less fortunate then ourselves.

RichFTW

irishfeen wrote: »

Only 8 people in for yermandan pay United Fantasy Football league - Any more takers lads and ladies, tis only €10-

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91545602&postcount=3927

I'm already in a league where you pay anywhere from €100-200 if you finish outside the top 4 so the freebie one will do me!

irishfeen

RichFTW wrote: »

I'm already in a league where you pay anywhere from €100-200 if you finish outside the top 4 so the freebie one will do me!

Haha yeah I think you get away with it rich best of luck in it BTW

yermandan

Thanks for the reminder IrishFeen!!!



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Adamocovic

yermandan wrote: »

Thanks for the reminder IrishFeen!!!



Boards.ie Utd Superthread FF League 14/15 -

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PM me for my email address (PayPal) and the code - For super serious paid league with 10% going to charity

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When's the deadline to enter?

irishfeen

yermandan wrote: »

Thanks for the reminder IrishFeen!!!



Boards.ie Utd Superthread FF League 14/15 -

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PM me for my email address (PayPal) and the code - For super serious paid league with 10% going to charity

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I just logged in to see what I could do with the team so I checked and expected a lot more people - Jesus Christ it will be hard to even to have a few United players in there ... Price of players seem to have gone mad.

GSPfan

This is a completely weird topic but I am starting to think the Chevrolet logo looks odd because its clashing with the yellow in the club crest.

I would love an updated crest brought in next season to coincide with the Adidas deal. Woodward has mentioned it in the past regarding the "football club" words being reinstated.

Pro. F

GSPfan wrote: »

This is a completely weird topic but I am starting to think the Chevrolet logo looks odd because its clashing with the yellow in the club crest.

I think it clashes all right. Also the 3d type affect with the shadows and highlights makes it really stand out. We've been lucky with plain white logos for years, pity that's over now.

GSPfan

Here's a crest someone created. If you lost the stars on top and added in the football club words somewhere i think it would be a respectful upgrade.

Lucas Hood

Get rid of them stars for a start, we don't want to be like city having stars just for decoration.

Will I Amnt

irishfeen wrote: »

And remember lads yermandan giving 10% of the pot to charity so the more the merrier to help out people less fortunate then ourselves.

Charity CE's tend to be a lot more fortunate than me anyway :pac:

sky88

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

RVP and Rooney playing in front of Mata is going to be a thing of beauty

Im going to the swansea match and this was one of the things i was looking forward a bit gutted it looks like i wont get to see three of them

irishfeen

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Charity CE's tend to be a lot more fortunate than me anyway :pac:

Now now behave yourself