Bookie for The Carpenter

daymobrew

A planning application to add a bookmaker to The Carpenter was submitted last Friday.

FW14A/0084
18-Jul-2014
Permission


Applicant: Alpine Taverns Ltd

Location: The Carpenter Public House, Carpenterstown Road, Dublin 15

Proposed Development:
The development will consist of a new two storey block comprising ground floor store (55 sq.m), betting office (114 sq.m) and first floor retail unit (83 sq.m).

Elegant Elliot Offen

Why on earth would a betting shop locate near an establishment that is frequented by intoxicated people.

rockatansky

Elegant Elliot Offen wrote: »

Why on earth would a betting shop locate near an establishment that is frequented by intoxicated people.

For the very reason that their customers are intoxicated.

Shame really, seems to me that betting shops next to pubs generally brings with it a steady stream of tracksuit clad clientele going back and forth between races. I like the Carpenter as a pub, would hate to see it go the way of the Clonsilla Inn.

eviltwin

Seems to be the new thing, there is one in The Bell a while now I think.

Arciphel

Yeah, was just going to post that there's one next to The Bell. I suppose it's nothing new really, in the old days you would have had the pub and the bookies there close to each other on the high street, but I think it a place like where The Carpenter is it's kind of in the middle of a residential neighbourhood, and there on its own except for what else, the Macaris chipper? Is Xtra-Vision still open? Haven't been down that way in a long while....

Gaspode

Bookies and pubs have been located beside each other for donkey's years, and in residential areas too. Nothing new here at all, just good business sense. Not to everyones taste but there's enough suckers out there will be happy to see this development.

Dravokivich

Arciphel wrote: »

Yeah, was just going to post that there's one next to The Bell. I suppose it's nothing new really, in the old days you would have had the pub and the bookies there close to each other on the high street, but I think it a place like where The Carpenter is it's kind of in the middle of a residential neighbourhood, and there on its own except for what else, the Macaris chipper? Is Xtra-Vision still open? Haven't been down that way in a long while....

Spar have a vending machine for extra vision. There's a cafe in its place now.

folan

sorry, the link isnt opening for me.

is the bookies to be built and attached to the Carpenter? or extending it around the offie or something? or put further down, past insomnia (between it and the doctors offices)?

jhammer

Elegant Elliot Offen wrote: »

Why on earth would a betting shop locate near an establishment that is frequented by intoxicated people.

Nobody getting the sarcasm then?

dodzy

jhammer wrote: »

Nobody getting the sarcasm then?

No guarantee it was intended. Some very straigh-laced folk around these parts:D

StoptheClocks

There is a bookies attached to the greyhound too. The pub is closed but the bookies is going strong.

oblivious

Gaspode wrote: »

Bookies and pubs have been located beside each other for donkey's years, and in residential areas too. Nothing new here at all, just good business sense. Not to everyones taste but there's enough suckers out there will be happy to see this development.

It is at a secondary schools entrance, impressionable youths and all

Murt10

oblivious wrote: »

It is at a secondary schools entrance, impressionable youths and all

I think the bookies are fairly strict on letting underage people.

Anyway, if the wanted to bet they would do it online and get better odds from there than what a single bookmaker chain can offer.

Gaspode

If you think about it a bookies is hardly any different to having a pub next to the school - they are both just a means of parting suckers from their money!
Seriously though I'm not sure that their proximity to a school makes a big difference to the likelihood that a young person will drink or gamble, would be interesting to see if there is some research data on that.

Arciphel

The only research that I have seen seems to suggest that the closer you live to gambling venues/equipment such as poker machines, the more likely you are to develop or relapse into a gambling problem.
In Australia, they estimated that each poker machine in a venue represents 0.8 of a problem gambling individual (i.e. 100 machines will be assocayed with 80 people with gambling problems).



There is also a very strong correlation between the proximity of the betting establishment to your home and the frequency of your visits.



The study concluded that "Neighbourhood access to opportunities for gambling is related to gambling and problem gambling behaviour, and contributes substantially to neighbourhood inequalities in gambling over and above-individual level characteristics."

Another American study on placement of casinos available here notes that "There is wide perception among community leaders that indebtedness tends to increase as does youth crime, forgery and credit card theft, domestic violence, child neglect, problem gambling, and alcohol/drug offenses".