Is this the most f**ed up the world has been in years?

catallus

They were a great bunch of lads.

Calibos

who_me wrote: »

Well, aviation has certainly become more deadly in the last century or so...

Nonsense. Aviation more than a hundred years ago had a 100% fatality rate.

For Forks Sake

BeerWolf wrote: »

I miss the days of the inquisition... Good times - often had the lads warming up people's feet in the cold weather. Oh, and them chairs... great treat if you like acupuncture! Even comes heated sometimes... just the so few examples of the many, lovely stuff.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition

floggg

eviltimeban wrote: »

Recent years. Not "ever".

Rwandan genocide, Yugoslavian genocide, the collapse of the DR Congo and subsequent violent clashes, ethnic cleansing, mass rapes, Central African Republic, chad, Darfur, East Timor, East Asian tsunami, Fukushima, the collapse of Somalia and rise of Islamic extremists there, Arab spring and subsequent depressions, war in Georgia, oppression in Burma and North Korea, the rise of narco gangs in Central America and Mexico, aids pandemic, SARS and bird flu, sectarian violence in the Indian sub continent, the Iraq war and subsequent civil wars, the afghan war, rise of Islamic militants in North west Africa, Arabian peninsula and Middle East, the collapse of Zimbabwe, famines in Africa, climate change, mass shootings, 9/11, Oklahoma bombing, omagh bombing ....

I could go on. All in the last 20 - 30 years.

The world isn't getting any worse. You just have more access to information and a short attention span.

Icepick

It's actually the most peaceful and safest it has ever been.

Rough Sleeper

floggg wrote: »

Rwandan genocide, Yugoslavian genocide, the collapse of the DR Congo and subsequent violent clashes, ethnic cleansing, mass rapes, Central African Republic, chad, Darfur, East Timor, East Asian tsunami, Fukushima, the collapse of Somalia and rise of Islamic extremists there, Arab spring and subsequent depressions, war in Georgia, oppression in Burma and North Korea, the rise of narco gangs in Central America and Mexico, aids pandemic, SARS and bird flu, sectarian violence in the Indian sub continent, the Iraq war and subsequent civil wars, the afghan war, rise of Islamic militants in North west Africa, Arabian peninsula and Middle East, the collapse of Zimbabwe, famines in Africa, climate change, mass shootings, 9/11, Oklahoma bombing, omagh bombing ....

I could go on. All in the last 20 - 30 years.

The world isn't getting any worse. You just have more access to information and a short attention span.

Forward-slash thread.

Everlong1

donegal__road wrote: »

in 1927, the world population hit the 2 billion milestone... today the world population is 7.2 billion.

The more people there are, the more messed up things will get.



Interesting graph showing how the world's population has increased as technology advances.

You've been watching Utopia, haven't you? Me too. Brilliant series.

Spring Onion

eviltimeban wrote: »

*edit: recent years.

Syria (ongoing).

Girls gang raped and killed in India, and kidnapped in Nigeria.

MH370 goes missing (presumed crashed).

Gaza conflict.

MH17 shot down.

Taipei plane crash yesterday.

If this thread was started anywhere outside Ireland I imagine 800 babies in an unmarked grave would be on the list...

Bog Standard User

cloud493 wrote: »

As someone already pointed out, constant 24 hour updates of news means they have to either dig out new stuff, or keep repeating the same stuff over and over Obsessively until a Royal Family member farts then its all we love the royals this n that. See sky news.

fixed your post

floggg

Spring Onion wrote: »

If this thread was started anywhere outside Ireland I imagine 800 babies in an unmarked grave would be on the list...

Who died of natural causes over a number of years

In other parts of the world there are unmarked graves of people who died from a bullet or a machete in a matter of days if not hours.

Perspective people. We are amongst the luckiest people ever to live to be able to live in Ireland in 2014.

Edit - not downplaying that appalling story. I'm just saying in the grand scale of things it's not half as bad as some of the horrible things people have done.

eviltimeban

floggg wrote: »

Rwandan genocide, Yugoslavian genocide, the collapse of the DR Congo and subsequent violent clashes, ethnic cleansing, mass rapes, Central African Republic, chad, Darfur, East Timor, East Asian tsunami, Fukushima, the collapse of Somalia and rise of Islamic extremists there, Arab spring and subsequent depressions, war in Georgia, oppression in Burma and North Korea, the rise of narco gangs in Central America and Mexico, aids pandemic, SARS and bird flu, sectarian violence in the Indian sub continent, the Iraq war and subsequent civil wars, the afghan war, rise of Islamic militants in North west Africa, Arabian peninsula and Middle East, the collapse of Zimbabwe, famines in Africa, climate change, mass shootings, 9/11, Oklahoma bombing, omagh bombing ....

I could go on. All in the last 20 - 30 years.

The world isn't getting any worse. You just have more access to information and a short attention span.

Or you could just list "all the things that happened".

floggg

eviltimeban wrote: »

Or you could just list "all the things that happened".

That's nowhere near all.

The world has always been, and always be ****ed up.

The only difference is more people suddenly take notice of these things now that their favourite celebrity retweets a bad news story.

So needless to say I think the original premise of this thread was not very well thought out.

Spring Onion

floggg wrote: »

Who died of natural causes over a number of years

Says who?

DublinWriter

floggg wrote: »

Who died of natural causes over a number of years

Wow - I must have missed that speedy tribunal of enquiry!

No Pants

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Dont forget the plague outbreak.

When something is called "The Black Death", you know it is serious.

floggg

DublinWriter wrote: »

Wow - I must have missed that speedy tribunal of enquiry!

I will admit I didn't follow the story too closely. I had understood though that it wasn't being suggested these babies were killed/murdered - more a case of poor care and disrespectful burial practice.

By natural causes I therefore "not murdered" though I would not preclude neglect or mistreatment as a cause in a number of the deaths.

I don't think anybody has suggested though that we have 800 murders on our hands though (correct me if I'm wrong).

COYVB

The world is safer than it's ever been, generally speaking

Dangel4x4

eviltimeban wrote: »

*edit: recent years.

Syria (ongoing).

Girls gang raped and killed in India, and kidnapped in Nigeria.

MH370 goes missing (presumed crashed).

Gaza conflict.

MH17 shot down.

Taipei plane crash yesterday.

You are safer now than at any point in the last 2-3000 years.

Don't let the bad stuff keep you awake at night

Lapin

eviltimeban wrote: »

*edit: recent years.

Syria (ongoing).

Girls gang raped and killed in India, and kidnapped in Nigeria.

MH370 goes missing (presumed crashed).

Gaza conflict.

MH17 shot down.

Taipei plane crash yesterday.

Unfortunately there is nothing exclusively 'recent' about incidents like these.

Spring Onion

floggg wrote: »

I will admit I didn't follow the story too closely. I had understood though that it wasn't being suggested these babies were killed/murdered - more a case of poor care and disrespectful burial practice.

By natural causes I therefore "not murdered" though I would not preclude neglect or mistreatment as a cause in a number of the deaths.

I don't think anybody has suggested though that we have 800 murders on our hands though (correct me if I'm wrong).

The mortality rates were very high. There are allegations of "dying rooms" and deliberate neglect, specifically for the less 'sellable' or 'adoptable' babies in all mother and baby homes. Hopefully the inquiry will get to the bottom of those allegations and the high mortality rate. And I haven't even mentioned the forced drug trials.

Gandalph

Has anyone mentioned Miley Cyrus or the music yet?

wicklowstevo

im sure some one has pointed it out already but its not the stuff going on in the last few months its the way the media is reporting it, 24/7 in your face , a lot of the stories they sprout are utter brain retarding bottom water, garath brooks etc .

unfortunate case is that wars and murder happen every day every where just because some window licker tweets about it doesnt make it better or worse .

eviltimeban

Gandalph wrote: »

Has anyone mentioned Miley Cyrus or the music yet?

Its true, music is terrible these days. And not just the pop stuff.

Thankfully I don't follow any celebrities on Twitter. I barely use it.

Adamantium

Mandatory

His bit about how long it would take to cross the USA at the end, really puts it in perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEY58fiSK8E

eviltimeban

Saw that before. Yes Louis CK is great and often nails it. (though his show has taken a slightly more depressing tone recently, even more than usual, hasn't it?)

Perhaps it is a media thing. After all, these sort of 'global events' are bound to take up the newspaper space during the 'silly season'. Though there's nothing silly about what's going on.

Also, esp with the MH disaster, we had journalists traipsing around the wreckage and photos of bodies, luggage etc; which you don't normally see so clearly as those sites are usually cordoned off asap.

It just seems the last month or so has been pretty f**ked up. I know its a nice day and I will probably go to the beach this weekend and forget all about it, but there you go. It is what it is.

The One Doctor

eviltimeban wrote: »

*edit: recent years.

Syria (ongoing).

Girls gang raped and killed in India, and kidnapped in Nigeria.

MH370 goes missing (presumed crashed).

Gaza conflict.

MH17 shot down.

Taipei plane crash yesterday.

Not a single thing in that list affects you. If you want your world to be less fcuked up just don't read/watch the news. It's a simple and cheap solution.

Fighting Irish

eviltimeban wrote: »

*edit: recent years.

Syria (ongoing).

Girls gang raped and killed in India, and kidnapped in Nigeria.

MH370 goes missing (presumed crashed).

Gaza conflict.

MH17 shot down.

Taipei plane crash yesterday.

not even nearly, bad things happen around the world all the time(you might not here about them on rte but they happen)

eviltimeban

The One Doctor wrote: »

Not a single thing in that list affects us. Are you trolling or just haven't got a clue about history?

Wow. Empathy for your fellow man much?

Pumpkinseeds

The Crusades
The Inquisition
The Plague
The famine
The great depression
World wars 1 and 2

eviltimeban

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

The Crusades
The Inquisition
The Plague
The famine
The great depression
World wars 1 and 2

Not getting the point of "recent years".

youtube!

It's a 2 edged sword. I mean we don't have to deal with the likes of Smallpox or the Plague anymore but enviromentally we are literally ****ed!

jelenka

Well this year is certainly getting worse day after day. Another passenger plane crashed somewhere in Africa.

Adamantium

Fighting Irish wrote: »

not even nearly, bad things happen around the world all the time(you might not here about them on rte but they happen)

The unfortunate truth that we all know secretly, is that Nature ABHORS equality and we're part of it too.

What about all the lesser known parts of the world, China, Most of Africa and Asia, Micronesia. Like a quarter of the world's population in Micronesia, we'd be foolish to think that all we see is, all that it's important and worthwhile reporting.

Pumpkinseeds

eviltimeban wrote: »

Not getting the point of "recent years".

Is it not a matter of relativity :P

Harry Palmr

In 1977 two Boeing 747s collided on the runaway at Tenerife - nearly 600 died - still the most fatal aviation related incident. Back then, like F1 deaths, you could reckon on a few big crashes every year. 1985 was the high water mark with three major incidents killing 1100 people

Fewer fatalities now than any time since the 1960s when just a fraction of today's traffic was in the air

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_accidents_and_incidents#mediaviewer/File:ACRO_fatalities_1918-2009.svg

The_Valeyard

Hmmm.


I think the 20th century wins hands down with worst recent period ever. I would go even further and say that what we are experiencing today, no matter how horrible it is, and it does suck, is nothing compared to the first half of 20th century in general.

WW1
Spanish Flu (almost forgotten by history, much to our detriment)
Armenian Genocide
Greek genocide
Russian Civil War
Rise of Communism
Soviet Famine
Rise of Fascism
Spanish Civil War
WW2
Atomic Warfare
Holocaust
Bengal Famine
Division of Europe
Cold War
Middle East


And lets not get started on the next fifty years!!!

Harry Palmr

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Hmmm.


I think the 20th century wins hands down with worst recent period ever. I would go even further and say that what we are experiencing today, no matter how horrible it is, and it does suck, is nothing compared to the first half of 20th century in general.

WW1
Spanish Flu (almost forgotten by history, much to our detriment)
Armenian Genocide
Greek genocide
Russian Civil War
Rise of Communism
Soviet Famine
Rise of Fascism
Spanish Civil War
WW2
Atomic Warfare
Holocaust
Bengal Famine
Division of Europe
Cold War
Middle East


And lets not get started on the next fifty years!!!

Nothing at all compared to the 14th century! About 1 in 3 dead from the Plague

The_Valeyard

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Nothing at all compared to the 14th century! About 1 in 3 dead from the Plague

Maybe someone should do a counting job on deaths

Maximus Alexander

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Maybe someone should do a counting job on deaths

Quick bit of Wikipedia, death toll for the Black Death estimated at between 75-200 million. Let's call it 200 million.

Spanish Flu: 50-100 million, let's split the difference at 75 million.
World War I: 22-23 million, call it 22.5 million.
World War 2: 60-85 million, call it 72.5 million.
Russian Civil War: ~4.5 million.
Greek & Armenian Genocides: ~2 million.
Rise of Communism: ~92.5 million.
Soviet Famine: ~7 million.
Spanish Civil War: ~2 million.
Bengal Famine: ~3 million.
Iraq War & War on Terror: ~0.5 million.

Total: > 280 million. Jesus...

Leaving out Holocaust and Rise of Fascism because it would be difficult to disentangle from WWII figures, also leaving out Cold War because it would take too long to compile. I would also caveat the the Rise of Communism figure may have some overlap with WWII.

Even using aggressive figures for the Black Death, it doesn't approach the first have of the 20th century which was not a happy time.

kowloon

Qualitymark wrote: »

OP, look at the basis for conflict in each of the atrocity-laden hellholes you cite: enormous amounts of arms supplied by gleefully-hands-rubbing companies, conflict over ownership of land, eugenicist nonsense about who should be entitled to live in a particular spot, woo-woo religious mania…
And oil. I pray daily to my non-sectarian, non-religious God for some clever person to invent, quick-smart, a replacement for the internal combustion engine that's cheap and easily made by everyone and runs on something in huge universal supply like sun or seawater.

And there's all the other stuff we need replacements for.

wow sierra

What I find so depressing is that we know all these things are going on and are powerless to stop them. In the old days there was a sense in war torn regions that if you could somehow get the story out to the International media that somehow someone would intervene or the perpretrators would be shamed into behaving better.

Israel seems like a modern democracy where if you are Israeli your life is probably pretty good with personal freedom and rights etc. We are not talking some extremist dictatorship with no international profile. And yet they can commit murder against innocent children in the glare of media attention and apparently think they are justified - 700 dead, 4000 injured, cutting off power supply to hospitals etc etc. The point that they are not trying to hide it in any way - its not like the US and their secret rendition flights or CIA intervention or arming despots etc . At least they pretend to have a degree of separation.

And it's not just the Gaza situation - think of all the situation in Brazil or Quatar that we are all watching just because of World Cup, or do we wonder how things are in Haiti now. Investigative journalism is pointless now because there is such powerlessness even when the evidence is there.

Anyway as someone said maybe I should turn off the news and go to the beach

Harry Palmr

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Quick bit of Wikipedia, death toll for the Black Death estimated at between 75-200 million. Let's call it 200 million.

Spanish Flu: 50-100 million, let's split the difference at 75 million.
World War I: 22-23 million, call it 22.5 million.
World War 2: 60-85 million, call it 72.5 million.
Russian Civil War: ~4.5 million.
Greek & Armenian Genocides: ~2 million.
Rise of Communism: ~92.5 million.
Soviet Famine: ~7 million.
Spanish Civil War: ~2 million.
Bengal Famine: ~3 million.
Iraq War & War on Terror: ~0.5 million.

Total: > 280 million. Jesus...

Leaving out Holocaust and Rise of Fascism because it would be difficult to disentangle from WWII figures, also leaving out Cold War because it would take too long to compile. I would also caveat the the Rise of Communism figure may have some overlap with WWII.

Even using aggressive figures for the Black Death, it doesn't approach the first have of the 20th century which was not a happy time.

Ah but the death rate is still much lower. Average population about 2.5 billion v average population of about 0.5 billion.

The Diabolical Monocle

The secret is to avoid all bullsht.


Also obtain ass at the same time if you can.

But dont make a baby from said ass - as thats more bullsht.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

eviltimeban wrote: »

Not getting the point of "recent years".

Define "recent years" - things were pritty ****ed up in the early 40s.

Frank Lee Midere

Things have gone to hell since Garth Brooks didn't burn the bond holders.

eviltimeban

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Define "recent years" - things were pritty ****ed up in the early 40s.

A decade or so.

thelad95

eviltimeban wrote: »

*edit: recent years.

Syria (ongoing).

Girls gang raped and killed in India, and kidnapped in Nigeria.

MH370 goes missing (presumed crashed).

Gaza conflict.

MH17 shot down.

Taipei plane crash yesterday.

Society is at its most civilised and technologically advanced stage it has ever been. Due to a chemical called testosterone, their will always be wars and whatnot but the world is in a far from perfect but good state compared to say Jesus' time or the Middle Ages.

ScumLord

eviltimeban wrote: »

Gaza conflict.

Even this conflict pales in comparison to the stuff that has happened on that peice of land. The whole region has been a hot bed of conflict for as long as people have lived there.

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

As long as there have been people in the world, it's been pretty ****ed up. But it's still better than the alternative.

Before people the concepts of compassion and empathy didn't even exist. We brought these standards into the world. Most other animals are bastards and if they had our power would cripple the world through sheer selfishness.

wow sierra wrote: »

And it's not just the Gaza situation - think of all the situation in Brazil or Quatar that we are all watching just because of World Cup,

South America would be another example of an area that's had it much worse in the past. Imagine going to mass and seeing someone having their heart cut out and beheaded instead of communion.

Tail Docker

It's even worse than that - everyone born before 1897 is now dead. Everyone. And of those born in 1920 or earlier, there are few survivors. That's a lot of dead people and a lot of ways to die. It's a cruel world, always was.

Capt'n Midnight

It's the best of times to be alive.

Most people have mobile phones

Electronic gadgets and gizmos have never been cheaper

The Second Congo War is over , it was triggered by the unpleasantness in Rwanda and between Rwanda, Burundi, Uganda and Congo there were up to 7 million excess deaths from 1994-2008, though there is still some agro in Kivu

We are on the cusp of eradicating Polio forever,

Though measles , mumps, whooping cough and other preventable diseases are on the rise because of extremely short-sighted selfishness. Not vaccinating this generation guarantees that future generations will need to be vaccinated.



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